Remaining Free Agency LT Options ... we still need to draft a guy

[n1997y]

with Vrabel in Cleveland last year, and Doug Marrone literally drafting Cam Robinson, makes you wonder why no news has been forthcoming about these two guys

Knowing about them could be the reason they aren’t here

Gee, your OL coach not signing an FA LT he previously drafted? Might be because of what they know about each other? Ya think?

 

[Since1960]

That depends on whether Hunter is there. They can get Maye the receiver he needs at 4 and still get back into the first round for the left tackle they need. I’m fine with it either way, but I have no idea how they have the board set up, and they could have Hunter rated so high that they like him over the tackles. However if Hunter is gone I believe they will go LT.

Better chance of Hunter being selected with the 2nd pick than being available at #4. And all this “talk” about Robinson at LT. If we were awake or not counting cap money there was an opportunity for tge Pats to get involved prior to the Vikkngs. If we had we would know TODAY if he was worth resigning after the season since we would have been coaching him! Heck! Still in a bad mood about getting FLEECED with McConkey…..

 

[Pape]

Figure they know all the players much better than you do.

I would certainly hope so.

That includes the guys they’ve worked closely with, as you’ve just pointed out, plus the guys already in the building, the rest of the league, and on the draft board.

I would certainly hope so, part II.

But keep second guessing them if you want.

I want.

Personally I’m inclined to wait and see what they do.

You do you. I like making posts that we can discuss. Its one of the many perks of being on a message board.

All our clamor won’t change it for the better anyway.

It won't?

well, it might...

 

[Pape]

Gee, your OL coach not signing an FA LT he previously drafted? Might be because of what they know about each other? Ya think?

Ever think there might be other reasons? like length of contract? salary demands? bonus size? knowing stuff like this would help round out the conversation surrounding the player.

So, based on your replies, you haven't given it a thought. My advice to you? Take your own suggestion and just "wait" it out... I don't need to deal with your snark... go take some midol or something and chill...

 

[Patriot Missile]

Thanks for posting that Mack... Dante always provides good insights

I like the article too and want to believe what he says regarding arm length. But still find myself looking at the data. Yes, there have been guys that succeeded despite short arms but the list is very small, and in Campbell’s case they might be right up there amongst
the shortest.

And then there is Isaiah Wynn……

I will cheer for Campbell with all my being to do well if he’s the pick at LT. I think he has the best film, highlights and exposure of all T’s in this draft and will just trust that Dante was right on this argument,

 

[Wozzy]

with Vrabel in Cleveland last year, and Doug Marrone literally drafting Cam Robinson, makes you wonder why no news has been forthcoming about these two guys

I think they’re waiting on the best offer, in Willis’s case he probably thinks he deserves one of those massive left tackle contracts.

Eventually these players will realize the music is going to stop and they’ll be left without a chair and settle for the best that they can get. My concern now is the Patriots, are they still looking to improve or do anything else in free agency… or do they think they’ve spent enough.

The Pats should be in on these guys, use the draft to add pure talent by having starters already in place.

 

[EMpats]

Phil Perry alluded to Simmons possibly not being a culture fit for Vrabel on the radio yesterday. It was the first I’ve heard of anything like that, but he’s not the type to stir the pot with baseless claims.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Better chance of Hunter being selected with the 2nd pick than being available at #4. And all this “talk” about Robinson at LT. If we were awake or not counting cap money there was an opportunity for tge Pats to get involved prior to the Vikkngs. If we had we would know TODAY if he was worth resigning after the season since we would have been coaching him! Heck! Still in a bad mood about getting FLEECED with McConkey…..

He’s not worth signing.

 

[Pape]

Phil Perry alluded to Simmons possibly not being a culture fit for Vrabel on the radio yesterday. It was the first I’ve heard of anything like that, but he’s not the type to stir the pot with baseless claims.

first I've heard too... will have to go find out what Perry was saying... If you have a link, feel free to share

 

[mike_usagisan]

not everything needs to be "ideal" for it to work... Campbell is the most pro ready LT option despite his arm length... simply because Josh Simmons is rehabbing...

I do prefer Simmons, and have been saying that for a while now... if we go that route, then we need to seriously consider a veteran player, even if they are less than ideal... I really don't want to roll with Vederian Lowe again...

Yeah, I like Simmons and maybe Smith as a fill-in vet. You're probably not getting a full season out of Smith at this point, but hopefully enough to let Simmons heal up.

 

[Give Kraft A Hand]

Phil Perry alluded to Simmons possibly not being a culture fit for Vrabel on the radio yesterday. It was the first I’ve heard of anything like that, but he’s not the type to stir the pot with baseless claims.

Culture is very important but judging a kid on how he’d fit in culture wise kind of reeks of over correction from last seasons debacle.

 

[Ring 6]

Ever think there might be other reasons? like length of contract? salary demands? bonus size? knowing stuff like this would help round out the conversation surrounding the player.

So, based on your replies, you haven't given it a thought. My advice to you? Take your own suggestion and just "wait" it out... I don't need to deal with your snark... go take some midol or something and chill...

It doesn’t mean they think the guy sucks, it means they at least have concerns. We should be outplaying and team interested in a LT at this point. If we had the best offer on the table they would likely be signed. So since we have as much or more knowledge about them as any team (Robinson particularly) it would seem we either don’t feel highly, or are hesitant. It was rumored they think he’s lazy so want guarantees. That fits the scenario.
Ultimately we just don’t know.

A fly in the ointment is out front offices abysmal record in evaluating OL. Everyone we chose to bring here last year was not NFL caliber. Players we chose to rely on wee the worst at their position in the league.
I assume Vrabel, McD and Marone are doing the evaluation now but if wolf is involved that isn’t a good sign for our OL.

 

[Pape]

Yeah, I like Simmons and maybe Smith as a fill-in vet. You're probably not getting a full season out of Smith at this point, but hopefully enough to let Simmons heal up.

Tyron Smith? gotta be careful with neck injuries... think back to Katzenmoyer... killed his career... have to fully vet that injury before relying on him for anything

 

[Pape]

It doesn’t mean they think the guy sucks, it means they at least have concerns. We should be outplaying and team interested in a LT at this point. If we had the best offer on the table they would likely be signed. So since we have as much or more knowledge about them as any team (Robinson particularly) it would seem we either don’t feel highly, or are hesitant. It was rumored they think he’s lazy so want guarantees. That fits the scenario.
Ultimately we just don’t know.

A fly in the ointment is out front offices abysmal record in evaluating OL. Everyone we chose to bring here last year was not NFL caliber. Players we chose to rely on wee the worst at their position in the league.
I assume Vrabel, McD and Marone are doing the evaluation now but if wolf is involved that isn’t a good sign for our OL.

i agree with what you are saying... would be nice of some of the Patriot talking heads had some insider information they'd spill on the situation so we could get a better read... but thats just me... maybe others have more pieces to the puzzle than I do at this point

 

[jdlboot14]

As consideration for all those expecting a big FA vet to come in at LT... They might think Lowe and/or Wallace are decent options at LT while they prepare a rookie 1st rounder. Just saying.
Why pay premium $$ on a 30+ year old, when you're plan is to start a more talented rookie?
If the rookie needs more time, then you have 2 guys that have started at LT, and could be better with another TC, better coaching and scheming by JMD.
Also, don't forget about Caleb Jones - what a beast, if he puts the work in to improve technique.

 

[Wozzy]

As consideration for all those expecting a big FA vet to come in at LT... They might think Lowe and/or Wallace are decent options at LT while they prepare a rookie 1st rounder. Just saying.
Why pay premium $$ on a 30+ year old, when you're plan is to start a more talented rookie?
If the rookie needs more time, then you have 2 guys that have started at LT, and could be better with another TC, better coaching and scheming by JMD.
Also, don't forget about Caleb Jones - what a beast, if he puts the work in to improve technique.

It would be a crying shame if they made the same stupid mistake two offseason’s in a row.

 

[Rob0729]

I still think they should sign Robinson for a one year stopgap and either trade down and draft an OT or trade up with the second round pick to draft the OT. Then you develop him.

Drafting Will Campbell at 4 is the wrong thing to do. Even Scar says that you draft someone who rushes the passer or catches TD in the top 5. It isn’t a spot to draft a tackle especially one with significant question marks.

 

[Froob]

if you trade back, is it really a reach to take Will Campbell? I don't think it is.

BPA is a fine concept if you are dealing with a roster that is potentially filled out. But when its not, you need to prioritize how you handle the rebuild, akin to triage.

if they are trading back you are trading out of the best available player

 

[Froob]

I still think they should sign Robinson for a one year stopgap and either trade down and draft an OT or trade up with the second round pick to draft the OT. Then you develop him.

Drafting Will Campbell at 4 is the wrong thing to do. Even Scar says that you draft someone who rushes the passer or catches TD in the top 5. It isn’t a spot to draft a tackle especially one with significant question marks.

not a big fan of Cam Rob but maybe his price comes down to a one year deal at a more reasonable price and plays contract year with Doug Marrone a coach he possibly likes

 

[Ring 6]

i agree with what you are saying... would be nice of some of the Patriot talking heads had some insider information they'd spill on the situation so we could get a better read... but thats just me... maybe others have more pieces to the puzzle than I do at this point

Nah, others only think they do.