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That explains one conundrum I had - why the Pats take starting interior O linemen in the 4th round? Also show how highly they thought of Vincent Valentine - effectively a potential starter. I'll remember this video when I grade for next year. Thanks for posting.
 
Updated rankings and short form review of the DE/DT and OLB/ILB lists, for those who don't want to read my novel-length reports. o_O


Charles Harris (smoothest pass rusher in draft; tape >>>> testing; natural mover)
Derek Barnett (best bend around corner; nice hands; broke Reggie White's sack record)
Taco Charlton (Chandler Jones redux; still developing; great frame; untapped potential)
Jordan Willis (technician; powerful; disciplined and deliberate; great athlete; needs to play fast)

Inside/outside:
DeMarcus Walker (slow but huge production; high character; coaches pet; Trey Flowers 2.0)
Chris Wormley (versatile and disruptive; best athlete no one talks about)

2nd

DE:
Tarell Basham (plays with physicality and edge; natural pass rusher; board favorite)
Carl Lawson (fire hydrant; short and powerful; linear rusher with stack & shed prowess)
Derek Rivers (small school but extremely refined; nice hands; twitchy)

DT:
Montravius Adams (raw but athletic; nice upfield burst)
Jaleel Johnson (plays fast, tests slow; exceptional hand techniques; brawler; sack production)
Larry Ogunjobi (quick, explosive, excellent conditioning, unrelenting effort)

3rd / 4th

DE:
Ifeadi Odenigbo (powerful; unbelievable bull rush; mature and coachable; binkie alert)
Daeshon Hall (perfect frame/testing numbers; doesn't play like it; needs to learn to use hands)
Keionta Davis (big, tough, productive; physically dominates; questions re: level of competition)
Trey Hendrickson (fast and twitchy, but thinks he's faster than he is; finesse; prima dona?)
Deatrich Wise (big & strong, long arms; pushes the pocket; doesn't really threaten edge)

DT:
Tanoh Kpassagnon (speed rusher trapped in a DT's body; should add bulk and slide inside)
Eddie Vanderdoes (injuries led to mediocre tape; now healthy, shows explosive burst)

5th / 7th

DE:
Fadol Brown (discount Deatrich Wise; great frame, powerful, not overly dynamic)
Tashawn Bower (smart; average size/speed/production; executes scheme/does his job)
Isaac Rochell (meat & potatoes player; not a star, but should be high-level backup for a decade)
Cameron Malveaux (size/speed player with unrefined skill set but flashes of explosive power)

DT:
Grover Stewart (enormous; shocking athleticism/movement skills; low level of competition?)
Josh Augusta (massive mountain of man; lost 50 pounds after thyroid diagnosis; Branch 2.0?)

UDFA:

DE:
Hunter Dimick (15 sacks; hustle player; squatty body type lacking bend; chip on shoulder)
Garrett Sickels (declared too early; lacks explosion; decent technician; can play a little)
Josh Carraway (undersized but quick; effort player; may need to play standing up)

DT:
Patrick Ricard (explosive pass rushing 3-tech with active hands and huge motor)
Josh Tupou (prototypical NT; little lateral movement; meat shield for linebackers)





LB:

1st / 2nd

OLB:
Haason Reddick (cat-like quickness; tough player; productive against pass/run; can rush passer, cover, take on TEs and pulling guards, etc; super binkie)
Tyus Bowser (size/athleticism compares to Jamie Collins; injury hampered production)
TJ Watt (could be listed as an EDGE; similar to Mark Anderson; undersized?)

ILB:
Haason Reddick (can play any LB position; listed twice because he's that good :cool: )
Jarrad Davis (compared by some to Ray Lewis; emotional leader, but needs seasoning)
Raekwon McMillan (steady player with some versatility; long-term starter but not pro bowler)

3rd / 4th

OLB:
Samson Ebukam (Reddick clone; will go higher than expected; Patriots show interest; binkie)
Ryan Anderson (plays all LB roles in 34/43; teammates rave about him; fiery in practice)
Vince Biegel (discount TJ Watt; nearly identical on tape at Wisconsin)
Carroll Phillips (blitzer, try-hard type, some explosive qualities; lacking in bulk)

ILB:
Jordan Evans (man2man cover skills; nose for ball; some struggles against the run)
Kendall Beckwith (injury special; sturdy, dependable; blitzer; old school LB only?)
Eric Wilson (excellent instincts; productive; could play safety; favorite coverage LB)
Harvey Langi (bounced between LB, RB, and DE; size/speed guy; raw with big upside)
Duke Riley (fast; true sideline-to-sideline player; better against pass than run)
Chase Allen (good size, excellent instincts, plays fast, shows up against run/pass)

5th - 7th

OLB:
Darius English (size/speed prospect; flashes on tape; washed out against run)
Jimmie Gilbert (rail thin, almost frail looking; good blitzer; covers WRs sometimes)
Evan Schwan (battled every injury in the book; hard worker; ideal size/speed with considerable upside if healthy)
Keion Adams (in the same mold as Ebukam and Reddick, but less dynamic/productive)

ILB:
Richie Brown (coverage ace -- recorded 3 INTs in one game; nice athlete)
James Onwualu (ST; team leader; Matt Patricia met with him personally)
Blair Brown (plus athlete, undersized, competition level concerns)
Ben Gedeon (leader of defense; productive; lacks some dynamic qualities)
I would also consider Toledo DT Treyvon Hester in the 5th-7th range. Had he been able to work out, he likely would've been generated more buzz over the past few weeks. At the minimum, he should be able to generate some disruption as a 3rd-down interior rusher; a rich man's Chris Jones, if you will.
 
I would also consider Toledo DT Treyvon Hester in the 5th-7th range. Had he been able to work out, he likely would've been generated more buzz over the past few weeks. At the minimum, he should be able to generate some disruption as a 3rd-down interior rusher; a rich man's Chris Jones, if you will.

Thanks for adding that name to the mix. I haven't gotten around to his tape, so I didn't want to comment. I try to be pretty thorough, if possible, but with so many players out there, I just can't make it to the entire list. I'll definitely make some time this week to watch him, though. Appreciate the tip!
 
Subpar athletes, play inside/outside, strong players with long arms and violent hands, well spoken of by coaches, etc. I'll stand by that.

Walker's motor runs hot n cold. Could be bc he's gassed but its inconsistent.

Laterally he doesn't move like Flowers, across the line or to get backside.

If he's beat he can't regroup like Flowers either.

Last thing is I highly doubt he plays inside/out at the next level.

Flowers is incredibly strong in his lower half and while I know that's where Walkers strength is as well, the play strength/natural strength isn't the same.

It's why Flowers can hold up so well against the run/inside. People look at him and see a "lengthy" guy but his legs and core are just freakish strong.

Also regarding his hands theres def a difference between the two. He has "active" hands but they don't help him disengage. If someone gets their hands on him, hes pretty much done.
 
Walker's motor runs hot n cold. Could be bc he's gassed but its inconsistent.

Laterally he doesn't move like Flowers, across the line or to get backside.

If he's beat he can't regroup like Flowers either.

Last thing is I highly doubt he plays inside/out at the next level.

Flowers is incredibly strong in his lower half and while I know that's where Walkers strength is as well, the play strength/natural strength isn't the same.

It's why Flowers can hold up so well against the run/inside. People look at him and see a "lengthy" guy but his legs and core are just freakish strong.

Also regarding his hands theres def a difference between the two. He has "active" hands but they don't help him disengage. If someone gets their hands on him, hes pretty much done.

Sure, he's got some growing to do as a player. I think all of those things can be taught. He was still incredibly productive despite his drawbacks, and I think he can learn and improve in the NFL. Compare 2014 tape of Flowers with 2016 tape of Walker. Ultimately, I think they end up going around the same spot: late 3rd / early 4th.

Trey Flowers | Draft Breakdown

DeMarcus Walker | Draft Breakdown

Flowers is way better now than he was back in 2015, and I'm not sure many people predicted he'd be more than a developmental, rotational guy. Even the Patriots took Grissom first, and Flowers beat him out for a spot through hard work and dedication to his craft. The thing that stands out to me about both players is toughness and glowing reviews from the coaches: Fisher consistently goes out of his way to praise Walker as one of the hardest workers he's ever been around, and says that he will do absolutely anything that you ask him to do. He's a tough football player with plenty of growth potential.

Brian Chojnacki on Twitter
 
Sure, he's got some growing to do as a player. I think all of those things can be taught. He was still incredibly productive despite his drawbacks, and I think he can learn and improve in the NFL. Compare 2014 tape of Flowers with 2016 tape of Walker. Ultimately, I think they end up going around the same spot: late 3rd / early 4th.

Trey Flowers | Draft Breakdown

DeMarcus Walker | Draft Breakdown

Flowers is way better now than he was back in 2015, and I'm not sure many people predicted he'd be more than a developmental, rotational guy. Even the Patriots took Grissom first, and Flowers beat him out for a spot through hard work and dedication to his craft. The thing that stands out to me about both players is toughness and glowing reviews from the coaches: Fisher consistently goes out of his way to praise Walker as one of the hardest workers he's ever been around, and says that he will do absolutely anything that you ask him to do. He's a tough football player with plenty of growth potential.

Brian Chojnacki on Twitter

Agree with you about Walker.

The Flowers pick was actually one of the extremely rare times that BB picked one of my binkies. Seriously, it felt like hitting the lottery. IIRC, a lot of fans liked the Grissom pick better.

Anyway, Grissom was selected at #97 and Flowers was selected at #101. The 24 hour delay between the picks seems to exaggerate the fact that the picks were in two different rounds, but the reality is they were only 4 slots apart.
 
Agree with you about Walker.

The Flowers pick was actually one of the extremely rare times that BB picked one of my binkies. Seriously, it felt like hitting the lottery. IIRC, a lot of fans liked the Grissom pick better.

Anyway, Grissom was selected at #97 and Flowers was selected at #101. The 24 hour delay between the picks seems to exaggerate the fact that the picks were in two different rounds, but the reality is they were only 4 slots apart.

You're not wrong. Shaq Mason, Devien Lucien (to a degree) and Hightower were mine. It's a great feeling.
 
Take a Wonderlic test online:

Free Practice Wonderlic Test & NFL Wonderlic Test Scores

I forgot it was timed, and I'm still at work, so I ran out of time about 35 questions in, and it looks like I got 2 of them wrong (I'm more annoyed that I got some wrong than I am that I ran out of time). You're not supposed to use a calculator, or look anything up, etc. The system awards 1 point per correct answer, so under this test I scored a 33.

I think with practice I could score in the 40s, but I'm so many years removed from test taking . . . my mind doesn't feel as quick as it used to, even if I know more than I did when I was in school. I can think more deeply and accurately than I did back then, but I'm not as well trained to regurgitate answers. Interesting how life changes.
 
Take a Wonderlic test online:

Free Practice Wonderlic Test & NFL Wonderlic Test Scores

I forgot it was timed, and I'm still at work, so I ran out of time about 35 questions in, and it looks like I got 2 of them wrong (I'm more annoyed that I got some wrong than I am that I ran out of time). You're not supposed to use a calculator, or look anything up, etc. The system awards 1 point per correct answer, so under this test I scored a 33.

I think with practice I could score in the 40s, but I'm so many years removed from test taking . . . my mind doesn't feel as quick as it used to, even if I know more than I did when I was in school. I can think more deeply and accurately than I did back then, but I'm not as well trained to regurgitate answers. Interesting how life changes.

I took one of those sample Wonderlic test a couple years back. It was a version in which you could scroll through all the questions first instead of taking them one at a time in order. That allowed me to pick off the easy ones quickly and then spend more time on those that I had to think about (standard test-taking strategy).

I think I barely finished on time, but did score in the mid-40s.
 
Without starting a sociopolitical war, I'd like to suggest that Belichick is good at finding market inequalities: look at how many receivers he picks up who don't fit the stereotype for the position, for example. The below article is probably bit more racially charged than a football message board needs to delve into, but it certainly highlights the position-biases that hold teams back from finding good players. "Do your job" should ideally be color-blind.

The NFL’s racial divide
 
I attempted something similar to this 3-4 years ago. It was in interesting experiment and an hellacious time suck.

And it didn't have a lot of predictive value. I probably didn't weight the FO idiocy variably properly.

If you want to have some fun, play around with the Tableau dashboard he created:

Tableau Public
 


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