Report: Patriots working to trade Matt Judon to Atlanta (Update: Deal is done)

[DaBruinz]

@holyredeemer - You were correct. The Pats were able to get a 3rd for Judon. Color me shocked and disappointed. Disappointed that they chose not to keep their best player on Defense. Shocked because Atlanta gave up a 3rd for him.

 

[PatsFan2]

@holyredeemer - You were correct. The Pats were able to get a 3rd for Judon. Color me shocked and disappointed. Disappointed that they chose not to keep their best player on Defense. Shocked because Atlanta gave up a 3rd for him.

We agree on something DB: they just Traded away their Best Player on Defense.

 

[Clonamery]

Adalius Thomas, randy, Shawn springs, Derek burgess, Joey Galloway.. all did similar things. Judon's not the first and won't be the last... Chris Jones what he did last season probably takes the cake!

4 of 5 were toast and the other (Randy) regretted it. Judon, we'll see. Given how engaged he was with the team and fans, he certainly got a kick in the ass on the way out.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Sometimes it does concern me that Mayo might be going out of his way to portray himself as the anti-Bill when in reality the only coach he has worked with as a professional player or a coach is Bill. I get that their personalities are likely very different but Bill had a ton of success here so Mayo doesn't need to completely reinvent the wheel in every facet of being the head coach.

Yep. He has quite the balancing act to execute. One one hand he needs to be his own man and true to himself or the players will see right through him and revitalize a team which was in decline under BB. On the other hand, by dismissing anything BB-related he runs the risk of hurting his own still-in-development credibility with the team, the owner and fans.

I hope he incorporates the best of BB's philosophies of in-game, locker room and organizational ops but incorporates his own views, stays true to himself and the players play hard for him.

If we start seeing players dog-it and committing silly mistakes constantly or play sound football and play hard, one way or the other we'll have our answer.

Just gotta see it play out.

 

[PatsFan2]

Yep. He has quite the balancing act to execute. One one hand he needs to be his own man and true to himself or the players will see right through him and revitalize a team which was in decline under BB. On the other hand, by dismissing anything BB-related he runs the risk of hurting his own still-in-development credibility with the team, the owner and fans.

I hope he incorporates the best of BB's philosophies of in-game, locker room and organizational ops but incorporates his own views, stays true to himself and the players play hard for him.

If we start seeing players dog-it and committing silly mistakes constantly or play sound football and play hard, one way or the other we'll have our answer.

Just gotta see it play out.

That's the Roster we currently have...V Lowe False Start - Chukwuma Okorafor false start another Third and Forever. That's what bad roster do make stupid mistakes and shoot themselves in the foot over and over.

 

[raduray]

Yep probably could have picked another OT in the Third Round the more the merrier.

But would we have gotten a third before the draft? Circumstances change and needs crystalize as the start of the season gets near.

 

[UGAPatsfan]

Remember what the Great BB once said: "Let the Fans Coach your Team and sooner rather than later you'll be sitting with them." I really liked Penix over Maye last Draft I wanted Penix later on but Atlanta pulled the QB trigger. How has he looked so far if you don't mind me asking??

Depends on who you ask here…much like Maye with the media.

Some say his accuracy has not been as expected, others that he’s been great.

My take was why take him there when you JUST guaranteed Cousins a bag. Plus Penix injury history scares me.

 

[festy1986]

I'm on the pro side of this trade, but I'd push back on this because we still don't know what Judon was asking for. Assuming Atlanta eventually does give him a new deal, I want to see what those terms are before I classify it as exorbitant.

Well I guess. I am of the side that he got paid 14 plus million last year to do nothing and it wasn't worth the risk of doing it again.

 

[festy1986]

Just being realistic players like Judon are way more valuable than unknown 3rd Rd picks that bust more than succeed.

I can understand how things deteriorated to this point (injury, contract demands, sitting on trash cans, holding in) but I can't understand why fans would like it or prefer it. It's ridiculous.

Absolutely the chance of the player we get being anywhere near the value of Judon is pretty low.

I simply don't think Judon value going forward, giving the team position and roster, is more valuable to us than a 3rd round pick.

 

[PatsFan2]

Depends on who you ask here…much like Maye with the media.

Some say his accuracy has not been as expected, others that he’s been great.

My take was why take him there when you JUST guaranteed Cousins a bag. Plus Penix injury history scares me.

Thanks: I thought Him - McCarthy and Nix went waaay too early.

 

[lancerman]

I'm surprised that some people are that freaked out about this. This team was never going to be close to a contender and a guy with a pretty short shelf life was not a good investment unless your eally thought they were just going to have S tier drafts and free agencies this season and next season AND Maye works out. And even then some of the younger guys will take some time to develop.

This is what rebuilding teams do. They assess who is capable of being a core contributor for years down the line, who is going to likely not last in a reasonable time for them to create a window, cut the excess and try to build off what is left. As others have said, Judon is 32 and coming off an injury. He's not going to be a prime contributor 3 years from now. His best case scenario is that maybe he doesn't get killed by injuries and can be average-ish for a few years beyond that. But this idea that next year or really even the year after the Pats are going to snap back to contention is just wishful thinking.

A team like this is building for the future, not the right now.

 

[lancerman]

Absolutely the chance of the player we get being anywhere near the value of Judon is pretty low.

I simply don't think Judon value going forward, giving the team position and roster, is more valuable to us than a 3rd round pick.

This is the long and short of it. Let's say Judon is an All Pro at 32 years old coming off an injury. Okay.... That doesn't mean **** for us this year. He's not going to be a rock star at 34-35. So any money you spend trying to extend him is basically money you are wasting to have him for maybe 1 season if everything goes right, when you could end up using that on someone who comes up in free agency that you can steal from a team and be a contributor for 5-7 years when we are closer to having developed the team from the mess it became in recent years.

Judon is just throwing money at an unsalvageable situation that will be bad money by the time it could matter. If you could freeze Judon in ice for 3 years and pay him for 6 years and then get 3 years out of him, then sure, maybe that's useful to the team. If the third round pick is merely a solid contributor. He's a solid contributor when we actually have a window instead of a declining guy we are pushing more money into because we wanted to say we had a good aging player when it was irrelevent to our success.

 

[Sect140]

Now watch him get to Atlanta and fail his physical.

 

[RobertWeathers]

That's the Roster we currently have...V Lowe False Start - Chukwuma Okorafor false start another Third and Forever. That's what bad roster do make stupid mistakes and shoot themselves in the foot over and over.

Thanks..

FYI its preseason, training camp. New offensive system. New blocking schemes. New players and some are playing out of position.

 

[203Pat]

Yep. He has quite the balancing act to execute. One one hand he needs to be his own man and true to himself or the players will see right through him and revitalize a team which was in decline under BB. On the other hand, by dismissing anything BB-related he runs the risk of hurting his own still-in-development credibility with the team, the owner and fans.

I hope he incorporates the best of BB's philosophies of in-game, locker room and organizational ops but incorporates his own views, stays true to himself and the players play hard for him.

If we start seeing players dog-it and committing silly mistakes constantly or play sound football and play hard, one way or the other we'll have our answer.

Just gotta see it play out.

My main worry is that he is Pete Carroll following Bill Parcells. The "fun" guy after the disciplinarian. I remember that article that came out about 10 years ago where McGinest talked about how some of the more immature players knew they could get away with more under Carroll and didn't fear him the way they feared Parcells. With this being a young team and very devoid of any real player leadership outside of maybe David Andrews I just hope Mayo's message lands. Judon wasn't a cancer like Jack Jones or Trent Brown but when the best player on your team is engaged in a very public contract dispute it doesn't make things any easier on a first year head coach.

 

[PatsFan2]

Thanks..

FYI its preseason, training camp. New offensive system. New blocking schemes. New players and some are playing out of position.

Mac Joes and the Offense sucked last Preseason but you would say it's just preseason funny how his sucking carried over in the regular season.

 

[PatsFan2]

Now watch him get to Atlanta and fail his physical.

That Judon might get sent back??

 

[signbabybrady]

I'm surprised that some people are that freaked out about this. This team was never going to be close to a contender and a guy with a pretty short shelf life was not a good investment unless your eally thought they were just going to have S tier drafts and free agencies this season and next season AND Maye works out. And even then some of the younger guys will take some time to develop.

This is what rebuilding teams do. They assess who is capable of being a core contributor for years down the line, who is going to likely not last in a reasonable time for them to create a window, cut the excess and try to build off what is left. As others have said, Judon is 32 and coming off an injury. He's not going to be a prime contributor 3 years from now. His best case scenario is that maybe he doesn't get killed by injuries and can be average-ish for a few years beyond that. But this idea that next year or really even the year after the Pats are going to snap back to contention is just wishful thinking.

A team like this is building for the future, not the right now.

If this was what occurred why did it happen in August? This assessment should of went down in February.

 

[Sicilian]

That Judon might get sent back??

Yeah... that wouldn't be a good thing. If he was disgruntled then, there's no way they salvage that relationship after trading him. It's done dude, best to move on.

 

[lancerman]

If this was what occurred why did it happen in August? This assessment should of went down in February.

Why does it matter? They weren't going to magically get more in February for him and they didn't know where they would be at after the free agency and draft. There was every possibility that a bunch of studs we could snag up would hit free agency, we'd have a dynamite draft, Maye would look like a mega star in training camp, and then you start thinking "hmmm maybe we do want to have Judon around just in case we turned this around faster than we thought". That didn't happen, they saw what his negotiating stance was and weighed it in relation to the team and decided a 3rd was better than paying for a guy who wasn't going to be relevant when they had any shot at winning.

They weren't getting a 2nd or more for a 32 year old who needed a contract.