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    That explains one conundrum I had - why the Pats take starting interior O linemen in the 4th round? Also show how highly they thought of Vincent Valentine - effectively a potential starter. I'll remember this video when I grade for next year. Thanks for posting.
     
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    I would also consider Toledo DT Treyvon Hester in the 5th-7th range. Had he been able to work out, he likely would've been generated more buzz over the past few weeks. At the minimum, he should be able to generate some disruption as a 3rd-down interior rusher; a rich man's Chris Jones, if you will.
     
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    Thanks for adding that name to the mix. I haven't gotten around to his tape, so I didn't want to comment. I try to be pretty thorough, if possible, but with so many players out there, I just can't make it to the entire list. I'll definitely make some time this week to watch him, though. Appreciate the tip!
     
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    Walker's motor runs hot n cold. Could be bc he's gassed but its inconsistent.

    Laterally he doesn't move like Flowers, across the line or to get backside.

    If he's beat he can't regroup like Flowers either.

    Last thing is I highly doubt he plays inside/out at the next level.

    Flowers is incredibly strong in his lower half and while I know that's where Walkers strength is as well, the play strength/natural strength isn't the same.

    It's why Flowers can hold up so well against the run/inside. People look at him and see a "lengthy" guy but his legs and core are just freakish strong.

    Also regarding his hands theres def a difference between the two. He has "active" hands but they don't help him disengage. If someone gets their hands on him, hes pretty much done.
     
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    Sure, he's got some growing to do as a player. I think all of those things can be taught. He was still incredibly productive despite his drawbacks, and I think he can learn and improve in the NFL. Compare 2014 tape of Flowers with 2016 tape of Walker. Ultimately, I think they end up going around the same spot: late 3rd / early 4th.

    Trey Flowers | Draft Breakdown

    DeMarcus Walker | Draft Breakdown

    Flowers is way better now than he was back in 2015, and I'm not sure many people predicted he'd be more than a developmental, rotational guy. Even the Patriots took Grissom first, and Flowers beat him out for a spot through hard work and dedication to his craft. The thing that stands out to me about both players is toughness and glowing reviews from the coaches: Fisher consistently goes out of his way to praise Walker as one of the hardest workers he's ever been around, and says that he will do absolutely anything that you ask him to do. He's a tough football player with plenty of growth potential.

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    Agree with you about Walker.

    The Flowers pick was actually one of the extremely rare times that BB picked one of my binkies. Seriously, it felt like hitting the lottery. IIRC, a lot of fans liked the Grissom pick better.

    Anyway, Grissom was selected at #97 and Flowers was selected at #101. The 24 hour delay between the picks seems to exaggerate the fact that the picks were in two different rounds, but the reality is they were only 4 slots apart.
     
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    You're not wrong. Shaq Mason, Devien Lucien (to a degree) and Hightower were mine. It's a great feeling.
     
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    Take a Wonderlic test online:

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    I forgot it was timed, and I'm still at work, so I ran out of time about 35 questions in, and it looks like I got 2 of them wrong (I'm more annoyed that I got some wrong than I am that I ran out of time). You're not supposed to use a calculator, or look anything up, etc. The system awards 1 point per correct answer, so under this test I scored a 33.

    I think with practice I could score in the 40s, but I'm so many years removed from test taking . . . my mind doesn't feel as quick as it used to, even if I know more than I did when I was in school. I can think more deeply and accurately than I did back then, but I'm not as well trained to regurgitate answers. Interesting how life changes.
     
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    I took one of those sample Wonderlic test a couple years back. It was a version in which you could scroll through all the questions first instead of taking them one at a time in order. That allowed me to pick off the easy ones quickly and then spend more time on those that I had to think about (standard test-taking strategy).

    I think I barely finished on time, but did score in the mid-40s.
     
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    Without starting a sociopolitical war, I'd like to suggest that Belichick is good at finding market inequalities: look at how many receivers he picks up who don't fit the stereotype for the position, for example. The below article is probably bit more racially charged than a football message board needs to delve into, but it certainly highlights the position-biases that hold teams back from finding good players. "Do your job" should ideally be color-blind.

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    If you want to have some fun, play around with the Tableau dashboard he created:

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