Remember Wolf isn't a GM, hes a talent scout

[DaBruinz]

2 WR
2 QB
1 OT
1 CB

Those were our needs and they added a guard.

A CB that can't change direction isn't a Need. Sorry.
2 QBs were not a NEED.
Neither were 2 WR.

 

[BTTA]

Where did you see this analysis? Do you have a link?

Sorry, not anymore. But there are multiple sites that run draft stats that track success rates, with different definitions for success. The "bust rate" in the draft is very high. We get all excited about the draft but it isn't nearly as significant as they'd like us all to think.

 

[AQPE]

lol there’s Noway you from around here
It’s a New England thing.. weather sucks, the Pike sucks, traffic sucks, Sox suck, tourists suck, Bourne bridge sucks, Lynn sucks, north shore sucks can’t get to it, New Yorkers suck, Yankees suck , you suck…

Curious to know which of those things aren’t true, other than the “you suck” and the “etc.”

 

[cmasspatsfan]

That is not completely true. Kraft has said that BB did not have complete control until about 2005/2006, and there was a big shift, "different approach", starting in 2021 as well.

Robert Kraft says New England Patriots changing approach to NFL draft after recent misses contributed to free-agent spending spree

Patriots owner Robert Kraft, who spent an NFL-record $165 million in guaranteed money in free agency, said the team's recent drafts have fallen short and that he's seen a "different approach" this year that he hopes will lead to sustained success.

www.espn.com

Right, so that was 18-19 years he was in control and as we've heard, didn't always listen to the other guys.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Right, so that was 18-19 years he was in control and as we've heard, didn't always listen to the other guys.

Yes but 2021 and 2022 were supposed to be better after the change and I am not sure there was any improvement. I think 2023 might have been a great draft.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

Yes but 2021 and 2022 were supposed to be better after the change and I am not sure there was any improvement. I think 2023 might have been a great draft.

Time will tell.

 

[vicspats]

Curious to know which of those things aren’t true, other than the “you suck” and the “etc.”

Honestly? New England is the best part of the country. Bar none. Traffic in California sucks waaaayyyy worse. Weather in Texas is unbelievable!! Tornadoes with hail the size of softballs. Love New York City in the summer, winter time they are ruder than us. Florida prices have tripled in three years, plus no one speaks English there. Unbelievable how ice affects the Carolinas in the spring, and the gun violence is insane. Got caught up in the middle of gun fire at a red light in Durham once. Midwest big city crime is a war zone. Colorado has us by a mile scenery wise, but they all loaded up with illegals and crime. Arizona and Nevada heat is legit. 110 is hot on any thermometer!! Plus the people out here are great. Say what you mean and mean what you say. Out west they love ya till you leave the room. In the south they love ya till they “Bless your little heart “ ya to death … and don’t get me started on other parts of the world ..

 

[dliverey44]

Why shouldn't we draft BPA if we are in a long term rebuild?

Because if you always go BPA, you might not ever get to the point that your draft position matches with BPA at a position you need. I feel like Dejean was BPA at 34 but will argue that Polk brings more to the team because WR was significantly weaker than CB/S.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Because if you always go BPA, you might not ever get to the point that your draft position matches with BPA at a position you need. I feel like Dejean was BPA at 34 but will argue that Polk brings more to the team because WR was significantly weaker than CB/S.

You will never win anything by downgrading the talent to fill holes.

 

[Vindicate]

Yes, exactly this.

This is a draft and FA that appears more like a team that thinks they're a couple players away, rather than a team that needs to desperately add sheer talent.

If you are only a couple players away from a championship, you take risks. If you desperately need talent on multiple fronts, you play patient.

 

[dliverey44]

You will never win anything by downgrading the talent to fill holes.

Thats true but if you are always going BPA you won't win either. Maye was not BPA at 3 because he is a more of a project than MHJ or Odunze. The draft needs to be BPA at a needed position/that brings the most value to the team.

 

[TomPatriot]

Remember way back when after BB left we were wondering who BK would bring as the next general manager? Instead of bringing in an experienced GM to make key decisions he decided to do it by committee. Wolf is and has been a talent scout, he has no experience being a GM someone that not only chooses the players in the draft but free agency, and swinging trades, especially on draft day. What is going on with the FO is an experiment. I think he may a little gun shy when it comes to moving around the board.

His father is in Canton in honor of his contributions as an . . . NFL General Manager. Wolf has been an assistant GM and every employer who he’s ever worked for has spoken highly of him. The guy’s been around the game for decades. You might turn out to be right but I think we should give him a chance before condemning him.

 

[reflexblue]

His father is in Canton in honor of his contributions as an . . . NFL General Manager. Wolf has been an assistant GM and every employer who he’s ever worked for has spoken highly of him. The guy’s been around the game for decades. You might turn out to be right but I think we should give him a chance before condemning him.

Ahh, all i was pointing out was hes never been in this position before and it comes with a lot of pressure to make the correct pick or trade so he maybe a little cautious. I started it because of all the posters pizzing and moaning about the picks and lack of trades. I gave him a B+.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Thats true but if you are always going BPA you won't win either. Maye was not BPA at 3 because he is a more of a project than MHJ or Odunze. The draft needs to be BPA at a needed position/that brings the most value to the team.

Maye definitely could be considered BPA. Huge ceiling means he could be better than MHJ or Odunze. Not sure you could say the same thing about McCarthy or Penix, hence they were chosen later. The Vikings and Giants tried to trade up to get Maye because they thought Maye was BPA and worth the trade.

I think you are trying to force the narrative because you are on the wrong side.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

His father is in Canton in honor of his contributions as an . . . NFL General Manager. Wolf has been an assistant GM and every employer who he’s ever worked for has spoken highly of him. The guy’s been around the game for decades. You might turn out to be right but I think we should give him a chance before condemning him.

We are giving Wolf a chance. Wolf also had multiple chances to interview for GM positions with other teams and was not successful. You are being sensitive. Wolf will be judged on his FA signings, which were underwhelming, and his draft picks. Some of us prefer BPA and think forcing all offensive picks after the run on offensive position players in R1 was not wise. Believing in BPA is not being critical of Wolf, it is believing in an approach Wolf disagrees with. I am not going to start thinking that Polk has more potential than Cooper because I should believe in Wolf's approach.

 

[Vindicate]

Maye definitely could be considered BPA. Huge ceiling means he could be better than MHJ or Odunze. Not sure you could say the same thing about McCarthy or Penix, hence they were chosen later. The Vikings and Giants tried to trade up to get Maye because they thought Maye was BPA and worth the trade.

I think you are trying to force the narrative because you are on the wrong side.

Have people said either of these things? Genuinely curious. I've not heard that literally at all. I've heard of MHJ being crowned a generational talent at the least and _any_ QB of this draft being simply a franchise QB (which does not indicate a generational talent, moreso that they can be a starter worthwhile riding with for a bit)

BPA and drafting by need is a hard line to delineate when it's QB. How do we know that's why MN/NY wanted the trade? They both needed a QB.

 

[dliverey44]

Maye definitely could be considered BPA. Huge ceiling means he could be better than MHJ or Odunze. Not sure you could say the same thing about McCarthy or Penix, hence they were chosen later. The Vikings and Giants tried to trade up to get Maye because they thought Maye was BPA and worth the trade.

I think you are trying to force the narrative because you are on the wrong side.

Not trying to force a narrative because I don't care if anyone agrees with me. The Vikings and Giant also needed a QB, so BPA at position of need. We will agree to disagree on team building. BPA is also subjective so we don't actually know how they graded prospects.

 

[tuckeverlasting]

john lennon....all we are saying is give wolf a chance

 

[TomPatriot]

We are giving Wolf a chance. Wolf also had multiple chances to interview for GM positions with other teams and was not successful. You are being sensitive. Wolf will be judged on his FA signings, which were underwhelming, and his draft picks. Some of us prefer BPA and think forcing all offensive picks after the run on offensive position players in R1 was not wise. Believing in BPA is not being critical of Wolf, it is believing in an approach Wolf disagrees with. I am not going to start thinking that Polk has more potential than Cooper because I should believe in Wolf's approach.

I didn’t love some of these picks, but I could say that with every team and every draft. BPA is the way to go, but maybe not when they literally cannot put an NFL player on the field at certain positions. Lots of holes to fill. Plus, maybe Cooper’s a dope and Polk isn’t. Idk.

As for FA signings, the market had slim pickings unless the Pats wanted to give Ridley way more than he’s worth.

I see people here (not you) posting that he should be fired, or another candidate should get the job permanently. I mean, the thread’s title is just ridiculous.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Not trying to force a narrative because I don't care if anyone agrees with me. The Vikings and Giant also needed a QB, so BPA at position of need. We will agree to disagree on team building. BPA is also subjective so we don't actually know how they graded prospects.

BPA is the best way to build a championship team, but even the teams that are examples of team’s that generally follow BPA as their overall philosophy address needs with high picks. The Eagles and Ravens are two of the best examples of franchises that follow BPA, and both went for need with their early picks. The Eagles biggest need was at defensive back, and they drafted Quinton Mitchell with their first pick, and DeJean withtheir second. The Ravens needed help at Corner and tackle and took both with their first two picks.

Teams are always going to address needs in the draft, and those are the most likely players to contribute as that’s the weakest areas of their roster. Where teams get into trouble is if they are consistently taking lesser players to fill needs when players who are clearly better are available. However the mistake fans make is in thinking that just because mock drafts havee teams have the same draft boards, they don’t, especially after the first round. So when binkies are passed over they immediately start screaming about how the team passed up the better player, and downgrade the draft. And the media is completely complicit in this, as they do the exact same thing.

I think it’s fair to say that the Patriots draft was need driven, but it’s also fair to say that their offense was the worst in football the last two seasons, and needed a large infusion of young talent if they are going to turn that around. I think that you will see them go need again in the first round or 2 of next years draft, but I think that after that you will see BPA become a larger part of their overall philosophy, as that’s what Wolf’s background and philosophy is on the whole.