Riley Cooper's new deal, and the effect on market price for Julian Edelman

[Marinlik]

Cooper got 5 years and $25 million. So $5m a year. Seems to be a good start point for this FA period. Especially after the large increase in cap space.

 

[ripatsfan91]

Offer JE 4 years/18 million and it should work for both sides.

Maclin is now said to be "not close" in contract talks with Eagles.

And for Mack lovers out there, Kelce signed a 6 year extension for 37.5 million with 13 guaranteed.

 

[mayoclinic]

And for Mack lovers out there, Kelce signed a 6 year extension for 37.5 million with 13 guaranteed.

Ouch. 10 char.

 

[Brady6]

5 years/$25M is the report, which is $5M APY.

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Eagles reached agreement with WR Riley Cooper on a five-year, $25 million deal, per a league source.

I do not think that Coopers deal will have a ton of impact on Edelman, he is an outside receiver, and a comparable to him would have been Brian Hartline who signed for around $6M last offseason. Edelman is going to be pricing himself out based on the contracts that Amendola, Welker, Cruz, and Harvin received last offseason.

 

[50-yard-line]

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Eagles reached agreement with WR Riley Cooper on a five-year, $25 million deal, per a league source.

So that does a lot to set the market. Houston might overpay, but if not there, the Pats might be able to get something done with JE.

As for Mack - that's a lot of $$$$. There are 3 very good centers hitting FA, by all accounts. And a fourth who could be a 1-2 year solution on the cheap. There are also 3 centers in teh draft who could step right in. We should be all right there.

 

[ripatsfan91]

5 years/$25M is the report, which is $5M APY.



I do not think that Coopers deal will have a ton of impact on Edelman, he is an outside receiver, and a comparable to him would have been Brian Hartline who signed for around $6M last offseason. Edelman is going to be pricing himself out based on the contracts that Amendola, Welker, Cruz, and Harvin received last offseason.

Cooper is a better comparison than Cruz, Welker, or Harvin. JE played on the outside this season most of the time. Edelman does not have half the production of Cruz or Welker and is not nearly as dynamic as Harvin. But hey, if a team is dumb enough to give JE $11M APY, I wouldn't blame him for taking it.

I think this deal sets the market for JE to get a deal from $4-5M APY

 

[PatsFan2]

With reports that Riley Cooper is set to sign a new contract with the Eagles, I believe this will impact the pats FA plans and will set the market for Edelman's deal.

I believe it will set the top end of value for Edelman's contract because:
1. Both have one season of top end production with very little prior success; "one season wonders" so far.

2. Both are around the same age.

3. Both have similar career production.

Riley: 4 seasons, 93 catches, 1514 yds, 16.3 YPC, 13 TDs
JE: 5 seasons, 174 catches, 1770yds, 10.2 YPC, 10 TDs

I think Cooper will get a bigger contract than JE because he is younger, bigger, and his skill set is more rare than JE. But his contract will be important to set the ceiling for money JE can earn in his next contract. I hope Cooper is between 5.5-6 million average so we can get JE a little cheaper.

If others Teams are signing their own we should do likewise.

 

[dales804]

$5M/yr for Cooper? That's what I figured JE would get. I think Cooper should be paid more so JE should fall in around $4M/yr.

 

[patsinthesnow]

Ugh. I'm against paying Julian 5 mil/yr. It's tough to argue that Cooper is a better WR than Edelman.

 

[dales804]

Ugh. I'm against paying Julian 5 mil/yr. It's tough to argue that Cooper is a better WR than Edelman.

Cooper has better size, much higher YPC and more TDs. I love Edelman and his value is increased because of his return abilities, though.

 

[Don_the_patfan]

Ugh. I'm against paying Julian 5 mil/yr. It's tough to argue that Cooper is a better WR than Edelman.

Well, what do Edelman, Amendola,Boyce, TJ Moe(long shot) have in common? And do you put that kind of investment in the same area or use it somewhere else. We will find out but my guess has always been Edelman is a goner.

 

[ripatsfan91]

Ugh. I'm against paying Julian 5 mil/yr. It's tough to argue that Cooper is a better WR than Edelman.

Coopers skill set is more rare and you can't teach size. I think we should pay Edelman $4.5M APY and with the way contracts are structured his cap hit won't be massive the first two years. We have Boyce and Dobson on rookie contracts for the next 3 years. Why not pay him?

 

[Pape]

I would like to see the details of Coopers deal before setting the market. Five/25 but how big as the bonus, what's the guaranteed money?

I figured J would be inline for about 5 million per year. But based on what the particulars of the Cooper deal are, they might get away with short money/ larger bonus contract. It would be more cap friendly for the Pats, and net JE the same monies he would get in FA.

 

[PatsFan2]

Ugh. I'm against paying Julian 5 mil/yr. It's tough to argue that Cooper is a better WR than Edelman.

He's a reveiver and also a very good return man he's not a one dimensional player. Edelman is a Football player who I think is worth $5Mill ayear. BB is paying Kyle Arrington $4 Mill a year a guy who should be getting the vet minimum. Things are looking "^" for Edelman.

 

[ripatsfan91]

He's a reveiver and also a very good return man he's not a one dimensional player. Edelman is a Football player who I think is worth $5Mill ayear. BB is paying Kyle Arrington $4 Mill a year a guy who should be getting the vet minimum. Things are looking "^" for Edelman.

Agree with this. Although Arrington is a very good slot corner, he should NEVER EVER EVER be allowed to play outside. I wonder if Talib, Dennard, and Ryan will have any impact on the future of Arrington.

 

[primetime]

Is it a real $5m per year contract though or is it a 3 year, $10-12m contract with two BS years at the end? APY doesn't tell you much, really.

 

[mayoclinic]

Is it a real $5m per year contract though or is it a 3 year, $10-12m contract with two BS years at the end? APY doesn't tell you much, really.

Details not fully out yet, but this from ProFootballTalk:

A small amount of that total comes from escalators, so the base value is less than $25 million. Of the amount, $10 million is guaranteed. Specifically, Cooper gets a $4 million signing bonus, $4 million in salary guaranteed for skill, injury, and salary cap, and $2 million in 2015 salary guaranteed for injury only. The $2 million injury guarantee converts to a full guarantee on the first day of the 2015 league year.

Riley Cooper comes a long way in six months | ProFootballTalk

 

[ripatsfan91]

Is it a real $5m per year contract though or is it a 3 year, $10-12m contract with two BS years at the end? APY doesn't tell you much, really.

Amendola has his first two seasons guaranteed for 10M correct? I don't see why the pats can give JE 4/18/9 guaranteed.

 

[primetime]

Guessing it's structured something like this, then:

Season 2014 2015 2016 2017 2018 Total
Non-Guaranteed Salary $1,200,000 $1,600,000 $2,000,000 $4,500,000 $5,700,000 $15,000,000
Signing Bonus $800,000 $800,000 $800,000 $800,000 $800,000 $4,000,000
Other Guaranteed $1,200,000 $1,200,000 $1,200,000 $1,200,000 $1,200,000 $6,000,000
Total $3,200,000 $3,600,000 $4,000,000 $6,500,000 $7,700,000 $25,000,000

(sorry, can't get tables to format well)

Essentially it's $3.6m a year for the first three years and then he can be released or restructured without much of a hit after year 3. I would be happy with a similar deal for Edelman. Note that I went conservative here, it could be even more back-loaded in non-guaranteed money. This is a similar structure to Amendola's deal.

 

[Brady6]

The effect of Riley Cooper's new deal

Offer JE 4 years/18 million and it should work for both sides.

Maclin is now said to be "not close" in contract talks with Eagles.

And for Mack lovers out there, Kelce signed a 6 year extension for 37.5 million with 13 guaranteed.

Kelce signed for 7 years at $37.5M which is $5.35 APY. Mack should be singable at $6.5M APY which we could swing without preventing us from retaining our own.

The Kelce deal is actually a good one by the Eagles in my opinion. $13M guaranteed is basically 1 season APY and an $8M bonus.