Salisbury GOES OFF on this weekend's offciating

[ClosingTime]

You all have to stop complaining about the officiating in the Denver game. There is still no visual evidence to overturn Bailey's fumble.
On the PI call, Samuel cut off the receivers' path, which is illegal. The only reason it looked bad is Samuel did a good job of selling it by looking back for the ball but he wasn't going for the ball and he still cut the guy off. That's my opinion but at most it is a debatable call, not a clearly wrong call like others over the weekend.

 

[emoney_33]

fleabit... yea the bailey fumble was different. There wasn't any angles that could give the refs 100% proof that it was a touchback. But that PI call was absolutely horrible, no matter how you slice it. it was textbook great coverage by Samuel and if anything it was PI on lelie who was pushing Samuel. Colvin was on sports final last night and said they asked the refs about it and the ref that threw the flag said he asked the other judge if samuel looked for the ball and he said no he didn't. Basically covering up.

This was absolutely one of the worst PI calls I have ever seen. The side judge, 5 feet from the play didn't throw the flag.



All in all, the league needs to do something about this. In a game where one play can change the game so dramatically, in a playoff atmosphere where you lose you go home they need to have GREAT officiating. They need to be held accountable for this crap.

 

[emoney_33]

You all have to stop complaining about the officiating in the Denver game. There is still no visual evidence to overturn Bailey's fumble.
On the PI call, Samuel cut off the receivers' path, which is illegal. The only reason it looked bad is Samuel did a good job of selling it by looking back for the ball but he wasn't going for the ball and he still cut the guy off. That's my opinion but at most it is a debatable call, not a clearly wrong call like others over the weekend.

sorry but no. That was clearly, absolutely not pass interference. You can try to change it around all you want, but it is actually fact that there was no interference by Samuel there.


The ball was unplayable, Lelie PUSHED samuel, samuel was playing the ball. The side judge knew it was clean, too bad he couldnt' stand up to his colleague who threw the late flag.

 

[DaBruinz]

The rule is that you need to have possession, two feet down, and make a foot ball move before losing the ball. If you catch the ball as going to the ground, the rule is that you have to retain possession as you hit the ground. The refs rule sorta makes sense under this, as he explained, that Polamalu lost the ball as he was still "down" (his knee was down), so he didn't retain possession when he was on the ground.

Another horrendous call (actually two) IMO was in the Carolina-Bears game, when Steve Smith should have been called for illegal contact on his two long touchdown plays. On the first one, the cornerback had fine position, was facing towards the endzone, running with Smith, and Smith hit the cornerback from behind, just plowing right through him, knocking him down, to get a free shot at the ball. That's offensive pass interference, plain and simple. But, they called it on the cornerback (illegal contact). Sure, they made contact - Smith's hands touching the CB's back! Apparently, the rules are now interpreted that if there's ANY contact between the CB and WR, it's gotta be defensive pass interference, even if it's the WR pushing the CB (same as the Samuel play). Pathetic. Smith did that twice, and they didn't call him either time - giving Carolina that game.


IMO pass interference should definitely be reviewable.

Big-Mike -
When I first saw the play, I too thought that Steve Smith was at fault on the 1st TD. However, during the replay, it clearly showed that Tillman moved directly into Smith's path and there was nothing for Smith to do about it other than to run through Tillamn. The rule clearly states that a defender can not impede the progress of the reciever after the 5 yards. Tillman clearly did so, though he did a great acting job to try and get the call on Smith.

I didn't see the 2nd play, but if it was anything like the first, that is why Smith "got away with it" as you put it.

 

[primetime]

On the PI call, Samuel cut off the receivers' path, which is illegal. The only reason it looked bad is Samuel did a good job of selling it by looking back for the ball but he wasn't going for the ball and he still cut the guy off. That's my opinion but at most it is a debatable call, not a clearly wrong call like others over the weekend.

It's not illegal to cut off the receiver's path, especially if the receiver never makes an effort to go after the ball. He was running a fly, Samuel had perfect position, and Samuel was going to attempt to go for the ball but he was held in by Lelie. It was offensive pass interference, if anything. I can name a few objective viewers who said it was a terrible call. Can you name any that say it wasn't?

 

[DaBruinz]

Folks, I'll admit that there were some horrible calls.

But I will refuse to admit that those 2 calls (pass interference, Bailey's fumble) necessarily cost us the game.

But if I was an official today, I'd still be embarrassed by some questionable calls this weekend... Polamalu's INT was definetly the worst of them.

Do you admit that the Pass Interference call, had it been called correctly, would have changed the face of the game? Answer honestly.

 

[DaBruinz]

He didn't spear Hobbs, he speared the ball. That happens all the time, and is not illegal. They mostly only call spearing on hits on QBs anyway.

Umm.. Leading with the crown of your helmet is illegal. And that is what Sauerbrun did.

 

[DaBruinz]

You all have to stop complaining about the officiating in the Denver game. There is still no visual evidence to overturn Bailey's fumble.
On the PI call, Samuel cut off the receivers' path, which is illegal. The only reason it looked bad is Samuel did a good job of selling it by looking back for the ball but he wasn't going for the ball and he still cut the guy off. That's my opinion but at most it is a debatable call, not a clearly wrong call like others over the weekend.

Closing Time
You just fell into the category of LIAR. Samuel didn't cut off Lelie's route. Are you stupid? Did you even WATCH the game? Samuel and Lelie were neck and neck. Samuel had his head turned looking for the ball and was attempting to go for it.

It was CLEARLY a wrong call and I wouldn't expect a Steelers' homer to agree. Especially when he's shown clear disdain for the Patriots in just about every post.

 

[Doonan24]

while killing the refs for their piss poor efforts this weekend, don't forget the play in the pitt-indy game where all the sudden indy was offsides and the refs just blew the whistle, talked it over, and decided there was no false start or offsides so they just had a do-over. that pretty much summed up the officiating this weekend.

 

[CheerforTom]

You all have to stop complaining about the officiating in the Denver game. There is still no visual evidence to overturn Bailey's fumble.
On the PI call, Samuel cut off the receivers' path, which is illegal. The only reason it looked bad is Samuel did a good job of selling it by looking back for the ball but he wasn't going for the ball and he still cut the guy off. That's my opinion but at most it is a debatable call, not a clearly wrong call like others over the weekend.

It was definately not defensive pass interference. The wrong ref called it 5 seconds after the play, even without the obvious evidence. If nothing had been called, the call still would have been questionable because of the potential offensive pass interference.

However, I think we do all have to get over it. There was bad officiating, it definately shaped the game, but if we (NE) played like champions we would been saying how great of a win it was despite bad reffing.

 

[ClosingTime]

It's not illegal to cut off the receiver's path

Yes it is. And Samuel did. The late flag made it look bad.
But let's say it's borderline. You all are acting like you were robbed of a game when you turned the ball over 5 times and the score was not that close.
You want to say that was a turning point? Only because the Pats didn't make any other positive plays.

 

[DaBruinz]

Yes it is. And Samuel did. The late flag made it look bad.
But let's say it's borderline. You all are acting like you were robbed of a game when you turned the ball over 5 times and the score was not that close.
You want to say that was a turning point? Only because the Pats didn't make any other positive plays.

See, that is what you seem to be failing to comprehend. 4 of the 5 turnovers wouldn't necessarily have occured had the PI been called correctly. And you don't have a clue as to what happened. Samuel didn't cut off Lelie on that route. But far be it from you to know what you are talking about.

 

[dante828]

Can we please remember that the PI call was not the only bad call in the Denver game. Denver fans seem to neglect the fact that they were offsides during the last field goal in the first half. They forget that Bailey was not called for grabbing and pulling at Davis's facemask on Brady's first long completion. Combine those with the PI and those are three blown calls against the Pats, not one, and all had a significant effect on the game, there is no reason to pretend like they didn't.

As for the fumble, it could have gone either way, and if the refs ruled a touchback, it would not have been reversed, shame on the NFL for not having the right angles for the call. I do not care about this call per se, but combined in context with the other calls, the immediate call in Denver's favor makes it suspect to me. Suspect, not necessarily wrong.

With that said, Pats still should have overcome these errors, they have in the past but did not today. The Steelers overcame the absolute screw job the refs did on them, as great teams should. Pats did not play great in Denver.

So, refs had a sunstantial negative affect on game, but the Pats failed to overcome, so the ultimate blame for the loss is on them. I haven't seen any Pats fan suggest otherwise.

 

[ClosingTime]

Closing Time
You just fell into the category of LIAR. Samuel didn't cut off Lelie's route.

Since you've been calling me a liar for months now I don't see how I just fell into this category.
Watch the play again,m Samuel did cut off his route. I agree that the refs usually let that slide but it is illegal.

It was CLEARLY a wrong call and I wouldn't expect a Steelers' homer to agree. Especially when he's shown clear disdain for the Patriots in just about every post.

I was one of the most positive voices on this board at midseason when most here had their panties in a bunch talking about missing the playoffs with no regard for the upcoming schedule of creampuffs and a horrible divisional opponents. So put that in pipe and smoke it.

 

[The Gr8est]

Yes it is. And Samuel did. The late flag made it look bad.
But let's say it's borderline. You all are acting like you were robbed of a game when you turned the ball over 5 times and the score was not that close.
You want to say that was a turning point? Only because the Pats didn't make any other positive plays.

At the time the Pats had had only one turnover and had the lead after digging themselves out of the field position hole thy had been in all game.

After the TD the Pats fumbled the next KO and BB called time out to get the team re-focused.

It is not much of a stretch at all to call it a turning point.

 

[ClosingTime]

See, that is what you seem to be failing to comprehend. 4 of the 5 turnovers wouldn't necessarily have occured had the PI been called correctly.

Wow. That post just qualified as the dumbest thing ever said on this messageboard. Kudos to you for reaching new depths.

 

[ClosingTime]

Did the Pats play well enough to win?
Did they deserve to win?

If you answer yes, then you have a right to complain about close calls. If not, just be a man and accept it.

 

[dante828]

Closing Time, please. The Denver player never, not once made a move toward the ball, Samuel had perfect position on Lelie without touching him. Contact was initiated by the Denver receiver when he realized he had absolutely no way to get the ball unless he pushed the Pats player out of the way. Even then, the Denver player never made significant movement to the ball because he knew he would have to mug Samuel to do it. That's Lelie's fault for running a bad route, and Plummers fault for throwing a bad pass, not Samuels for having good positioning. That is not a borderline call, it was a horrible one, made by a ref out of position to make the call, which you fail to recognize either. Still, maybe Pats should have done better job on the goal line instead of being stunned and letting him walk in. Pats could not overcome the ref errors, no one denies that. But that call was bad and affected the game, get over it.

 

[coltshater]

I just knew the new found love between Patriots and Steelers fans would not last.

 

[ClosingTime]

Ok, let's say it was a bad call (I don't agree but let's say it was). I just don't comprehend some of the outrage over it. Bad calls on PI happen all the time. In the Steelers-Colts game ta Colts DB tackled a Steelers WR while the ball was in the air. That call is not even debatable. The Samuel play is. So why the outrage? Because the Pats couldn't do anything else in the game.