Report: Brady tried to push Belichick out for Bill O'Brien

[crawhammer]

I respectfully disagree. I think the 2018 Patriots were the weakest of the 9 SB teams of the Brady/Belichick era - and yes I say that knowing full well they won the SB that year.

The 2011 defense was pretty bad... the defenses from 2010-2012 completely wasted some pretty intense seasons from the Patriots offense.

 

[XLIX]

Nah. I'll give you they are sixth out of the six who won. They beat the Chiefs on the road in a shootout. The 2011s needed a dropped TD and shanked FG to win. They had the game lost vs Ravens.

ha ha I love that shank!! Couldn't have happened to a nicer team.

I made a post recently in this forum about everything that went wrong for Baltimore on that play. TLDR version: The coaching staff were morons for not calling a time out. The offense - especially the kicker - just wasn't ready. Post #18:

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[Joker]

Not sure what being a season ticket holder has to do with it? I'm one too, then and now. The majority of what I posted was factual information so maybe your beef is with NFL statisticians.

The '96 and '97 Patriots seasons weren't that different. Won the division, lost in the postseason with a flurry of mistakes from Bledsoe. The offense got a little worse while the defense got a little better.

The Patriots defenses only got consistently good around 2003. From then until 2009 they only had one season where they weren't in the top 10 mix (2005). Some of the defenses from 2010 and beyond were bad but mostly inconsistent with a few exceptions (that 2014 defense in particular was probably better than the numbers showed).

However, from 1988 to 2002, the only Patriots defense to finish in the top10 in both scoring and yards was Carroll's '99 squad. That's just a fact. It's also true that in Carroll's last season the defense ranked 8th and in Belichick's first three seasons they ranked 20th, 24th & 23rd... those are all worse than 8th, correct?

Again, Carroll will not make the Mount Rushmore of NE head coaches, but he wasn't the worst either. He didn't fair well with his drafts for sure, although he did draft Kevin Faulk. I think people forget about all of the great Patriots drafted during the Parcells years: Curtis Martin, Troy Brown, Willie McGinest, Ted Johnson, Tedy Bruschi, Lawyer Milloy & Ty Law... all but Martin were significant contributors to the Patriots Dynasty 1.0.


Brady has 6 INTs and 3 FL in his 10 Super Bowl appearances but as opposed to simply looking that up you lie.

Brady has 421 pass attempts in the Super Bowl. Peyton Manning is second with 155. So that puts Brady 266 ahead of second. Despite that he's only t-4th for most INTs with 6. Elway has the most with 8 INTs. Brady's INT% in the SB is 1.4%, which is exceptional. Compared with HOFers Tarkenton (6.7%), Elway (5.3%), Staubach (4.1%), Kelly (4.8%), and Peyton Manning (3.2%). Right, Montana's INT% in the SB is 0.0, which is an outstanding accomplishment, but he also had 299 fewer pass attempts than Brady. I'll take the 1.4 INT% with the 3 additional rings.

Carroll didn't make any draft choices...Bobby Grier did. The rest of your supposed "truth" I find hard to believe. Pete the Cleaner couldn't go out the door fast enough by the end of his 3rd season, he was given a playoff team and coached it into the gutter. Krist, what are you, related to the azzole?

 

[crawhammer]

You forgot Brady's intentional grounding in the endzone in SB 46, which of course resulted in a turnover. So that's 10.

Wrong! A safety is not considered a turnover.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Wrong! A safety is not considered a turnover.

Ok, i's worse...you give up 2 points and give the ball back to the other team. Biggest blunder in Brady's SB career.

 

[crawhammer]

Carroll didn't make any draft choices...Bobby Grier did. The rest of your supposed "truth" I find hard to believe. Pete the Cleaner couldn't go out the door fast enough by the end of his 3rd season, he was given a playoff team and coached it into the gutter. Krist, what are you, related to the azzole?

Oh good, then we can stop blaming Carroll for the bad drafts.

 

[crawhammer]

Ok, i's worse...you give up 2 points and give the ball back to the other team. Biggest blunder in Brady's SB career.

Bad call.

 

[StockingAnarchyNumber12]

better than being a transgender

Someone needs to really ban this guy

 

[upstater1]

Pete Carroll was so bad in New England that the players actually ignored him during games when he tried to coach them. They'd just walk away. Terry Glenn and Bledsoe basically showed him no respect.

I'm not saying the players were in the right, but it was a hard thing to watch the head coach being openly dismissed by the players.

 

[Joker]

Oh good, then we can stop blaming Carroll for the bad drafts.

Oh good, you admit you don't know what you're talking about and you admit you are oblivious to Carroll's absolute ineptitude as head coach of the NEP.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Brady is the GOAT, and I still root for him, but he’s not in the Patriots any more, so it’s not threads about “ one of our own players.” That said the people doing the posting were using Brady as a pretext to sh.t perpetually on Belichick and the current team’s, as well as constantly calling for Belichick to be fired. Ian was good enough to provide you guys with a forum to discuss that, but instead you insist on bringing it back into the Patriots forum, where it no longer belongs.

Shouldn’t you be complaining about the guy who started this thread, an epic Belichick stan, rather than complaining about the people responding to a thread on the main forum? Or do “the real Patriots fans” get a free pass? The Brady fans have stopped creating these threads on the main forum for a long time. This is one of the biggest Brady haters on the forum attempting to cast stones…and somehow you’re pointing fingers at those who are pushing back.

 

[Pape]

Before Wentz injury: 31 points a game.
After (not including the SB): 21 points a game.

With Wentz they were very good. Not nearly as much with Foles.

the philly offense turned a corner in the vikings game in the conference championship and never looked back.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Shouldn’t you be complaining about the guy who started this thread, an epic Belichick stan, rather than complaining about the people responding to a thread on the main forum? Or do “the real Patriots fans” get a free pass? The Brady fans have stopped creating these threads on the main forum for a long time. This is one of the biggest Brady haters on the forum attempting to cast stones…and somehow you’re pointing fingers at those who are pushing back.

I initially just responded to the report and never considered whether the OP was or wasn’t one of the people who routinely troll this forum. When it turned into another Belichick sucks thread, by those Bucs fans who hammer that agenda I responded to that agenda. The problem isn’t someone saying something about Brady, the problem is those who see that as yet another opportunity for the Belichick haters to turn it into yet another “ Belichick sucks “ thread.

Truth be told I wanted Belichick to stop being such a d.ck to players like Brady and Gronkowski, they deserved better. And I wanted Brady to finish sh his career as a Patriot. But the time came where Brady had enough and wanted out, and I don’t blame him. I was happy he won another ring, and I’ll be rooting for him if he gets that chance again this season, as long as it isn’t against the Patriots, which looks very likely this season

I think Belichick is an @sshole, and I don’t like the way he treats people, period. But I also think that he’s the best coach in pro sports, period, and the GOAT of NFL coaches. I think the narrative that it was all Brady, and Belichick sucks and should be fired is absolute horsesh.t. But the bottom line is is now old news.Brady is going into his third year in Tampa Bay, the Patriots are a different team with a different young QB, and Brady no longer has any relevance to this team, so it’s time for those people who keep banging that drum to do it elsewhere, because it has absolutely nothing to do with this team and it’s future, Critizi g Belichick for his current moves is absolutely fine, it’s relevant and part of the ongoing discussion about this team, but revisiting the Brady/Belichick split is old f.cking news, and I’m really sure that most here are sick to death of it.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

I initially just responded to the report and never considered whether the OP was or wasn’t one of the people who routinely troll this forum. When it turned into another Belichick sucks thread, by those Bucs fans who hammer that agenda I responded to that agenda. The problem isn’t someone saying something about Brady, the problem is those who see that as yet another opportunity for the Belichick haters to turn it into yet another “ Belichick sucks “ thread.

Truth be told I wanted Belichick to stop being such a d.ck to players like Brady and Gronkowski, they deserved better. And I wanted Brady to finish sh his career as a Patriot. But the time came where Brady had enough and wanted out, and I don’t blame him. I was happy he won another ring, and I’ll be rooting for him if he gets that chance again this season, as long as it isn’t against the Patriots, which looks very likely this season

I think Belichick is an @sshole, and I don’t like the way he treats people, period. But I also think that he’s the best coach in pro sports, period, and the GOAT of NFL coaches. I think the narrative that it was all Brady, and Belichick sucks and should be fired is absolute horsesh.t. But the bottom line is is now old news.Brady is going into his third year in Tampa Bay, the Patriots are a different team with a different young QB, and Brady no longer has any relevance to this team, so it’s time for those people who keep banging that drum to do it elsewhere, because it has absolutely nothing to do with this team and it’s future, Critizi g Belichick for his current moves is absolutely fine, it’s relevant and part of the ongoing discussion about this team, but revisiting the Brady/Belichick split is old f.cking news, and I’m really sure that most here are sick to death of it.

I agree with basically everything you’ve written here. The Belichick-Brady rift reached a boiling point leading up to the Pats-Bucs game last year, and after that I think most people here see it as redundant…not to say an occassional comment or point is off limits.

But I also think there’s (at least) an equal amount of force coming from the pro-Bill crowd that simply cannot drop this obsession.

 

[Joker]

I agree with basically everything you’ve written here. The Belichick-Brady rift reached a boiling point leading up to the Pats-Bucs game last year, and after that I think most people here see it as redundant…not to say an occassional comment or point is off limits.

But I also think there’s (at least) an equal amount of force coming from the pro-Bill crowd that simply cannot drop this obsession.

nah...it's the obsession with an obsession that makes the crowd perpetually obsessed...

 

[Biffins]

Bb had rings before Brady. Next idiotic post?

No. Parcells had them before not BB. Just like Josh McD, Romeo Crennel, Charlie Weis, Matt Patricia also has none….. as HC.

Noone is calling Matt Patricia a genius for Patriots’ rings.

 

[Biffins]

I initially just responded to the report and never considered whether the OP was or wasn’t one of the people who routinely troll this forum. When it turned into another Belichick sucks thread, by those Bucs fans who hammer that agenda I responded to that agenda. The problem isn’t someone saying something about Brady, the problem is those who see that as yet another opportunity for the Belichick haters to turn it into yet another “ Belichick sucks “ thread.

Truth be told I wanted Belichick to stop being such a d.ck to players like Brady and Gronkowski, they deserved better. And I wanted Brady to finish sh his career as a Patriot. But the time came where Brady had enough and wanted out, and I don’t blame him. I was happy he won another ring, and I’ll be rooting for him if he gets that chance again this season, as long as it isn’t against the Patriots, which looks very likely this season

I think Belichick is an @sshole, and I don’t like the way he treats people, period. But I also think that he’s the best coach in pro sports, period, and the GOAT of NFL coaches. I think the narrative that it was all Brady, and Belichick sucks and should be fired is absolute horsesh.t. But the bottom line is is now old news.Brady is going into his third year in Tampa Bay, the Patriots are a different team with a different young QB, and Brady no longer has any relevance to this team, so it’s time for those people who keep banging that drum to do it elsewhere, because it has absolutely nothing to do with this team and it’s future, Critizi g Belichick for his current moves is absolutely fine, it’s relevant and part of the ongoing discussion about this team, but revisiting the Brady/Belichick split is old f.cking news, and I’m really sure that most here are sick to death of it.

All this makes perfect sense.

 

[Biffins]

I agree with basically everything you’ve written here. The Belichick-Brady rift reached a boiling point leading up to the Pats-Bucs game last year, and after that I think most people here see it as redundant…not to say an occassional comment or point is off limits.

But I also think there’s (at least) an equal amount of force coming from the pro-Bill crowd that simply cannot drop this obsession.

Yes one cannot deny that pro-BB supporters have an agenda as well, to tarnish Brady’s contributions and burnish BB’s legacy. It’s not just pro-Brady crowd using every opportunity to critisize BB

 

[Huckleberry1]

I think Hernandez had HOF potential. That may not be a stretch. Best 1-2 TE tandem in NFL history for sure.

Question MahomestoKelce:

The Chiefs haven’t won a Super Bowl in *forevever *( fairweather fan time ), do Chiefs fans think that Reid and Mahomes suck, and Hunt should sell the team? Or are they just blind homers?

 

[Huckleberry1]

Yes one cannot deny that pro-BB supporters have an agenda as well, to tarnish Brady’s contributions and burnish BB’s legacy. It’s not just pro-Brady crowd using every opportunity to critisize BB

Brady is the greatest player in NFL history, and he has 7 Rings to prove it. Like Belichick only a f*cking moron would try to tarnish his achievements.

I had a long argument with Bernard Pollard a few years ago when he tried to claim that Manning was the greatest QB of all time, and that Brady was just a product of Belichick’s system. He tried to play the “ I’m a player, so I know” card, but the evidence was so overwhelming that Brady was the GOAT that it was easy to knock his sh.tty arguments down. My favorite, however, was when he claimed that Brady could never do what Manning did, go elsewhere and win with another team. That aged well, even though it wasn’t necessary because Manning’s performance that season, and in those playoffs was as bad as it gets.