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  1. reamer

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    Inspired by @long distance and the fine work in the building the 2017 roster thread -- he got me thinking about where the roster could be upgraded, or at least competition added, to get to the 90 man roster for Training Camp. I'll throw out some draft prospects I like at each position. This is turning into a monster of a post, so grab some food and water, buckle up, hold on to your hats, etc, etc, etc.

    I started going alphabetically through the positions in the roster, but due to size limitations, I think I'm going to go defense first, and finish up offense in a second post. Although I list draft eligible players, I'm (mostly) skipping top 20 guys in my review.

    TEAM ROSTER


    NUMBER NAME POS. HT. WT. AGE EXP. COLLEGE

    DB:

    N/A Gilmore, Stephon CB 6-1 190 26 5 South Carolina

    24 Jones, Cyrus CB 5-10 200 23 2 Alabama

    22 Coleman, Justin DB 5-11 190 24 3 Tennessee

    23 Chung, Patrick S 5-11 215 29 9 Oregon

    25 Rowe, Eric DB 6-1 205 24 3 Utah

    30 Harmon, Duron DB 6-1 205 26 5 Rutgers

    31 Jones, Jonathan DB 5-10 190 23 2 Auburn

    32 McCourty, Devin DB 5-10 195 29 8 Rutgers

    37 Richards, Jordan DB 5-11 210 24 3 Stanford

    43 Ebner, Nate DB 6-0 220 28 6 Ohio State

    RFA:

    21 Butler, Malcolm CB 5-11 190 27 4 West Alabama

    ERFA:

    36 King, Brandon DB 6-2 220 23 3 Auburn


    Our depth depends largely on what happens with the Super Bowl hero. I'd prefer to see him here, but if he goes to New Orleans, then I expect us to draft a corner and also bring in a few guys in UDFA, as well. Thankfully, it's a great year for corners! Otherwise, we have a clear #1 with Gilmore, a situational #2 (I really like Rowe against bigger receivers), and several guys who can be competitive in the slot.

    Safety seems all set for this year, but Richards stands out as someone who could and should be upgraded. I didn't like the pick at the time, and he's done nothing over the last two years to change my opinion. Great guy by all accounts, with excellent interviews, but he just seems to lack the long speed to cover in this league. Again, I expect the draft to include at least one safety, and possibly two. We seem to have shown an interest in Melifonwu, Jones, Hill, etc, so it's possible we're looking for a bigger, hybrid type player. Perhaps Brandon King steps up?


    CB

    1st / 2nd

    Gareon Conley (top passer rating against in all of CFB at 13.9; great ball skills)
    Kevin King (athletic freak; incredible outside press corner with size & agility)
    Chidobe Awuzie (blitzer, ball skills, plays all 4 DB positions, 35 on Wonderlic)
    Budda Baker (ultimate DB wildcard; slot/FS/star; playmaker; +++ instincts)

    3rd / 4th

    Outside:
    Marlon Humphrey (aggressive, physical player; loses ball at times; exceptional against run)
    Sidney Jones (top overall CB; top 15 talent; medical redshirt?)
    Cordrea Tankersley (inconsistent; exceptional against TEs; great size/speed)
    Ahkello Witherspoon (knocked down for tackling; coverage is top 10 worthy)
    Fabian Moreau (freak upside: 140.2 pSPARQ/2.2 z-score/98.7 NFL%; medical ?)
    Brian Allen (raw WR convert; intriguing size/speed with 6.64 3-cone)

    Slot:
    Howard Wilson (elite click-n-close, good tackling & ball skills; ideal nickel)
    Corn Elder (kamikaze tackler; reminds me of Butler in style, though a tier below)
    Jourdan Lewis (depending on DV charges; sticky slot; best pure man to man CB)

    5th - 7th
    Brandon Wilson (plays offense, defense, special teams; elite testing numbers)
    Shaquill Griffen (elite testing numbers, physical & likes to hit, very raw)
    Marcus Sayles (13 blocked kicks in career; extraordinary agility/explosion numbers)

    UDFA:
    Joshua Holsey (instinctive, tough, productive; medical?)
    Dwayne Thomas (slot/safety; QB spy specialist; good blitzer/tackler)
    Jack Tocho (ask @manxman2601 for more info :p )
    Jeremy Clark (huge size, nice tape; no testing numbers; medical concerns -- knee injury)

    S

    1st / 2nd

    Marcus Williams (elite cover talent; like him better than Hooker at FS)
    Obi Melifonwu (can play press corner; covers TE; athletic freak)
    Josh Jones (plays LB/SS/FS/slot really well; perfect Chung replacement)

    3rd / 4th

    Rayshawn Jenkins (headhunter; hybrid S/LB throwback player)
    Eddie Jackson (CB/FS, playmaker, great instincts, McCourty clone; medical questions)
    Johnathan Ford (speed speed speed, physicality, special teams, glue of secondary)
    Xavier Woods (discount Budda Baker; quality starter)
    Marcus Maye (leader of the secondary; instinctive; productive; good fit in NE)

    5th - 7th

    Delano Hill (discount Josh Jones, and that's not a dis at all; maybe 4th round?)
    John Johnson (parents lose points for creativity; discount Eddie Jackson)
    Kai Nacau (discount Marcus Williams with more physicality; reportedly has matured)
    Jason Thompson (special teams star; team captain in 1st year with team; super athlete)

    UDFA

    Montae Nicholson, Leon McQuay III, Khary Bailey-Smith, etc


    DL:

    N/A Ealy, Kony DE 6-4 275 25 4 Missouri

    N/A Guy, Lawrence DL 6-4 305 27 7 Arizona State

    74 Hamilton, Woodrow DL 6-2 315 24 2 Mississippi

    90 Brown, Malcom DL 6-2 320 23 3 Texas

    92 Grissom, Geneo DL 6-4 265 24 3 Oklahoma

    98 Flowers, Trey DL 6-2 265 23 3 Arkansas

    99 Valentine, Vincent DT 6-2 320 (lol) 23 2 Nebraska

    97 Branch, Alan DL 6-6 350 32 11 Michigan

    96 Kilgo, Darius NT 6-3 319 25 3 Maryland


    Nink is listed as a LB, so we'll get to him later. Clearly we're in need of an infusion of talent at DE. The inside of the DL looks very strong, however, with Branch headlining a young and talented group of run stoppers who can also push the pocket against the pass. Grissom is in a make or break year, but has been disappointing thus far. Hamilton is just a guy and could be upgraded. Kilgo is intriguing, but behind Valentine / Brown. Ealy is inconsistent but has real promise. Flowers is an ascending superstar. :cool:

    One-sentence short breakdowns: Roster Review / Big Board (incomplete)

    Long form breakdowns: DL & EDGE Players: Run stuffers, designated pass rushers, hybrids, etc

    1st

    DE:
    Charles Harris
    Derek Barnett
    Taco Charlton
    Jordan Willis

    Inside/outside:
    DeMarcus Walker
    Chris Wormley

    2nd

    DE:
    Tarell Basham
    Carl Lawson
    Derek Rivers

    DT:
    Montravius Adams
    Jaleel Johnson
    Larry Ogunjobi

    3rd / 4th

    DE:
    Ifeadi Odenigbo (binkie alert)
    Daeshon Hall
    Keionta Davis
    Trey Hendrickson
    Deatrich Wise

    DT:
    Davon Godchaux
    Tanoh Kpassagnon
    Eddie Vanderdoes

    5th / 7th

    DE:
    Fadol Brown
    Tashawn Bower
    Isaac Rochell
    Cameron Malveaux

    DT:
    Grover Stewart
    Josh Augusta

    UDFA:

    DE:
    Hunter Dimick
    Garrett Sickels
    Josh Carraway

    DT:
    Patrick Ricard
    Josh Tupou


    K:

    3 Gostkowski, Stephen K 6-1 215 33 12 Memphis

    Bring in a camp leg to give him some rest. Ratchet up the competition level while he works to regain form as an elite kicker, instead of merely a very good one. No need to draft anyone this year.


    LB:

    44 Bates, Trevor LB 6-1 247 23 1 Maine

    50 Ninkovich, Rob LB 6-2 260 33 12 Purdue

    52 Roberts, Elandon LB 5-11 235 22 2 Houston

    53 Van Noy, Kyle LB 6-3 243 26 4 Brigham Young

    54 Hightower, Dont'a LB 6-3 265 27 6 Alabama

    55 Freeny, Jonathan LB 6-2 255 27 6 Rutgers

    58 McClellin, Shea LB 6-3 250 27 6 Boise State


    One superstar and Super Bowl hero, and a bunch of role players. We could stand to add some depth and quality here. I expect at least two linebackers in the draft and UDFA, and possibly more. We could use outside DE/OLB types, as well as coverage players. The draft has some nice options for each type of player. There's some cross-over with the DL section, so again I'll refer readers to my other thread instead of giving mini-breakdowns after player names: DL & EDGE Players: Run stuffers, designated pass rushers, hybrids, etc

    I love Ninkovich, but he's 33 and plays a physical position. I hope to keep him around as a steady veteran presence, and I would love to see him get into coaching after his playing days are over, but I don't think he's likely to be a consistent playmaker at this stage of his career. Freeny is not very good, but he's the truest backup we have to Hightower. I think he sticks around, but I would like to challenge him in camp. Roberts is young and fiery, with great production against the run; if he can improve against the pass, then he's likely going to earn more playing time in a rotation with Hightower, which may help mitigate the injuries for each player.

    Van Noy clearly outperformed McClellin last year, but both had their value at times. Van Noy should only improve with a full training camp, and he could be a valuable player in a rotation. I'd like to see McClellin show more pass rush and coverage ability, but we may have already seen his peak. He could be easily challenged/upgraded. Bates is a wildcard, with good athleticism and some potential in coverage. We'll see how he does in camp.


    1st / 2nd

    OLB:
    Haason Reddick (super binkie)
    Tyus Bowser

    ILB:
    Haason Reddick (listed twice because he's that good :cool: )
    Jarrad Davis
    Raekwon McMillan

    3rd / 4th

    OLB:
    TJ Watt
    Ryan Anderson
    Vince Biegel
    Carroll Phillips

    ILB:
    Jordan Evans
    Kendall Beckwith
    Eric Wilson
    Harvey Langi
    Duke Riley

    5th - 7th

    OLB:
    Samson Ebukam (discount Reddick, but still a binkie)
    Darius English
    Jimmie Gilbert
    Evan Schwan

    ILB:
    Chase Allen
    Richie Brown
    James Onwualu
    Blair Brown
    Ben Gedeon



    LS:

    49 Cardona, Joe LS 6-3 245 24 3 Navy

    Excellent player. Maybe bring in a camp body to give him some days off, but he should be a lifetime Patriot.
     
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    RESERVED FOR OFFENSE (RB & WR still a Work In Progress)

    NUMBER NAME POS. HT. WT. AGE EXP. COLLEGE

    C:


    60 Andrews, David C 6-3 295 24 3 Georgia

    Andrews is the only pure center on the roster. I know several guards took emergency snaps there in last year's camp, but this looks like a prime area to add competition. I like Andrews a lot, but he's not an elite player, and I could see some upgrades in this draft.

    5th - 7th

    Cameron Tom (smooth, effortless pass blocking, push in run game; needs strength)

    7th - UDFA

    Cam Keizur (explosive athlete, good on the move, surprisingly stout)


    OL:

    61 Cannon, Marcus OL 6-5 335 28 7 Texas Christian

    62 Thuney, Joe G 6-4 305 24 2 North Carolina State

    63 Jackson, Tre G 6-4 320 24 3 Florida State

    64 Barker, Chris OL 6-2 275 26 2 Nevada

    65 Douglas, Jamil OL 6-4 308 25 2 Arizona State

    66 Farris, Chase OL 6-4 295 24 1 Ohio State

    68 Waddle, LaAdrian OL 6-6 315 25 5 Texas Tech

    69 Mason, Shaq OL 6-1 310 23 3 Georgia Tech

    75 Karras, Ted OL 6-4 305 24 2 Illinois

    77 Solder, Nate T 6-8 325 28 7 Colorado

    71 Fleming, Cameron OL 6-6 320 24 4 Stanford


    Oh my. Scar is a miracle worker. o_O

    Solder and Cannon are high quality bookends. Thuney shows great promise. Shaq is awesome in the run game, and can pull in space with the best of them, but he's a liability as a pass blocker. The backups, well, they leave a lot to be desired. I would like to see what Jackson can do when healthy, but Barker, Douglas, Farris, and Karras could all be upgraded. Fleming might take the Cannon route with enough time, and he's done a decent job as a 6th OL/3rd TE. Waddle is notable only for his name, which lends itself well to jokes. ;)

    If Solder is not extended, then tackle becomes a high priority. Unfortunately, this class is fairly poor, although there are a number of intriguing prospects later in the draft. Barring injuries, we have time to develop a replacement for both Waddle and Solder. Guard might improve with another year of Scar's ministrations, but I wouldn't rule out adding multiple players in both the draft and in UDFA to compete for jobs in camp.

    1st / 2nd

    OT:
    Garett Bolles (plus athlete; concerns about age/character/development)
    Cam Robinson (nasty, plus run blocker, developing pass protector; RT only?)
    Taylor Moton (T/G versatility; size/strength, good athlete; ascending player)

    OG:
    Forrest Lamp (Mankins/Thuney cross, won't be available; 5-position player)
    Dion Dawkins (T/G, powerful, gritty, nice mover, big upside)

    3rd / 4th

    OT:
    Julie'n Davenport (ideal size, lacks polish; worked out with Scar)
    Conor McDermott (great size, very smooth, needs to develop strength)
    Roderick Johnson (big but a mess; could be all pro if technique completely rebuilt)
    Will Holden (strong, good size, holds his own in pass/run, ideal swing tackle)
    Antonio Garcia (smoothest athlete of the top tackles; undersized; length/weight questions??)

    OG:
    Nico Siragusa (sleeper; needs polish, but has size and power to move people)
    Dorian Johnson (body beautiful, but overly linear; quality upside)
    Kofi Amichia (LT, will move inside; extremely athletic and explosive, effortless mirror, good balance recovery, solid run blocking, huge upside; super sleeper; official binkie)

    5th - 7th

    OT:
    Storm Norton (tall, lanky, very good mover, needs to add strength; great upside)
    Brad Seaton (nasty, powerful, huge, dominates on every play; poor competition)
    Max Rich (7.1 3-cone, intelligent, great mover; terrible competition level)
    Andrew Wylie (5-position player; best jumps in class; size/speed/agility; 44 starts all across OL)
    Sam Tevi (Needs to develop coordination & core strength; nice feet and good quickness)

    OG:
    Corey Levin (best pulling guard in draft; low level of competition)
    Aviante Collins (better athlete than football player, but big upside)

    UDFA:

    OT:
    Jylan Ware (superb athlete, poor competition, needs tons of work)
    Andreas Knappe (big frame, older prospect, very powerful/athletic)
    Nick Callender (upside pick; great athlete)
    Dimitric Camiel (missed numerous games to injuries, but starting RT if healthy)
    Adam Bisnowaty (T/G prospect; technique is ugly, but regularly got the job done)


    P:

    6 Allen, Ryan P 6-2 220 27 5 Louisiana Tech

    Nice job, Ryan. Keep up the good work. Bring in a camp leg to give him a break.


    QB:



    7 Brissett, Jacoby QB 6-4 235 24 2 North Carolina State

    10 Garoppolo, Jimmy QB 6-2 225 25 4 Eastern Illinois

    12 Brady, Tom QB 6-4 225 39 18 Michigan


    A couple promising young bucks, and some old guy. :cool:

    If the Patriots do trade Garoppolo, then I would expect them to add another quarterback late in the draft. Otherwise, they can pick over the UDFA market for anyone interesting to stash on the practice squad. Next year, I would anticipate drafting another guy in the 2nd - 3rd range again. The quest continues for the successor. Brady might play for another 3 - 7 years, and no one would be terribly surprised if retired sooner, or played later, than that loose timeframe.


    RB:

    N/A Burkhead, Rex RB 5-10 210 26 4 Nebraska

    27 Foster, D.J. RB 6-0 195 23 2 Arizona State

    28 White, James RB 5-10 205 25 4 Wisconsin

    33 Lewis, Dion RB 5-8 195 26 6 Pittsburgh

    38 Bolden, Brandon RB 5-11 220 27 6 Mississippi

    46 Develin, James RB 6-3 255 28 5 Brown

    47 Gronkowski, Glenn FB 6-2 234 24 1 Kansas State


    Competitive group. Would like to see Blount back and a bellcow drafted. Ideally, we'll re-sign White as our 3rd down back of the future. I love Lewis, but worry that the injuries will cut his career short. Foster might be able to grow into his role. Burkhead will surprise, in my opinion. I think he's our best running back since Ridley's one good year. Develin will continue to crush people as the best FB in the NFL. Gronk the younger is good insurance in case Develin is injured. Bolden is a solid special teamer.

    1st / 2nd
    D'Onta Foreman (long speed; big back; nice swivel; developing power; huge production)
    Alvin Kamara (elite weapon in the passing game; superb balance; dangerous in open field)
    Samuel Curtis (home run speed; pass/run; Percy Harvin clone without the headache)

    3rd / 4th
    Wayne Gallman (heart and grit; not the fastest, but consistently picks up yards)
    Marlon Mack (speed back; most explosive in draft other than Cook)
    Chris Carson (sledgehammer; runs North-South with power; featured in passing game)
    Elijah McGuire (ideal 3rd down back; smooth, controlled, can make you miss)
    Samaje Perine (tough; bowling ball; lacks long speed, highly productive; good balance)

    5th - 7th
    LeShun Daniels (compact, powerful, runs over defenders with ease, very physical)
    Jamaal Williams (vision, thrives on contact, keeps runs alive, cheerful locker room guy)
    Brian Hill (power, balance, production; lacks dynamic qualities but put up big numbers)
    James Conner (bruising style; high character; grinder; medical ??)
    Aaron Jones (typical late round back with longer, more productive career than high picks)
    Dare Ogunbowale (passing game threat; balance, vision, character)
    Matt Breida (speed to burn; quick and explosive; big play threat; undersized)



    TE:


    N/A Allen, Dwayne TE 6-3 265 27 5 Clemson

    N/A Housler, Rob TE 6-5 250 29 6 Florida Atlantic

    85 Williams, Michael TE 6-6 304 26 3 Alabama

    87 Gronkowski, Rob TE 6-6 265 27 8 Arizona

    ERFA

    82 Lengel, Matt TE 6-7 266 26 2 Eastern Kentucky


    When healthy, Gronk is the best TE in the league, and he has a decent case for best TE of all time. Allen is a proven commodity: strong blocker, solid receiver, and all around excellent #2 TE. After that, it's slim pickings. Williams is listed at over 300 pounds, and he was never the fleetest of foot; I wonder if he ends up at OT this camp. Lengal has surprising athleticism for his size, and could eventually win the #3 role. Housler was a favorite of mine coming out of college, but he has done very little in the league after a few mildly productive years in Arizona -- four years ago.

    The Patriots usually look for more depth than this position displays, although we have a strong 1-2 punch. I expect a couple new players in camp via draft and UDFA. This year's TE class is extremely deep and diverse, and we should be able to develop a talented #3 player.

    1st / 2nd
    Evan Engram (WR/TE hybrid; smooth routes; too fast for LB; too big for DB; playmaker)
    George Kittle (devastating blocker; elite athlete; raw route runner; good hands; major binkie)

    3rd / 4th
    Bucky Hodges (matched/exceeded Jimmy Graham's test numbers; WR routes; complete mismatch; red zone monster)
    Adam Shaheen (the next baby Gronk)
    Gerald Everett (discount Evan Engram; concerns about competition level)
    Jordan Leggett (smooth, competent, productive all around TE; very underrated)

    5th - 7th
    Cole Hikutini (savvy route runner, nice hands)
    Eric Saubert (good pass-catcher, knows how to get open)

    UDFA:
    Jacob Hollister (deep threat at TE; nice athleticism)
    Jason Croom (WR skills; underutilized player)
    Michael Roberts (big body, lacks some dynamism, solid #3)



    WR:

    N/A Cooks, Brandin WR 5-10 189 23 4 Oregon State

    11 Edelman, Julian WR 5-10 200 30 9 Kent State

    15 Hogan, Chris WR 6-1 210 28 5 Monmouth (N.J.)

    16 Lucien, Devin WR 6-2 200 23 1 Arizona State

    17 White, DeAndrew WR 6-0 192 25 2 Alabama

    18 Slater, Matthew WR 6-0 205 31 10 UCLA

    19 Mitchell, Malcolm WR 5-11 200 24 2 Georgia

    80 Amendola, Danny WR 5-11 190 31 9 Texas Tech


    Cooks will bring a speed element we've missed since Randy Moss. Hogan is also an excellent deep threat, and I expect him to blossom in his second year in the system. Amendola is as clutch as they come, but is our oldest receiver and has dealt with injuries for much of his career. It would be great to have him back on a restructured deal. Otherwise, we may look to the draft to get younger, cheaper, and more explosive (and, we hope, just as reliable).

    Slater continues to be the best special teamer in the league. Edelman and Mitchell saved our season with clutch catches in the Super Bowl, and Mitchell will improve his second year. He's got the talent, mindset, and work ethic to be a Patriots favorite for many years.

    Depending on the legal case and the interest from both sides, Floyd may be back. He certainly brings a welcome amount of size and physicality to our receiving corp. Lucien and White have some promise, and will need to prove their worth in camp. I expect that they will see some competition from at least one addition in the draft, and maybe two.

    1st / 2nd
    Corey Davis (won't be available, but I love his game; most refined receiver in this class)
    Chris Godwin (physical blocker, contested catch maven, potential to be a #1)
    Amara Darboh (smooth routes, excellent hands, top-notch character, underrated size/speed)

    3rd / 4th
    Zay Jones (production, production, production; quick, reliable player with polished skillset)
    Carlos Henderson (big play waiting to happen; elusive; blocks like Steve Smith)
    Taywan Taylor (productive regardless of competition; explosive: 6.57 3-cone, 11' broad jump)
    JuJu Smith-Schuster (big frame, strong hands, can win on the outside, not a burner)

    5th - 7th
    Ryan Switzer (Edelman clone who lives up to the hype)
    Noah Brown (light on experience, heavy on potential; big body, good hands, nice routes)
    Stacey Coley (deep threat; slight frame; plays big)
    KD Cannon (see above)
    Robert Davis (measurables = Julio Jones; lacks refinement; productive; bargain in the 7th?)

    UDFA:

    Drew Morgan (quick slot guy; lacks speed and dynamic game, but plays hard)
    Riley McCarron (quick slot with outstanding measurables and punt return experience)
    Travis Rudolph (poor measurables, but a savvy route runner and high-character player)
    Michael Rector (speed and quickness; gadget guy; ideal slot playmaker)
    Quincy Abedoyejo (size/speed player with good hands and smooth routes; has some shake)
    Mack Hollins (special teams monster; good blocker; big-bodied deep threat)
    Francis Owusu (speed, size, ST, brother played in NFL)
    Deangelo Yancey (good production; nice size, solid athlete)
    Jehu Chesson (great athlete; refined player; ST presence; good size; production questions?)
    CJ Board (upside pick; exceptional quickness)
     
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    Great job. But....Cam Sutton. Deliberately left off or just forgotten?
     
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    Still debating. Haven't graded him thoroughly yet. I like his game, but think there are stronger contenders. Will focus on him this week and get back to you.
     
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    To me, he's a good cover nickel corner but leaves something to be desired in run support.
     
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    As currently constructed, the biggest problem I see with this roster is the lack of ability to get to the qb. We need a pass rusher or two badly.

    Fortunately for us this is a very deep draft for edge rushers and bb should have several to chose from at # 72.

    Plan b could be to use Hightower more as a pass rusher on obvious passing downs and instead bb works to upgrade the linebackers,

    Again, we should have several to chose from at #72.
     
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    1. I don't see a lack of pass rusher as a disaster. This team is built for coverage sacks. Not only that, but we've kept our leading guy from last year. It would be nice to draft someone for the future but I don't see anyone available at 72 offering a lot of year one help - even a Basham or Willis.

    2. When I was watching some games for that write up I did about the 5-2 front, Hightower was already effectively a pass rusher. More often than not, Hightower rushed and Ninkovich dropped.
     
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    Draft series from Doug Kyed with charts showing general Patriots attributes/testing cutoffs for each position (scroll down to the bottom of each article for the chart). He places a check for each criteria that is met per prospect. I believe only Jordan Willis and Dan Freeny score an eleven (equals or surpasses every preferred measurement). Neat tool to consider, even if I'm not totally sure that I agree with his exact numbers for each cutoff:

    Linebackers Patriots Could Select With Each Pick In 2017 NFL Draft

    Patriots Are Most Likely To Draft These Offensive Linemen With 2017 Picks

    Cornerbacks Patriots Could Select With Each Pick In 2017 NFL Draft

    Running Backs Patriots Could Pick In Each Round Of 2017 NFL Draft

    Defensive Tackles Patriots Likely To Pick In Each Round Of NFL Draft

    Tight Ends Patriots Are Most Likely To Draft With Each Of Their 2017 Picks

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    Working through some UDFA prospects while I try to finish up my board. Chase Allen has pretty good size and speed, and his tape shows decisive reads, pretty good play speed, and generally reliable tackling. He'll crash the LoS, take on guards (needs to develop strength to disengage), and gives really good effort in pursuit. I'm pleasantly surprised. He looks like he could be a ST standout, and fight for playing time down the road. Man to man technique needs some work when dropping into coverage, but on the plus side, he showed really good depth and fluid hips/feet. There's a ton to like about his game. Consider me super intrigued.

    Height: 6031
    Weight: 241
    40 Yrd Dash: 4.60
    20 Yrd Dash: 2.70
    10 Yrd Dash: 1.65
    225 Lb. Bench Reps: 23
    Vertical Jump: 33
    Broad Jump: 09'08"
    20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.19
    3-Cone Drill: 6.88



    Nice read and excellent range to get out to the flat and stuff the dumpoff pass to the running back for no gain:




    Here he is planting Jordan Howard a couple years ago:

     
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    Fadol Brown is growing on me a bit. I don't love his athletic traits, but they're comparable to Flowers' numbers coming out. Brown has more bulk and even longer arms. He's capable of a very powerful punch, and when his technique is on, he's an absolute bull on the edge, just tossing people out of the way. He was never productive, however, and I don't think he wins at the snap as effectively as Flowers does (although his wins come the same way: power and handwork). Still, I could see him being a target in the 7th, or as an UDFA. Some potential to work with there, and more burst on the field than his 40 time would indicate.


    Brown:
    • 4.94 SEC
    • 19 REPS
    • 34.0 INCH
    • 115.0 INCH
    • 7.24 SEC
    • 4.44 SEC
    • 6'4"HEIGHT
    • 35"ARM LENGTH
    • 273LBS.WEIGHT
    • 10 1/4"HANDS
    Flowers:
    • 4.93 SEC
    • 28 REPS
    • 36.5 INCH
    • 121.0 INCH
    • 7.34 SEC
    • 4.40 SEC

    • 6'2"HEIGHT
    • 34 1/4"ARM LENGTH
    • 266LBS.WEIGHT
    • 10"HANDS

    Long form tape of good plays. Probably from his agent:

     
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    Updated rankings and short form review of the DE/DT and OLB/ILB lists, for those who don't want to read my novel-length reports. o_O


    Charles Harris (smoothest pass rusher in draft; tape >>>> testing; natural mover)
    Derek Barnett (best bend around corner; nice hands; broke Reggie White's sack record)
    Taco Charlton (Chandler Jones redux; still developing; great frame; untapped potential)
    Jordan Willis (technician; powerful; disciplined and deliberate; great athlete; needs to play fast)

    Inside/outside:
    DeMarcus Walker (slow but huge production; high character; coaches pet; Trey Flowers 2.0)
    Chris Wormley (versatile and disruptive; best athlete no one talks about)

    2nd

    DE:
    Tarell Basham (plays with physicality and edge; natural pass rusher; board favorite)
    Carl Lawson (fire hydrant; short and powerful; linear rusher with stack & shed prowess)
    Derek Rivers (small school but extremely refined; nice hands; twitchy)

    DT:
    Montravius Adams (raw but athletic; nice upfield burst)
    Jaleel Johnson (plays fast, tests slow; exceptional hand techniques; brawler; sack production)
    Larry Ogunjobi (quick, explosive, excellent conditioning, unrelenting effort)

    3rd / 4th

    DE:
    Ifeadi Odenigbo (powerful; unbelievable bull rush; mature and coachable; binkie alert)
    Daeshon Hall (perfect frame/testing numbers; doesn't play like it; needs to learn to use hands)
    Keionta Davis (big, tough, productive; physically dominates; questions re: level of competition)
    Trey Hendrickson (fast and twitchy, but thinks he's faster than he is; finesse; prima dona?)
    Deatrich Wise (big & strong, long arms; pushes the pocket; needs to more consistently threaten edge)

    DT:
    Tanoh Kpassagnon (speed rusher trapped in a DT's body; should add bulk and slide inside)
    Eddie Vanderdoes (injuries led to mediocre tape; now healthy, shows explosive burst)

    5th / 7th

    DE:
    Fadol Brown (discount Deatrich Wise; great frame, powerful, not overly dynamic)
    Tashawn Bower (smart; average size/speed/production; executes scheme/does his job)
    Isaac Rochell (meat & potatoes player; not a star, but should be high-level backup for a decade)
    Cameron Malveaux (size/speed player with unrefined skill set but flashes of explosive power)

    DT:
    Grover Stewart (enormous; shocking athleticism/movement skills; low level of competition?)
    Josh Augusta (massive mountain of man; lost 50 pounds after thyroid diagnosis; Branch 2.0?)

    UDFA:

    DE:
    Hunter Dimick (15 sacks; hustle player; squatty body type lacking bend; chip on shoulder)
    Garrett Sickels (declared too early; lacks explosion; decent technician; can play a little)
    Josh Carraway (undersized but quick; effort player; may need to play standing up)

    DT:
    Patrick Ricard (explosive pass rushing 3-tech with active hands and huge motor)
    Josh Tupou (prototypical NT; little lateral movement; meat shield for linebackers)





    LB:

    1st / 2nd

    OLB:
    Haason Reddick (cat-like quickness; tough player; productive against pass/run; can rush passer, cover, take on TEs and pulling guards, etc; super binkie)
    Tyus Bowser (size/athleticism compares to Jamie Collins; injury hampered production)
    TJ Watt (could be listed as an EDGE; similar to Mark Anderson; undersized?)

    ILB:
    Haason Reddick (can play any LB position; listed twice because he's that good :cool: )
    Jarrad Davis (compared by some to Ray Lewis; emotional leader, but needs seasoning)
    Raekwon McMillan (steady player with some versatility; long-term starter but not pro bowler)

    3rd / 4th

    OLB:
    Samson Ebukam (Reddick clone; will go higher than expected; Patriots show interest; binkie)
    Ryan Anderson (plays all LB roles in 34/43; teammates rave about him; fiery in practice)
    Vince Biegel (discount TJ Watt; nearly identical on tape at Wisconsin)
    Carroll Phillips (blitzer, try-hard type, some explosive qualities; lacking in bulk)

    ILB:
    Jordan Evans (man2man cover skills; nose for ball; some struggles against the run)
    Kendall Beckwith (injury special; sturdy, dependable; blitzer; old school LB only?)
    Eric Wilson (excellent instincts; productive; could play safety; favorite coverage LB)
    Harvey Langi (bounced between LB, RB, and DE; size/speed guy; raw with big upside)
    Duke Riley (fast; true sideline-to-sideline player; better against pass than run)
    Chase Allen (good size, excellent instincts, plays fast, shows up against run/pass)

    5th - 7th

    OLB:
    Darius English (size/speed prospect; flashes on tape; washed out against run)
    Jimmie Gilbert (rail thin, almost frail looking; good blitzer; covers WRs sometimes)
    Evan Schwan (battled every injury in the book; hard worker; ideal size/speed with considerable upside if healthy)
    Keion Adams (in the same mold as Ebukam and Reddick, but less dynamic/productive)

    ILB:
    Richie Brown (coverage ace -- recorded 3 INTs in one game; nice athlete)
    James Onwualu (ST; team leader; Matt Patricia met with him personally)
    Blair Brown (plus athlete, undersized, competition level concerns)
    Ben Gedeon (leader of defense; productive; lacks some dynamic qualities)
     
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    You didn't compare Walker to Flowers LoL?
     
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    Subpar athletes, play inside/outside, strong players with long arms and violent hands, well spoken of by coaches, etc. I'll stand by that.
     
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