Ryan Mallett trade speculation

[Ring 6]

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More highly regarded by who? One NFL GM thought he was worth a 1st. That is all you know. Your speculation that anybody thinks Tebow is more valuable right now is no more valid than that the Colts like Mallet. All it takes is for one team to like him.

Tebow was drafted in the 1st round. There were rumors that other teams were ready to take him shortly after.
Mallett was taken 83rd.
Those are facts.

Every other young QB taken in this draft was taken to start pretty much right away. Mallet was the only one taken to groom and hence the only one who might be available. If the Colts are looking for a young QB to groom right now, Ipso Facto, Ryan Mallet is the most likely one they could get.

There are other QBs in the league and there is a draft next year.

And again, I don't think it's going to happen but you're using the fact that people don't know how the Colts value Mallet as part of your argument when you don't know how they value him or any other available QB.

I am using that as a counter to the idea they would pay a 1st round pick for him. They would have to love him to death to give a #1 for a rookie drafted 83 before even ruling Manning out for the season, or knowing how he will recover from surgery, Why would they trade next years 1 for a guy they wouldnt draft in the 3rd, only to find out Manning will play next year? On top of all of that, what urgency do they have to trade away next years 1 without knowing if its #1 or #25 to get a guy they have to bring in and teach the system to before he can even play? It simply doesnt make sense unless they thought he was a can't miss all pro, and if they did, they would have drafted him.

It's speculation, people are speculating. It's easy to be Glum "We'll never make it" because 99% of the time you'll be right because less than 1% of speculation ever happens. Congratulate yourself later when you're right that all of these poor fools spent their Saturday night having some fun.

So now I'm only allowed to have opinions or attitudes that you approve?

 

[ausbacker]

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Umm, no it doesnt. It becomes about Mallett COMPARED TO OTHER OPTIONS.

I'd be interested to hear who the other options are, given it appears you know and the rest of us don't.

Excellent because based upon the opinions you spew, I hope you would disagree with me. It confirms to me that I am knowledgable.

I'm more than comfortable in that knowledge given you're easily one of the worst posters on the board and probably the worst moderator I've ever come across.

Naturally you manage to turn reasonable and topical dicussion into a pissing contests between two posters detracting from the initial point in service to your need to be universally loved and applauded for the big brave balls you like to tell us you have.

Your opinion about what you think I should do is meaningless to me.

Agreed, which is generally why you're held in such poor regard.

What was that about childish?

Sigh.

It isnt a 1% chance. What is ignorant is to think that if the Colts were entertaining trading their 1st round pcik the best thing they could get would be last years #83 pick. And further that they couldn't do any better with that pick in the draft next year.
I am really sorry that you do not understand the concept of value, but you are too arrogant to listen, so I really cant help you.

I'm well aware and have made mention so in posts. I don't disagree that the Colts have a plethora of options to them. I have repeatedly stated this in the thread. It proves to me that you DO NOT READ WHAT PEOPLE TYPE.

As I said, feel free to direct me to where you discussed this as being a 1% probablity. Otherwise (Please be quiet - edited) with the condescending attitude.

It's in the thread. Find it yourself.

To dumb it down for you because it appears that's how best to get through to you here is my position.

1. I am entertaining all discussion points about the Colts inquiring about Ryan Mallett and the subsequent twitter rumor.
2. I acknowledge the Colts have a plethora of options available to them at QB other than Ryan Mallett.
3. I acknowledge that a 2012 first round draft pick for Ryan Mallett is probably overspending and unlikely to occur.
4. I acknowledge that the Colts may have reconsidered their 2011 Draft strategy in regards to QB given the change in Peyton Manning's status had they known the severity of his neck problem at the time of drafting.

It's all in the thread and I am not repeating this again.

 

[Ring 6]

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I'd be interested to hear who the other options are, given it appears you know and the rest of us don't.

Check some NFL rosters.

I'm more than comfortable in that knowledge given you're easily one of the worst posters on the board and probably the worst moderator I've ever come across.

Again, coming from you I consider that a complement. I would be very concerned if you agreed with me.

Naturally you manage to turn reasonable and topical dicussion into a pissing contests between two posters detracting from the initial point in service to your need to be universally loved and applauded for the big brave balls you like to tell us you have.'

Right that was ME. You didn't respond to every post, and start with personal insults at all.

Agreed, which is generally why you're held in such poor regard.

Sure pal.

I'm well aware and have made mention so in posts. I don't disagree that the Colts have a plethora of options to them. I have repeatedly stated this in the thread. It proves to me that you DO NOT READ WHAT PEOPLE TYPE.


It's in the thread. Find it yourself.

Thanks for agreeing its not there.

To dumb it down for you because it appears that's how best to get through to you here is my position.

1. I am entertaining all discussion points about the Colts inquiring about Ryan Mallett and the subsequent twitter rumor.

Apparently not including the one that says a 1st round pick is much more than they would be wlling to give.

2. I acknowledge the Colts have a plethora of options available to them at QB other than Ryan Mallett.

You just asked me to list them above becuase you said you don't k now of any.

3. I acknowledge that a 2011 first round draft pick for Ryan Mallett is probably overspending and unlikely to occur.

Then why are you arguing the opposite?

4. I acknowledge that the Colts may have reconsidered their 2011 Draft strategy in regards to QB given the change in Peyton Manning's status had they known the severity of his neck problem at the time of drafting.

It's all in the thread and I am not repeating this again.

However, you said that you are arguing that it is only a 1% possibility, and you just contradicted that.

It is pointless to have a discussion with you because your only tool is to throw out personal insults.
It really illustrates a lack of intelligence.

 

[ausbacker]

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Check some NFL rosters.



Again, coming from you I consider that a complement. I would be very concerned if you agreed with me.


Right that was ME. You didn't respond to every post, and start with personal insults at all.



Sure pal.







Thanks for agreeing its not there.


Apparently not including the one that says a 1st round pick is much more than they would be wlling to give.


You just asked me to list them above becuase you said you don't k now of any.


Then why are you arguing the opposite?




However, you said that you are arguing that it is only a 1% possibility, and you just contradicted that.

It is pointless to have a discussion with you because your only tool is to throw out personal insults.
It really illustrates a lack of intelligence.

I've made my position abundantly clear which leaves me with one option.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

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Wow some of you are making yourselves look foolish. A first rounder for him? Are you out of your mind?

I would guess we'd even take a high 3rd... don't really see the need for him, mainly because I don't believe we're looking for a "successor" yet. In which case, Hoyer is much more valuable for the fill-in role should Brady ever go down.

Trading him for a high 3rd is no less ludicrous in its own way than the notion of trading him for a first is. . . . You'd be taking a significant cap hit just to trade a 2011 3 for a 2012 3.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

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1.) As has been discussed many times, the Patriots could have gotten a first for Cassel.

Supposedly that offer never reached Denver's owner, so it was vaporware.

In any case, remember that it was Cassel and his $14.6M franchise tag + Vrabel for a second; Mallett would still be on his rookie deal, which, per the new CBA, cannot be renegotiated until the end of his third year.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

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Tebow was drafted in the 1st round. . . .
Mallett was taken 83rd.
Those are facts.

Well, one of those is a fact, but one is wrong. Mallett was taken #74.

And as for why the Colts didn't draft him, don't forget Bob Kravitz's delusional thinking re: Manning's "invincibility."

 

[captain stone]

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I'm thinking I'd call Bill Belichick.

If NaPolian ever made that call to Bill, I would absolutely love to eavesdrop on it.

 

[captain stone]

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Andrew Luck=The 2012 Drafts Jake Locker.

That's a mighty bold statement.

 

[102 Pat]

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Maybe BB leaked the info to that twitter account thru MyFace...:bricks:

 

[Snake Eyes]

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It isnt a 1% chance. What is ignorant is to think that if the Colts were entertaining trading their 1st round pcik the best thing they could get would be last years #83 pick. And further that they couldn't do any better with that pick in the draft next year.

I am really sorry that you do not understand the concept of value, but you are too arrogant to listen, so I really cant help you.

Where Mallett was drafted isn't relevant now, the situation that existed at the time of the draft no longer exists. It seems pretty obvious that Indy didnt have a good succession plan in place, that need has now become glaringly obvious. What reason is there to put off addressing that need?

At the time of the draft it seems Indy thought Manning was a lock, so why spend a 1st or 2nd on a replacement for him when you can put O-linemen around him?

Since the draft Mallett has not been arrested for crack possession of crack nor has he been missing practices to cut a record with Eminem, but rather he's been under the watch of BB and by all accounts has been a model citizen, so the character concerns surrounding him during the draft are likely less now.

He's also shown competence playing at the pro-level, which is more than you'd get drafting a kid right out of college. Teams spend 1st round picks on college QBs all the time, why would it be overpaying to spend a future pick on one a few months removed from college?

 

[patsfan-1982]

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Mallett is not better Kerry Collins right now so i dont see that happening

 

[MoLewisrocks]

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If anyone is going,it would be Hoyer.......and that's a huge longshot in itself

Considering who he'd be replacing, Mallett would make a lot more sense.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

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Would the pats even trade with the colts? Too early to deal mallet wait a year or two and he ll be looking a lot better. Hoyer on the other hand...

If you could get a 2012 #1 for Mallett now before a. investing more time and effort in teaching him this system and b. finding out he potentially isn't a fit you'd be silly not to. A 2012 #1 for Mallett that will likely be in the top 10 would be worth exponentially more than a #1 and a #1 say in 2013...if you could even anticipate him projecting to create (as Brady's backup) the kind of buzz he'd have to be generating by then to warrant that kind of potential value.

For Indy to invest a 2012 first or second round pick in a QB he will have to project as someone who could theoretically replace Manning. Hoyer doesn't project as that. Mallett potentially could. And that's not even a knock on Hoyer, it simply is what it is. Hoyer projects as a potential replacement for someone who never panned out on a team otherwise build to win if they just had a competent guy at the position.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

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The Patriots already have 2 first round picks next year. If the Colts were to offer their first for Mallett, I'd suggest we all help him get out of town.

Package the picks, plus anything else needed, for the #1 overall. Get Luck (assuming his play continues to back up the accolades). Let him learn behind Brady.




Win

I'd deliver him to the airport. Although I wouldn't then squander that kind of value chasing Luck...

 

[MoLewisrocks]

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Why would the Colts want Mallet for this year????? He wouldn't be able to grasp their system as quickly as a vet like Kerry Collins. If they trade with the Pats for a QB it would be for Hoyer. Mallet is still learning how to brush his teeth in the big leagues.

Mallett projects with a higher ceiling and a skillset that would make him a better fit for what Indy does. They wouldn't be trading for either to salvage this season, they'd be looking for someone who might be ready to become that guy if Manning doesn't return or last much longer...

 

[MoLewisrocks]

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It's basically just transition tag money, as I recall, with it being the average of the top 10 rather than the franchise money of it being top 5.

It will still be a figure in the low to possibly mid teens considering Brees and Rogers and possibly a few others will have signed new megadeals by 2014 (the year in question). No way Belichick backs himself into that kind of corner preemptively...

 

[everlong]

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There's a million reasons why this would never happen but I'll pick one, pride. If he were to do this Polian would basically be admitting that he screwed up so badly by not having a plan b that he had to trade a first to his own personal devil to make up for it.

If it were true I'd pay for pay per view to hear the conversations between the Bill's to get this done. NFL Network could pimp that harder than the upcoming special on BB.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

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With the new price tags for high picks, they could carry Luck for as long as they wanted to. As for Mr. Luck's desires, well, someone can have him become buddies with Steve Young to help him through the process.

The cap is predicted to remain relatively flat until 2014, so no, they couldn't. Not the way Bill manages roster and cap...

 

[MoLewisrocks]

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What does that have to do with what they think about Mallett?
If they were willing to give next years #1, which they know could well be a top 10 pick for Mallett today, surely they would have spent a 3rd on him in April. Mallett isnt a better prospect because Manning is hurt.

For a team as screwed as the Colts may well be, sure he is. Situational (business of) football 101...