Rebooting the OL decisions

[PatsFan2]

What a horrible value exchange.
BB trades a draft pick for a guy who is going to be cut in 1 day??
Same with Wheatley. Give up a talented speedy RB, for an OT that would likely be on the street in 2 days?
If you wanted to get these guys, why not 2 weeks ago when we knew all the available tackles were crap, or hurt?

P Strong was not very good though can't catch and sucks @ Running.

 

[Triumph]

Why are people so impressed with Sow?

 

[Brotherblues]

Is the Lowe pick conditional?

 

[Family]

Who are the 8/9 that are kept?

Safe: Brown, Strange, D. Andrews, Onwenu

Pick Two OT's: Lowe, Wheatley, Sow, Steuber, Anderson

Pick Two/Three Interior/Multitool: Ferentz, Mafi, Russey, J. Andrews, Hines, Reiff

Who goes to PS? I'd guess two developmental players, perhaps as many as three.
Who starts as injured? And with what status?
Who gets cut outright?

After reading this thread posters are saying IR Reiff. But how? Before cut down or after???

They traded for two players without conditions, so these guys stick

They have three mid round guards/centers. Those should stick.

Brown/Strange/Andrews/Onwenu makes 9.

If Reiff is coming back before midseason they have to keep him. His salary is mostly guaranteed. Reiff was good at guard and might even help out at swing tackle. He has to stick, and then IR.

 

[mike_usagisan]

After reading this thread posters are saying IR Reiff. But how? Before cut down or after???

They traded for two players without conditions, so these guys stick

They have three mid round guards/centers. Those should stick.

Brown/Strange/Andrews/Onwenu makes 9.

If Reiff is coming back before midseason they have to keep him. His salary is mostly guaranteed. Reiff was good at guard and might even help out at swing tackle. He has to stick, and then IR.

I think that's right. Assuming they want him back later, he has to be on the 53 and go on IR the next day. But there are players you can cut and let them know that we'll resign them after some go on IR, such as the third TE.

 

[Family]

I think that's right. Assuming they want him back later, he has to be on the 53 and go on IR the next day. But there are players you can cut and let them know that we'll resign them after some go on IR, such as the third TE.

The issue is guaranteed salary. If they cut him the team will lose that, and have to begin paying Reiff again, if he stayed.

Riley Reiff | NFL Contracts & Salaries | Spotrac.com

Riley Reiff signed a 1 year, $5,000,000 contract with the New England Patriots, including $2,700,000 signing bonus, $4,150,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $5,000,000.

www.spotrac.com

 

[mike_usagisan]

The issue is guaranteed salary. If they cut him the team will lose that, and have to begin paying Reiff again, if he stayed.

Riley Reiff | NFL Contracts & Salaries | Spotrac.com

Riley Reiff signed a 1 year, $5,000,000 contract with the New England Patriots, including $2,700,000 signing bonus, $4,150,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $5,000,000.

www.spotrac.com

Right. So I don't think they cut him. I think he makes the 53 and goes on IR after cutdowns when he can be eligible to return. That way he always stays on his guaranteed contract. so cut Sokol instead, and assuming he makes it through waivers, pick up Sokol after Reiff goes on IR.

 

[n1997y]

What a horrible value exchange.
BB trades a draft pick for a guy who is going to be cut in 1 day??
Same with Wheatley. Give up a talented speedy RB, for an OT that would likely be on the street in 2 days?
If you wanted to get these guys, why not 2 weeks ago when we knew all the available tackles were crap, or hurt?

Because all the tackles weren’t hurt two weeks ago.

duh.

unless you think Reiff getting hurt against the Titans was two weeks ago?

in which case DUH!

 

[BTTA]

Lowe, Sow, Mafi, Russey, Hines and J. Andrews goes on phantom IR.

Removing young players from team activities and practice for a year at this stage is a career killer.

 

[Zuma]

 

[State]

The issue is guaranteed salary. If they cut him the team will lose that, and have to begin paying Reiff again, if he stayed.

Riley Reiff | NFL Contracts & Salaries | Spotrac.com

Riley Reiff signed a 1 year, $5,000,000 contract with the New England Patriots, including $2,700,000 signing bonus, $4,150,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $5,000,000.

www.spotrac.com

Um, that’s a sweetheart contract—over $4 million guaranteed—for an aging veteran likely in his last year. Very un-Belichickian. Doesn’t make much sense. Now we almost have to keep him on the 53 even though he’s injured.

Why this hamstrung contract (from the Patriots’ view)? Must be the fact the two share the same sports agent played a role. Neil Cornrich.

 

[mike_usagisan]

The issue is guaranteed salary. If they cut him the team will lose that, and have to begin paying Reiff again, if he stayed.

Um, that’s a sweetheart contract for an aging veteran likely in his last year. Very un-Belichickian. Doesn’t make much sense. Must be the fact the two share the same sports agent played a role. Neil Cornrich.

Or, as someone else pointed out, there was competition for him and we desperately needed a tackle and didn't want to pay huge money. We signed two low-cost veterans, drafted a rookie and kept a fill-in guy from last year we thought might show some upside. They did what they usually do when they have a need, they get a lot of tackle options and threw them at it, figuring something would stick. But they didn't account for Reiff's injury or Anderson's mysterious illness.

 

[State]

My doubts are growing regarding Klemm. No doubt he’s an improvement over last year. But take, for example, the last preseason game against the Titans. We have RG/center Chasen Hines playing LG and the savvy veteran Riley Reiff playing RG. For much of Reiff’s career he was LT.

I think swapping them to their more natural positions would have helped.

 

[mike_usagisan]

My doubts are growing regarding Klemm. No doubt he’s an improvement over last year. But take, for example, the last preseason game against the Titans. We have RG/center Chasen Hines playing LG and the savvy veteran Riley Reiff playing RG. For much of Reiff’s career he was LT.

I think swapping them to their more natural positions would have helped.

Sure, that makes sense. But I think the coaches realized it was a preseason game and used it as a practice opportunity to see what position flexibility these guys have. I'll start judging Klemm once the games get real.

 

[State]

we desperately needed a tackle

They had a superabundance of picks in the draft. Fourteen. Didn’t use one on a guy who played tackle. What the…?

And, no, Sidy Sow doing it in 2018 in the MAC doesn’t carry much water as we can see from his growing pains learning a new position.

That’s a damned mistake by the GM.

 

[TomPatriot]

My doubts are growing regarding Klemm. No doubt he’s an improvement over last year. But take, for example, the last preseason game against the Titans. We have RG/center Chasen Hines playing LG and the savvy veteran Riley Reiff playing RG. For much of Reiff’s career he was LT.

I think swapping them to their more natural positions would have helped.

You would have been better than what they had last year.

I get it but it’s hard to gauge from preseason, which is a good time to experiment and also give players a feel for the other OL positions.

 

[mike_usagisan]

They had a superabundance of picks in the draft. Fourteen. Didn’t use one on a guy who played tackle. What the…?

And, no, Sidy Sow doing it in 2018 in the MAC doesn’t carry much water as we can see from his growing pains learning a new position.

That’s a damned mistake by the GM.

For me, I can't judge that one yet. I need to see how Sow develops and if he ends up being better than any of the tackles taken after him. But that takes a year or two to see.

 

[State]

Sure, that makes sense. But I think the coaches realized it was a preseason game and used it as a practice opportunity to see what position flexibility these guys have. I'll start judging Klemm once the games get real.

But where’s the continuity?

Detroit kept their top six OLinemen away from preseason games. So they had even more reserves than we had. And they didn’t do well the first two games.

But with the essential continuity they performed well in the third preseason game.

On the other hand, we looked bad. And it wasn’t just Steuber.

 

[mike_usagisan]

But where’s the continuity?

Detroit kept their top six OLinemen away from preseason games. So they had even more reserves than we had. And they didn’t do well the first two games.

But with the essential continuity they performed well in the third preseason game.

On the other hand, we looked bad. And it wasn’t just Steuber.

I see what you're saying, but asking for continuity as our injuries have piled up was probably unrealistic and pointless, since those groups wouldn't be playing together in those exact configurations again (we hope!). So i can't knock them too much for the mixing and matching.

But you're right. Our depth sucks right now, especially at tackle. Steuber hasn't developed. McWhatshisname isn't good enough. And being reliant on Reiff, Brown and Anderson is shaky, especially with the injuries/illness. I think being critical of the tackle situation and the work of the GM in that regard is totally fair. But they've now added three young tackles to the pipeline, so I'm feeling a little better. It's a work in progress this year and hopefully they get the pipeline of young talent going there again.

 

[Triumph]

My doubts are growing regarding Klemm. No doubt he’s an improvement over last year. But take, for example, the last preseason game against the Titans. We have RG/center Chasen Hines playing LG and the savvy veteran Riley Reiff playing RG. For much of Reiff’s career he was LT.

I think swapping them to their more natural positions would have helped.

I was skeptical of Klemm from the beginning.

Its hard enough for long in the tooth OL position coaches to succeed as it is.