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Going by Miguel's computations: if we use the June 1st designation, here are the savings:

His 2014 cap number would then drop from $4.575m to $1.2million ($1.2 million signing bonus proration) – net cap savings in 2014 of around $2.88 million.

His 2015 cap number would go from $5.575 million to $3.6 million. So that's another 1.975 in savings in 2015.

So for TWO YEARS of service, the extra money for DA would be 2.88+1.975=4.855 million, or 2.427 per year. JE would cost a LOT more than that to begin an equivalent contract now.

2.4/year for Amendola? Hells yes. He was the number 2 receiver on the team last year, despite missing four games (and a good part of a fifth with the concussion). He had the same targets/snap % as our top receiver, and was on par with reception %, ypc, and every other metric.

Regarding that Saints game, go and take a good look at Welker's production right after he got KO'd with his concussion - you'll see a pattern there. That 10/6 game was Amendola's first game back, and it's right on course for WRs stepping back in after getting KO'd.

Go around the league and see what $2.4 million will buy you in terms of veteran receivers. You're below Jason Avant territory. Amendola's upside is WAY above that, other than the injuries, just as we all thought JE's upside was way above what he had shown previous to last year, other than the injuries.

And I go back to this: the Pats got Corey Dillon on the cheap because he had a bad year because he played on a torn groin. Do you see the irony here of now selling low?

Judging by the reactions of New England sports media and many fans on these boards, Talib was right to stay out in the AFCCG...had he come back in and gotten lit up by Demarius Thomas as he struggled with his injury, he'd be a bum who couldn't be shipped out of town fast enough.

Your math is off though.

You take the $4.8 million remaining from his signing bonus and just put that to the side because it is already sunk. If you keep Amendola for 2014 he receives $3M as a base, and $375K for a roster bonus, then in 2015 he receives a base of $4M and $375K for a roster bonus. New money spent to retain Amendola for two more seasons is $7.75M on top of the $4.8M remaining for his signing bonus. The gap is that you are not accounting for the $2M of his 2014 base that is guaranteed after 4pm on March 11.
 
Your math is off though.

You take the $4.8 million remaining from his signing bonus and just put that to the side because it is already sunk. If you keep Amendola for 2014 he receives $3M as a base, and $375K for a roster bonus, then in 2015 he receives a base of $4M and $375K for a roster bonus. New money spent to retain Amendola for two more seasons is $7.75M on top of the $4.8M remaining for his signing bonus. The gap is that you are not accounting for the $2M of his 2014 base that is guaranteed after 4pm on March 11.

The numbers are a quote from Miguel's page.

MIGUEL: "His 2014 cap number would then drop from $4.575m to $1.2million ($1.2 million signing bonus proration) – net cap savings in 2014 of around $2.88 million.

His 2015 cap number would go from $5.575 million to $3.6 million."

So I'm not sure where the rest of your money is coming from. But even saying you're correct, you're talking 3.8/year for a veteran receiver, and again, go out there and see what you can get for that kind of money - because if the Pats lose either Edelman or Amendola, they are really thin without a replacement (and if it's Amendola, they're going to spend an extra 2.4 on JE for those two years if he gets exactly Amendola money, right?.
 
The numbers are a quote from Miguel's page.

MIGUEL: "His 2014 cap number would then drop from $4.575m to $1.2million ($1.2 million signing bonus proration) – net cap savings in 2014 of around $2.88 million.

His 2015 cap number would go from $5.575 million to $3.6 million."

So I'm not sure where the rest of your money is coming from. But even saying you're correct, you're talking 3.8/year for a veteran receiver, and again, go out there and see what you can get for that kind of money - because if the Pats lose either Edelman or Amendola, they are really thin without a replacement (and if it's Amendola, they're going to spend an extra 2.4 on JE for those two years if he gets exactly Amendola money, right?.

Because if you do what Miguel is suggesting you save the $2M salary that is guaranteed if he is not released prior to March 11, and you also save the $375K roster bonus for 2014 and then again in 2015. That is $2.75M.

$3.8 million for a third or fourth receiver, consider that we paid $765K for Edelman to serve that same role last season. We would be spending $3.1M more than we did in 2013.
 
Because if you do what Miguel is suggesting you save the $2M salary that is guaranteed if he is not released prior to March 11, and you also save the $375K roster bonus for 2014 and then again in 2015. That is $2.75M.

Wait, what? Where is that listed? The NET CAP savings are listed by Miguel - 2.88 for 2014 is spelled out clearly. And next year's cap hit goes from 5.75 to 3.6. He shows no other saving - and this is his best-case saving scenario. like I said, that is a direct quote from his analysis of the Amendola options.

Danny Amendola ? Cap Scenarios atriots Salary Cap

We're not reading the same information, it seems...by Miguel's scenarios, the BEST savings I can see are the one's I outlined. We could get his cap hit next year to 0, but we'd eat the entire 4.8 this year.

$3.8 million for a third or fourth receiver, consider that we paid $765K for Edelman to serve that same role last season. We would be spending $3.1M more than we did in 2013.

Edelman last year was ridiculous value, we can both agree. If you think you're going to replace those catches and yard sfor anywhere near that kind of money, you're really hoping for lightning to hit the same place twice.

And where do you see him as the 3rd or 4th receiver on this team? He was second last year, despite the injuries/playing hurt.

Gronk is not a WR.
 
Wait, what? Where is that listed? The NET CAP savings are listed by Miguel - 2.88 for 2014 is spelled out clearly. And next year's cap hit goes from 5.75 to 3.6. He shows no other saving - and this is his best-case saving scenario. like I said, that is a direct quote from his analysis of the Amendola options.

Danny Amendola ? Cap Scenarios atriots Salary Cap

We're not reading the same information, it seems...by Miguel's scenarios, the BEST savings I can see are the one's I outlined. We could get his cap hit next year to 0, but we'd eat the entire 4.8 this year.

This is the money you are missing (see below), if they cut him prior to March 11 the $2 million of his salary that is guaranteed and his $375k roster bonus are voided.

When Danny Amendola was signed to his current contract in March, 2013 it was widely reported that he received $10 million in guaranteed money and that 2 million of his 3 million 2014 salary was fully guaranteed. The Boston Globe’s Ben Volin reported that the “$2 million of his (Amendola’s) $3 million base salary in 2014 becomes guaranteed if he’s on the roster at 4 p.m. on March 11 which would mean that the Pats could take steps to avoid making the two million fully guaranteed.

Edelman last year was ridiculous value, we can both agree. If you think you're going to replace those catches and yard sfor anywhere near that kind of money, you're really hoping for lightning to hit the same place twice.

It should have never come to that for Edelman, had Amendola been healthy and contributing he would have remained in the role that he held in 2012 as a third or fourth receiver. If Amendola cut because the team intends to invest in Edelman long term than at the end of the day, Amendola has nobody to blame but himself, his groin injury and inconsistent play that opened the door for Edelman. I am not trying to sound like a ****, it was bad luck that he suffered the injury; I am not blind to that.


And where do you see him as the 3rd or 4th receiver on this team? He was second last year, despite the injuries/playing hurt.

He was not the #2 wide receiver last year unless injuries forced us to use him. He was the #3 wide receiver, it was Dobson at the X-WR spot, and Edelman Y-WR spot, when we moved to a three wide set Edelman slid out to the Z-WR and Amendola came in and played the Y-WR. He was not the #2 wide receiver and if things go as planned this offseason we will likely be looking at –

X-WR – Dobson
Y-WR – Edelman
Y-TE – Gronkowski
F-TE – Rookie/UFA
RB – Vereen

Amendola would be in the mix with Boyce, Thompkins, and any other receivers we add in UFA or the draft to be the #3 receiver.
 
He was not the #2 wide receiver last year unless injuries forced us to use him. He was the #3 wide receiver, it was Dobson at the X-WR spot, and Edelman Y-WR spot, when we moved to a three wide set Edelman slid out to the Z-WR and Amendola came in and played the Y-WR. He was not the #2 wide receiver and if things go as planned this offseason we will likely be looking at –

X-WR – Dobson
Y-WR – Edelman
Y-TE – Gronkowski
F-TE – Rookie/UFA
RB – Vereen

Amendola would be in the mix with Boyce, Thompkins, and any other receivers we add in UFA or the draft to be the #3 receiver.

For the record, Julian Edelman was the one who was playing the outside receiver 50.5% of the time, and Danny Amendola was playing in the slot much more than Edelman. I believe it was around 3/4+ of all his snaps. He wasn't in the slot as much as Wes Welker was in DEN at 84%, but it was certainly up there.

The main difference of course, is that Edelman played in 2x as many snaps as Danny Amendola. Because he played 2x as many reps as Amendola, he also saw 2x as many targets, with 2x as many catches.

We don't really know who would be the WR1 or the WR3, and although your prediction is certainly reasonable, it will all depend on certain variables such as Amendola/Edelman's health, etc.
 
And where do you see him as the 3rd or 4th receiver on this team? He was second last year, despite the injuries/playing hurt.

Gronk is not a WR.

I have no idea why it would be assumed that Amendola would suddenly go down to 3rd or 4th WR. Obviously, the health of Edelman (just as shaky as Amendola) seems to be overlooked in many of these exercises, and that will go a long way towards determining things--just the same as the health of Amendola. The truth is that we don't know who will be WR1--WR3, but the reality is that it doesn't matter as long as the production is better.

Vereen isn't a WR either. It's nice to include both he and Gronk, but if we're speaking of the pure WR corps, which needs to be improved significantly from 2013, than we should leave both he and Gronk out of these examples.
 
For the record, Julian Edelman was the one who was playing the outside receiver 50.5% of the time, and Danny Amendola was playing in the slot much more than Edelman. I believe it was around 3/4+ of all his snaps. He wasn't in the slot as much as Wes Welker was in DEN at 84%, but it was certainly up there.

The main difference of course, is that Edelman played in 2x as many snaps as Danny Amendola. Because he played 2x as many reps as Amendola, he also saw 2x as many targets, with 2x as many catches.

We don't really know who would be the WR1 or the WR3, and although your prediction is certainly reasonable, it will all depend on certain variables such as Amendola/Edelman's health, etc.

I am aware, as I said in the previous post the base offense was –

X-WR – Dobson
Y-WR – Edelman

When they went to a three wide receiver set Edelman slid out to the Z-WR or SE-WR, which looked like this –

X-WR – Dobson
Z-WR – Edelman
Y-WR – Amendola

Edelman is better outside, so they moved him outside but that was to accommodate Amendola.
 
I have no idea why it would be assumed that Amendola would suddenly go down to 3rd or 4th WR. Obviously, the health of Edelman (just as shaky as Amendola) seems to be overlooked in many of these exercises, and that will go a long way towards determining things--just the same as the health of Amendola. The truth is that we don't know who will be WR1--WR3, but the reality is that it doesn't matter as long as the production is better.

Vereen isn't a WR either. It's nice to include both he and Gronk, but if we're speaking of the pure WR corps, which needs to be improved significantly from 2013, than we should leave both he and Gronk out of these examples.

How is the health of Edelman just as shaky? He missed time in 2012 missing 7 games, in his other 4 seasons he missed 9 games, 5 of them were in his rookie season and those could have been inactive coaches decision. 2009, 2010, 2011 Edelman was a sixth WR and ST player, if he was not on the 46-man game day roster it could have been for several reason, and the level at which they will use a player with an injury is certainly less when they are bottom of the roster players. All totaled Edelman has played in 80% games in his career, Amendola has played in 67.5%.

As far as being a third WR that is what he was in the games that Dobson or Thompkins were healthy for. The team used one of the rookies at the X-WR and Edelman at Y-WR, Amendola came in only in three receiver sets.
 
How is the health of Edelman just as shaky?

The truth is that both Edelman and Amendola have had injury concerns. I didn't think that was up for debate in the least.
 
As far as being a third WR that is what he was in the games that Dobson or Thompkins were healthy for. The team used one of the rookies at the X-WR and Edelman at Y-WR, Amendola came in only in three receiver sets.

Okay, so now you're claiming that Amendola went down in the depth chart due to Thompkins--a guy who caught a total of 11 passes from mid-October on? Wow...

Do you think that may have had anything to do with Belichick and the team trying to properly manage Amendola's injury for the duration of the season by helping to limit his reps?

Obviously you don't have to be a genius to realize that they paid Amendola good money to be heavily involved in the offense, and that his week 1 injury changed their plans.

EDIT: That sounds a bit harsher than I intended it to come off. I suppose the reality is that none of us truly know one way or another, but I'd be pretty surprised if they chose to pay Amendola almost 6m AAV, so that he'd be their 3rd WR and 4th or 5th overall option when you include Gronkowski and Vereen as well.
 
We sure do spend a whole lot of time pretending that Amendola is not going to be on the Patriots next season.
 
We sure do spend a whole lot of time pretending that Amendola is not going to be on the Patriots next season.

 
Okay, so now you're claiming that Amendola went down in the depth chart due to Thompkins--a guy who caught a total of 11 passes from mid-October on? Wow...

The Patriots used Dobson at the X-WR and Edelman at the Y-WR, when Dobson was out due to a foot injury it was Thompkins who replaced him at the X-WR. This made Amendola the #3 WR. Was he the #3 target maybe not but he was the #3 receiver because he was the third to enter.

I am not disputing that Amendola WAS a big part of the Patriots plans coming into week one, I am suggesting that those plans may have changed and the groin injury could be secondary. Look at the big picture, this contract was setup in a way that Amendola’s health was a factor in his remaining with the team. This is how I see it –

- The Patriots sign a talented yet often injured player, structure his contract to give him an opportunity to prove that he can do the things it takes to remain healthy in the NFL. Amendola does not make it through two full quarters of a football game before he suffers a major injury.
- Amendola misses four of the next five games.
- Amendola returns to the lineup, at which time he had the opportunity to be #1 wide receiver again; he struggles to perform consistently and Edelman replaces him at halftime against the Broncos.

I could see if Amendola was signed without a history of injuries and this happen, or I could see if he had the history and it was a freak injury that occurred at mid-season that knocked him out, but realistically this player came in with these concerns and within 20 minutes of regular season football, he proved the concerns valid. I get that it was bad luck but it is what it is and I cannot see a reason to do it all over again in 2014 and add another $3.4 million on top of it.

In addition to that not that I think it was merited (because it was a difficult catch in my opinion) but I do think Brady lost trust in Amendola in the Dolphins game when he dropped the potential game winning touchdown at the end of the game. He had been targeted by Brady 77 times in 10 games (the 77th being the drop), Brady did not go back to Amendola after that pass targeting Edelman, Hoomanawanui and Collie on his final 3 passes, and Amendola was targeted just 12 times in the next 4 games. I could be reading into it too much but the pass Amendola did not make the catch on was his 14th target of that game, and to follow that up with 12 in the next 4 games played seems rather odd.

Do you think that may have had anything to do with Belichick and the team trying to properly manage Amendola's injury for the duration of the season by helping to limit his reps?

I think it had a lot to do with his productivity, when he was playing well he saw a higher number of snaps, when he was playing mediocre he played less.

Obviously you don't have to be a genius to realize that they paid Amendola good money to be heavily involved in the offense, and that his week 1 injury changed their plans.

He was a big part of their plans, but as I said, plans change. Last season Lloyd was targeted 33 times and had 22 receptions in his first 3 games and he was cut in the offseason, in 2011 Chad Johnson was targeted 14 times for 9 receptions in his first 5 games, and targeted 18 times for 6 receptions in his next 11 games.

EDIT: That sounds a bit harsher than I intended it to come off. I suppose the reality is that none of us truly know one way or another, but I'd be pretty surprised if they chose to pay Amendola almost 6m AAV, so that he'd be their 3rd WR and 4th or 5th overall option when you include Gronkowski and Vereen as well.

I did not take it personally, Sup, I got nothing but love for you brother!
 
We need a "Y" receiver. We need a slot receiver. IMHO, both Edelman and Amendola are fine slot receivers. We should note that the slot receiver could be Brady's #1 or #2 target as was the case when we had Welker.

In the next week, the team will try to re-sign Edelman. As has been said, this is the domino that has many effects. If Edelman has not agreed to a contract by March 11th, Amendola will be kept. If Edelman is signed, Amendola may still be kept, but the decision will be different than if Edelman is not signed.

My suspicion is that March 11th will come and go, and nothing will happen, meaning that Amendola will be our slot receiver for 2014.
 
We need a "Y" receiver. We need a slot receiver. IMHO, both Edelman and Amendola are fine slot receivers. We should note that the slot receiver could be Brady's #1 or #2 target as was the case when we had Welker.

In the next week, the team will try to re-sign Edelman. As has been said, this is the domino that has many effects. If Edelman has not agreed to a contract by March 11th, Amendola will be kept. If Edelman is signed, Amendola may still be kept, but the decision will be different than if Edelman is not signed.

My suspicion is that March 11th will come and go, and nothing will happen, meaning that Amendola will be our slot receiver for 2014.

That's a fair analysis, I think.
 
If this article is accurate the Amendola being cut rumors are most likely nothing but just that rumors that will never happen.

According to Breer, and upon further thought, "duh, that doesn't make sense." In order for a June 1st designation to come into play, Amendola has to be on the roster for the start of the 2014 season, or else the rules just wouldn't make sense. You can't just elect to spread money across multiple seasons if they're cut prior to the season's start.

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I think he deserves another year, we all saw how good he was vs Philly in the preseason(yeah preseason but still) and vs buffalo before his torn groin. Remember, last season was like the first time Edelman was healthy for an entire season.
 
Man I hope so......this guy will never stay healthy....let him ride someone else's injury report

If I take you back one year to the 2012-2013 season and you read this statement what player on the pats are we talking about? Think WR, think Julian Edelman. Just saying
 
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