Report: Patriots Sign Nick Caserio to Contract Extension

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DarrylS

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Isn't it kind of hard to have great drafts when always picking near the end of every round, year after year?
And every once and a while Goodell takes one or some other such nonsense..
 

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One of the things the Pats do well is have consistency and upward movement within, so familiarity with each other and their philosophy is beneficial for the organization and the players...

Guys like Dante(now retired), Ivan Fears, McDaniels and to a lesser extent Steven Belichick point to coaching consistency.. coupled with an obvious meritocracy benefits this team.
 

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If I were saying it in order to buttress the authority, you'd have a point. However, since I'm merely pointing out that we've gone over this a million freakin' times, you don't. In this case, repetition is not needed to somehow prop up common sense. In this case, the hope is that people's use of common sense will allow me to avoid further repetition.

The reality of any straight (as in no messing with the order as rounds go by) is that the advantage that the first selectors gets applies specifically to their first pick. In other words, the Bengals get a huge advantage because they've got the first pick in the draft. BUT, once they've picked, they now have to wait until every other team selects, before it's their turn again, and they now have one fewer pick in the draft than every other team. In other words, the significance about a stagnant draft is that "best chance to have a great draft from here on out" slides from first to last as the earlier picks fall off the board.

The impact of draft position remains significant, because it determines who gets to choose from the largest pool of talent and, particularly, who gets to choose from those generally thought to be the likeliest prospects for superior careers. But just as the first pick of the draft is better than the second, so too is the 32nd pick in the draft better than the 33rd. Or, to put it in other words:

Only the Cardinals had the chance to drafty Kyler Murray, but all 32 NFL teams had (barring trades and lost picks) the chance to draft every single available player from N'Keal Harry (who was taken at #32) to Caleb Wilson (final pick in the draft).
It just seems like an awful lot of calisthenics you have to do to make a questionable point. No matter how you break down the rounds, the team picking 32nd loses out on the ability to pick 14% of the available talent pool. In a league that does everything it can to achieve parity, and the difference between winning and losing is razor-thin, that's not nothing.
 

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To repeat, yet again, draft order only matters until you make your first pick of the first round. Once you're making the pick, YOU have the best draft picks in the draft from then on.
And then the very next pick, the team that had the first overall pick once again has the best draft position. This is a weird statistical game you're playing.

Picking at the end of the round, every round, raises the average position of every pick you make. That 100% has an impact.
 

ChrisR2223

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So the article about Caserio says he's the one who conducts the WR tryouts and scouts them at pro days and so forth.
I guess it's the Devil you know vs the devil you don't.
 

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Their drafts from 2005-2009 were atrocious. Floyd Reese built the foundation for the next championship run. Their drafts have been subpar to say the least since he left.
Floyd Reese??? You realize he was only in charge of the contracts themselves — he was here to help Caserio get used to all the legal red tape, etc. The actual scouting was all Nick and his staff.

The big guy gets a voice too, of course. There was a long form article back in 2017 stating BB had reached a point in his life where he only wanted to coach players he liked. This means that wasn’t the case previously. That change in attitude certainly would be reflected in who he selects to draft.
 

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Take your metric system propaganda and gtfo of here. He has tons of experience. What’s next - how many meters will the defense allow in 2020?
Heehee, sorry. I sometimes forget most of you guys live in a place that uses an ancient king’s measurement and voodoo... what are those riddles you guys memorize to remember while we add zeros ?
 

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The reality of any straight (as in no messing with the order as rounds go by) is that the advantage that the first selectors gets applies specifically to their first pick. In other words, the Bengals get a huge advantage because they've got the first pick in the draft. BUT, once they've picked, they now have to wait until every other team selects, before it's their turn again, and they now have one fewer pick in the draft than every other team. In other words, the significance about a stagnant draft is that "best chance to have a great draft from here on out" slides from first to last as the earlier picks fall off the board.

The impact of draft position remains significant, because it determines who gets to choose from the largest pool of talent and, particularly, who gets to choose from those generally thought to be the likeliest prospects for superior careers. But just as the first pick of the draft is better than the second, so too is the 32nd pick in the draft better than the 33rd. Or, to put it in other words:

Only the Cardinals had the chance to drafty Kyler Murray, but all 32 NFL teams had (barring trades and lost picks) the chance to draft every single available player from N'Keal Harry (who was taken at #32) to Caleb Wilson (final pick in the draft).
That's just a reverse way of looking at it and doesn't work in application. Your choices among top available prospects are fewer picking last in each round -- each team ahead of you has more "talent" to choose from. Otherwise, picks wouldn't be weighted in value and teams wouldn't trade multiple picks to move up.

Example: let's say there are 96 players available to be drafted over three rounds. The team picking last in the first round gets to choose from among 65 players in the first round, 33 players in the second round, and one player in the third round. The available talent pool is significantly less picking last.
 
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Heehee, sorry. I sometimes forget most of you guys live in a place that uses an ancient king’s measurement and voodoo... what are those riddles you guys memorize to remember while we add zeros ?
You just need to bookmark this and always keep the page open, at all times (need a separate smart phone due to heavy processing burden.). It’s almost like having type 1 diabetes.

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sportnik

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Their drafts from 2005-2009 were atrocious. Floyd Reese built the foundation for the next championship run. Their drafts have been subpar to say the least since he left.
We’ve hit rock bottom when there are people on this board that honestly think Floyd Reese was the architect behind the Pats dynasty.

The facts are that Reese was brought in to help negotiate contracts and didn’t have any role in the draft. BB has had final say on the draft for the past 20 years, for all the good drafts and all the bad ones.

They just happened to have one year (17) with no virtually no picks and the players from the last two drafts haven’t had sufficient time to develop.

People love to fantasize about the stellar 2009 draft, but in 2011 it didn’t look so hot. Chung was struggling and didn’t reach his potential until he came back in 2014 and Edelman was a backup WR who couldn’t stay healthy. At the time, it looked like the only hit out of the 11 picks in that draft was Vollmer.

The Pats do an exceptional job developing their talent. In 5 years the 19 draft is going to look much better and this board will be going nuts over the failings of the 24 draft class.
 

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We’ve hit rock bottom when there are people on this board that honestly think Floyd Reese was the architect behind the Pats dynasty.

The facts are that Reese was brought in to help negotiate contracts and didn’t have any role in the draft. BB has had final say on the draft for the past 20 years, for all the good drafts and all the bad ones.

They just happened to have one year (17) with no virtually no picks and the players from the last two drafts haven’t had sufficient time to develop.

People love to fantasize about the stellar 2009 draft, but in 2011 it didn’t look so hot. Chung was struggling and didn’t reach his potential until he came back in 2014 and Edelman was a backup WR who couldn’t stay healthy. At the time, it looked like the only hit out of the 11 picks in that draft was Vollmer.

The Pats do an exceptional job developing their talent. In 5 years the 19 draft is going to look much better and this board will be going nuts over the failings of the 24 draft class.
Chung was an admitted coaching error on their part, but take your point otherwise.
 

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Floyd Reese??? You realize he was only in charge of the contracts themselves — he was here to help Caserio get used to all the legal red tape, etc. The actual scouting was all Nick and his staff.

The big guy gets a voice too, of course. There was a long form article back in 2017 stating BB had reached a point in his life where he only wanted to coach players he liked. This means that wasn’t the case previously. That change in attitude certainly would be reflected in who he selects to draft.
We’ve hit rock bottom when there are people on this board that honestly think Floyd Reese was the architect behind the Pats dynasty.

The facts are that Reese was brought in to help negotiate contracts and didn’t have any role in the draft. BB has had final say on the draft for the past 20 years, for all the good drafts and all the bad ones.

They just happened to have one year (17) with no virtually no picks and the players from the last two drafts haven’t had sufficient time to develop.

People love to fantasize about the stellar 2009 draft, but in 2011 it didn’t look so hot. Chung was struggling and didn’t reach his potential until he came back in 2014 and Edelman was a backup WR who couldn’t stay healthy. At the time, it looked like the only hit out of the 11 picks in that draft was Vollmer.

The Pats do an exceptional job developing their talent. In 5 years the 19 draft is going to look much better and this board will be going nuts over the failings of the 24 draft class.
I stand corrected. We all make mistakes sometimes. I was under the impression he was helping with drafting as he was GM for the Titans.

Sources: Pats adviser Reese not expected back
 
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