Report: Brady tried to push Belichick out for Bill O'Brien

[sb1]

LOL Brady himself said that if it weren't for the tuck rule he would have been Bledsoe's backup in 2002 and possibly off the team, so let's not act as if Brady would have proceeded to win multiple super bowls if Belichick cut him or he were drafted by another team. Brady was fortunate to play in a system well-suited for him for 20 years and to take that system to Tampa.

Belichick was fortunate to have Brady.

Without Brady Bill is probably fired from NE in 2003 and he probably never gets a HC job again as he would then be a 2 time failed head coach with a temperament that rubs a lot of people the wrong way. But I think he does find a DC job and sticks there and does really well. That's always been his passion. Maybe with his favorite team the Giants.

 

[sb1]

He wouldn't have been the backup and I don't recall him saying he was going to get cut had they lost. Lol. He was just being respectful to Drew. Brady did have a funny Freudian slip and say to Charles Woodson it was a fumble. They both had a laugh.

You were pretty bad in during the 2020 season downplaying everything and then predicting loses throughout the playoffs.

I was very negative on Brady too after he left but I got over it. Was just angry at how the whole thing went down. It was way too hard not to appreciate a once in a lifetime player that gave me so many memories as a Pats fan that no other fanbase will ever know or enjoy. It's nice that other fans and people across the league are finally starting to enjoy him too as much as we all have.

 

[Boomer B]

No I didn’t

Timmy, here are some of your posts in the Bucs 2020 Thread, all before week 2 of the season. Has one poster been more wrong as Mac10 (Little Timmy)?

pg 10 Biggest concern for the Bucs would be their offensive line, which is average at best. Tom no longer has Scarnecchia protecting him...

pg 18 I feel bad for Brady, but I'm not sure what he's trying to prove in attempting to win #7 at the age of 43. All summer people blamed Bill for the lack of talent around Brady for his 2019 decline. However, it's clear Bill was right all along.

pg 26 He hasn't had a great season since 2017, so it is up to him to show everyone he can still play at age 43. However, the hype surrounding him was nothing that I've ever seen. People literally were talking Super Bowl with this Tampa team. Chris Godwin, their receiver, said giving up his number 12 jersey was worth it if it gets him 2-3 rings. They are that delusional.

pg 27 Brady's decline, according to some, was supposedly due to Belichick not getting him enough weapons when Tom has been winning rings his entire career without weapons. I would say Belichick got it right in letting Brady go.

pg 36 Tampa's line sucks, particularly at LT. And Dante Scarrnecchia isn't there to protect him anymore. As far as Manning is concerned, it took him 4 years to win a title in Denver and he was 36 when he got there. Brady doesn't have that luxury.

pg 36 He's not going to be a 30 TD guy at his age.

pg 37 He's too proud to admit he can't fling the ball around anymore.

pg 37 If Brady wants to win in Tampa, he has to realize he's a game manager at this point.

pg 42 There was a definite drop from 2017 to 2018 and from 2018 to 2019. I wouldn't call it a cliff, but more like a ravine...

pg 42 I don't think they can match up with the Chiefs, Ravens, Saints, Seahawks, Packers, Steelers, etc.

 

[crawhammer]

I love Brady, he’s the GOAT, but I am so f*cking sick of the same people in this forum trying to revisit the Brady years at every possible chance. He’s gone, deal with it, go f*cking root for Tampa Bay again, go talk about him in the forum Ian gave you, just STFU in this forum about Brady and Belichick. It’s old news, give it a break.

You are perpetuating the conversation.

Unfortunately for you the Brady vs Belichick debate will outlast the both of us.

Belichick took a garbage team in Cleveland and was building a great organization when Modell ripped it out from under him. He went 11-5 with a QB who hadn’t played since high school( Cassel), and he had the Patriots back in the playoffs with a rookie QB after 1 season without Brady.

Go take a look at the coaching and personnel staff Belichick had put together in Cleveland and tell us it wasn’t going somewhere good. Hell just Ozzie Newsome went to Baltimore and became one of the best GM’s in football, That staff was loaded.

If I reply to everything you packed into that post then I would get booted from the thread so I'll summarize:

1. Cleveland finished out the 1995 season on a 2-10 skid. Belichick left the team in complete disarray... 4-12 in 1996 and it wasn't until the Super Bowl winning season of 2000 that they would get back over .500. From 1991-1999 the Cleveland/Baltimore teams had one winning season.
2. The 11-5 2008 season is the most overrated thing ever attributed to Belichick. They nearly went undefeated the season prior with essentially the same team... the only significant difference was the quarterback.
3. The playoff game vs Buffalo obviously was a complete disaster... however, making the postseason counts for something, so congratulations, now let's see if the team continues to ascend. That's the objective.

LOL Brady himself said that if it weren't for the tuck rule he would have been Bledsoe's backup in 2002 and possibly off the team, so let's not act as if Brady would have proceeded to win multiple super bowls if Belichick cut him or he were drafted by another team. Brady was fortunate to play in a system well-suited for him for 20 years and to take that system to Tampa.

So you're saying Belichick has incredibly poor judgment? Tuck rule or not, I highly doubt Belichick was ever going back to Bledsoe.

The system argument is embarrassing. No one can legitimately argue Brady is merely a product of a system.

Hahaha..what a loser! Before his initial Buc season you were telling everyone how the Bucs sucked, Brady would get killed behind their line, that he wouldn't sniff the playoffs, let alone a SB. After he wins it all you do is post excuses. You're pathetic Timmy.

No doubt that's true. Brady wins another Super Bowl with a new team and another head coach and he's still saying he's a system quarterback.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

He wouldn't have been the backup and I don't recall him saying he was going to get cut had they lost. Lol. He was just being respectful to Drew. Brady did have a funny Freudian slip and say to Charles Woodson it was a fumble. They both had a laugh.

You were pretty bad in during the 2020 season downplaying everything and then predicting loses throughout the playoffs.

I am just telling you what he said.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Timmy, here are some of your posts in the Bucs 2020 Thread, all before week 2 of the season. Has one poster been more wrong as Mac10 (Little Timmy)?

pg 10 Biggest concern for the Bucs would be their offensive line, which is average at best. Tom no longer has Scarnecchia protecting him...

pg 18 I feel bad for Brady, but I'm not sure what he's trying to prove in attempting to win #7 at the age of 43. All summer people blamed Bill for the lack of talent around Brady for his 2019 decline. However, it's clear Bill was right all along.

pg 26 He hasn't had a great season since 2017, so it is up to him to show everyone he can still play at age 43. However, the hype surrounding him was nothing that I've ever seen. People literally were talking Super Bowl with this Tampa team. Chris Godwin, their receiver, said giving up his number 12 jersey was worth it if it gets him 2-3 rings. They are that delusional.

pg 27 Brady's decline, according to some, was supposedly due to Belichick not getting him enough weapons when Tom has been winning rings his entire career without weapons. I would say Belichick got it right in letting Brady go.

pg 36 Tampa's line sucks, particularly at LT. And Dante Scarrnecchia isn't there to protect him anymore. As far as Manning is concerned, it took him 4 years to win a title in Denver and he was 36 when he got there. Brady doesn't have that luxury.

pg 36 He's not going to be a 30 TD guy at his age.

pg 37 He's too proud to admit he can't fling the ball around anymore.

pg 37 If Brady wants to win in Tampa, he has to realize he's a game manager at this point.

pg 42 There was a definite drop from 2017 to 2018 and from 2018 to 2019. I wouldn't call it a cliff, but more like a ravine...

pg 42 I don't think they can match up with the Chiefs, Ravens, Saints, Seahawks, Packers, Steelers, etc.

I was definitely knocking the Bucs around...I'm not denying that. But I never said they definitely wouldn't win a super bowl. I didn't realize the they would face Taylor Henicke in round 1, Drew brees with busted ribs in round 2, and the Chiefs with their starting tackles missing in round 4. And yeah, their o-line wasn't great. They just got lucky they didn't have to face a team like the Rams in the postseason. That line crumbled in a number of games in 2020 and 2021.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Belichick was fortunate to have Brady.

Without Brady Bill is probably fired from NE in 2003 and he probably never gets a HC job again as he would then be a 2 time failed head coach with a temperament that rubs a lot of people the wrong way. But I think he does find a DC job and sticks there and does really well. That's always been his passion. Maybe with his favorite team the Giants.

Brady would have been selling insurance in Papa Brady's company if it weren't for Bill. Bill drafted and developed him into what he is today. Brady was so bad in college that he ended up being a 6th round pick.

 

[venecol]

For the record @mods the OP that started this thread doesn't post on the Brady forum. The results are predictable. I'm sure those that follow Brady will be the only ones blamed for this sh*t show.

 

[sb1]

Brady would have been selling insurance in Papa Brady's company if it weren't for Bill. Bill drafted and developed him into what he is today. Brady was so bad in college that he ended up being a 6th round pick.

He was?

 

[irishfanatic]

What a pure **** up the fan base of our preferred team has become on this site.

 

[203Pat]

I admire your ability to selectively pick facts to support a certain perspective. There are jobs available for people like you.

What is selective? He picked playoff wins apart from each other? If anything Bill has had way more of a chance to win playoff games without Brady than Brady has without Bill.

 

[203Pat]

He was?

Don't even engage that clown.

 

[moosekill]

Brady wouldn't have made a team without Bill, so kind of just stating facts. He was drafted in the 6th round, no one wanted him. The Patriots took a flier with him then kept him with 3 other qb's. No other team is going to do that, so the only reason Tom Brady could ever become the GOAT was because Bill saw something in him and gave him a chance to become what he became.

Truth kinda hurts doesn’t it.

 

[crawhammer]

I was definitely knocking the Bucs around...I'm not denying that. But I never said they definitely wouldn't win a super bowl. I didn't realize the they would face Taylor Henicke in round 1, Drew brees with busted ribs in round 2, and the Chiefs with their starting tackles missing in round 4. And yeah, their o-line wasn't great. They just got lucky they didn't have to face a team like the Rams in the postseason. That line crumbled in a number of games in 2020 and 2021.

Several different ways you said their o-line sucked, which is 100% incorrect.

You said they didn't matchup well with the last three teams - Saints, Packers & Chiefs - they beat on route to their Super Bowl title.

You said Brady wouldn't have the luxury of 4 years to win a Super Bowl in Tampa Bay.

You said Brady wouldn't reach 30 TDs... 40 twice.

You literally said Brady couldn't throw a football anymore.

Your ignorance is stunning.

Brady would have been selling insurance in Papa Brady's company if it weren't for Bill. Bill drafted and developed him into what he is today. Brady was so bad in college that he ended up being a 6th round pick.

Brady was 20-5 as a starter at Michigan. He beat Alabama in the Rose Bowl, leading Michigan back from two 14-point deficits... 34-46 for 369 and 4 TDs.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

Why can't we just admit the two combined are the best ever, I know these guys have egos but us as fans should look at it differently. TB has got a big head since he won with Tampa, we can admit that too, but he's the best ever.

 

[TheRainMaker]

I am just telling you what he said.

I know that's what he said. And as I said before, he was just being respectful to Drew Bledsoe.

 

[PatsWSB47]

Brady would have been selling insurance in Papa Brady's company if it weren't for Bill. Bill drafted and developed him into what he is today. Brady was so bad in college that he ended up being a 6th round pick.

I was going to say that's one of the dumbest takes you've ever had but then I remembered that virtually all your Brady takes are just as dumb. Pretty much the whole sports world have opposite takes from you. Jeezus. Troll with every post. Please stop.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Timmy, here are some of your posts in the Bucs 2020 Thread, all before week 2 of the season. Has one poster been more wrong as Mac10 (Little Timmy)?

pg 10 Biggest concern for the Bucs would be their offensive line, which is average at best. Tom no longer has Scarnecchia protecting him...

pg 18 I feel bad for Brady, but I'm not sure what he's trying to prove in attempting to win #7 at the age of 43. All summer people blamed Bill for the lack of talent around Brady for his 2019 decline. However, it's clear Bill was right all along.

pg 26 He hasn't had a great season since 2017, so it is up to him to show everyone he can still play at age 43. However, the hype surrounding him was nothing that I've ever seen. People literally were talking Super Bowl with this Tampa team. Chris Godwin, their receiver, said giving up his number 12 jersey was worth it if it gets him 2-3 rings. They are that delusional.

pg 27 Brady's decline, according to some, was supposedly due to Belichick not getting him enough weapons when Tom has been winning rings his entire career without weapons. I would say Belichick got it right in letting Brady go.

pg 36 Tampa's line sucks, particularly at LT. And Dante Scarrnecchia isn't there to protect him anymore. As far as Manning is concerned, it took him 4 years to win a title in Denver and he was 36 when he got there. Brady doesn't have that luxury.

pg 36 He's not going to be a 30 TD guy at his age.

pg 37 He's too proud to admit he can't fling the ball around anymore.

pg 37 If Brady wants to win in Tampa, he has to realize he's a game manager at this point.

pg 42 There was a definite drop from 2017 to 2018 and from 2018 to 2019. I wouldn't call it a cliff, but more like a ravine...

pg 42 I don't think they can match up with the Chiefs, Ravens, Saints, Seahawks, Packers, Steelers, etc.

You should try posting some of the things I said this past year about the Bucs…you’ll find them to be more accurate

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Brady was 20-5 as a starter at Michigan. He beat Alabama in the Rose Bowl, leading Michigan back from two 14-point deficits... 34-46 for 369 and 4 TDs.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

He was?

Most michigan fans will tell you he was nothing special.