Reading the Tea Leaves on Mayo and Wolf (Personal Speculation)

[TheRainMaker]

Bob has made decisions based on emotions which started after he ran Parcells out of town. Carroll warned management that Martin was unhappy and that he was going to leave had they not gotten more aggressive retaining him. They didn’t, so he left. The Pats went 1-3 against Martin and 2-4 against Parcells. The MNF home loss in 1999 was an embarrassment which started their slide in the 2nd half of the season. Carroll was fired because of Bob’s incompetence.

Bob didn’t want to pay Brady, so he let him walk. He goes on to win a Super Bowl in his first year with Tampa while the Pats miss the playoffs. Tom would’ve won more had it not been for injuries. So what does Bob do? He fires Bill a few years later.

Here we are with Mayo. Bob fired Bill because he wasn’t happy with his drafting and record. Harbaugh was the best candidate available, yet goes with the inexperienced LB’s coach who wasn’t very good at his job and media called for him to be fired with Bill. They had a GM who traded out of a spot where the Chargers took a WR who shredded the Pats secondary on Saturday. They are now even worse and has been the most embarrassing season I’ve ever witnessed since watching the Pats since the mid 90’s.

Mayo and Wolf are gone.

 

[RobertWeathers]

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thr Krafts have to know this.
They can’t be that stupid or naive.

The softest landing for the Krafts and the best opportunity for Maye's development is to bring in Vrabes as the overload (GM TBD) and HC and Josh as OC.

 

[Love The Drake]

The softest landing for the Krafts and the best opportunity for Maye's development is to bring in Vrabes as the overload (GM TBD) and HC and Josh as OC.

I sign off on this 100 percent,
Pay McDaniels close to HC money so he stays for Mayes whole career.
If this is the case.

 

[PatsFan2]

I suspect that Robert would prefer to keep Jerod and just replace his coordinators. What I am hoping they are learning right now via back channel communication is that they will not find any quality coordinators who are any better than what they already have who are willing to work under Jerod. This means their only options are A) run it back with the same exact staff next year or B) clean house. When faced with those two options, they’ll know B is the only sensible option.

This a Good year Coordinator and Head Coaching wise To clean house * Quality Men will be available*. Under no Circumstance should the Krafts prolong the inevitable: Mayo's gotta go!!

 

[Rob0729]

Bob has made decisions based on emotions which started after he ran Parcells out of town. Carroll warned management that Martin was unhappy and that he was going to leave had they not gotten more aggressive retaining him. They didn’t, so he left. The Pats went 1-3 against Martin and 2-4 against Parcells. The MNF home loss in 1999 was an embarrassment which started their slide in the 2nd half of the season. Carroll was fired because of Bob’s incompetence.

Bob didn’t want to pay Brady, so he let him walk. He goes on to win a Super Bowl in his first year with Tampa while the Pats miss the playoffs. Tom would’ve won more had it not been for injuries. So what does Bob do? He fires Bill a few years later.

Here we are with Mayo. Bob fired Bill because he wasn’t happy with his drafting and record. They are now even worse and has been the most embarrassing season I’ve ever witnessed since watching the Pats since the mid 90’s.

Mayo and Wolf are gone.

Martin was 100% business with Kraft. He just got too ****y and rubbed it too much in Martin's face. He thought he could RFA tender Martin and have him one more year on the cheap before having to pay for him. He was a third round pick so the RFA tender was the lowest tender. His biggest mistake was going to the media and bragging about it which pissed Martin off. It wasn't emotional. It was business. Dumb business though.

And Kraft with Brady stupidly let Brady have the option to end his contract and walk in the final deal thinking that Brady would never want to leave New England. I don't think it was emotional. Again, it was business and a bad business deal. If Kraft went on emotions, he would have done whatever he could to keep Brady there. He really did look at Brady like a son. And this is worse in hindsight than it was at the time. I mean Brady was in his early 40s at a point where virtually every QB ever has either long since retired or fallen off a cliff. Not like he was in his late 30s.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Martin was 100% business with Kraft. He just got too ****y and rubbed it too much in Martin's face. He thought he could RFA tender Martin and have him one more year on the cheap before having to pay for him. He was a third round pick so the RFA tender was the lowest tender. His biggest mistake was going to the media and bragging about it which pissed Martin off. It wasn't emotional. It was business. Dumb business though.

Bob as usual, pointed the blame towards the geeks who said Martin was cooked at 25 which was why they lowballed him when FA started ($2M per season). He ended up getting 3rd highest in the NFL at $6M per season at the time. This was where Carroll warned management, but they didn’t think a team would pay Martin a top contract plus give up a 1st and 3rd round picks. Carroll had said Martin leaving was the beginning of their downfall in the late 90’s. Because of how that unfolded, Carroll vowed he’d never take a job without control.

And Kraft with Brady stupidly let Brady have the option to end his contract and walk in the final deal thinking that Brady would never want to leave New England. I don't think it was emotional. Again, it was business and a bad business deal. If Kraft went on emotions, he would have done whatever he could to keep Brady there. He really did look at Brady like a son. And this is worse in hindsight than it was at the time. I mean Brady was in his early 40s at a point where virtually every QB ever has either long since retired or fallen off a cliff. Not like he was in his late 30s.

Parcells, Martin and Brady were examples of how his business decisions backfire and how he makes emotional decisions based on his mistakes (firing both Carroll and Belichick). Someone has to pay for his mistakes.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I sign off on this 100 percent,
Pay McDaniels close to HC money so he stays for Mayes whole career.
If this is the case.

I really don't see a better outcome or something remotely palatable to the Krafts.

Kraft is on record as saying he liked the operation that was in place but felt there needed to be more distribution of power. I think Vrabes would be OK with that.

Kraft loves Josh.

The fans would be OK w/ Vrabes.

The fans would be OK w/ Josh mentoring Drake and running the offense.

The D would absolutely be better.

I wouldn't want Jon Robinson as GM as he started off well but didn't draft a proBowler his last 3 years with the team.

 

[The Gr8est]

Martin was 100% business with Kraft. He just got too ****y and rubbed it too much in Martin's face. He thought he could RFA tender Martin and have him one more year on the cheap before having to pay for him. He was a third round pick so the RFA tender was the lowest tender. His biggest mistake was going to the media and bragging about it which pissed Martin off. It wasn't emotional. It was business. Dumb business though.

And Kraft with Brady stupidly let Brady have the option to end his contract and walk in the final deal thinking that Brady would never want to leave New England. I don't think it was emotional. Again, it was business and a bad business deal. If Kraft went on emotions, he would have done whatever he could to keep Brady there. He really did look at Brady like a son. And this is worse in hindsight than it was at the time. I mean Brady was in his early 40s at a point where virtually every QB ever has either long since retired or fallen off a cliff. Not like he was in his late 30s.

He looked at Brady like a son,

But didn’t give his “son” a chance to be a partial owner of the Pats.

So now his “son” is a partial owner of the Raiders.

 

[Grogan14]

One of Belichick's associates (I guess Lombardi) revealed a parting shot from Belichick maybe a month later after he was fired. Belichick said the Krafts "think they know football..."

Either you do or you don't. I trust Belichick's assessment that they don't.

Until you get someone who knows what they're doing, things aren't likely to change.

Coaches have to have expertise. You can't just stick anyone in there. But the fact you fired Belichick and installed an incapable person because you thought you knew football, well that doesn't bode well for the future. There will be absolutely no confidence at all in anything the Kraft's do until someone who knows football is there to make the decisions.

I compare this to the Bills. They kept firing their coaches until the very moment they let someone else make the decisions, and then instantly they found a guy who could coach.

Great post!!
Nothing changes until you bring in real football experts in positions of leadership

No matter how many #1 picks you have

 

[Rob0729]

Bob as usual, pointed the blame towards the geeks who said Martin was cooked at 25 which was why they lowballed him when FA started ($2M per season). He ended up getting 3rd highest in the NFL at $6M per season at the time. This was where Carroll warned management, but they didn’t think a team would pay Martin a top contract plus give up a 1st and 3rd round picks. Carroll had said Martin leaving was the beginning of their downfall in the late 90’s. Because of how that unfolded, Carroll vowed he’d never take a job without control.

Parcells, Martin and Brady were examples of how his business decisions backfire and how he makes emotional decisions based on his mistakes (firing both Carroll and Belichick). Someone has to pay for his mistakes.

Was Kraft the point of blame on Martin or Bobby Grier? In fact, it might have been Grier and not Kraft who bragged about keeping Martin on the RFA tender.

And I don't look at Parcells, Martin, or Brady being emotional decisions. It was emotional for Parcells, Martin, and Brady, but I don't see how it was for Kraft.

Kraft sided with Grier about who was shopping for the groceries. Parcells was pissed he was over ruled.

The Pats made a business decision to squeeze on more year out of Martin before giving him a new deal (something Belichick would have done dispassionately) and Martin felt disrespected.

Brady wanted a longer term deal. Kraft sided with Belichick about not giving him a long term deal because of his age. If anything, the emotional part of it was giving Brady an out where he could walk after one year when he didn't have to. It was Brady who was upset his entire last year here and left as soon as he could because he felt slighted.

 

[Rob0729]

He looked at Brady like a son,

But didn’t give his “son” a chance to be a partial owner of the Pats.

So now his “son” is a partial owner of the Raiders.

I am not sure that Brady wanted a piece of the Patriots. But if he did and Kraft refused to give it to him, it is another example of Kraft putting business over emotions. Selling part of the team unless you need money is a bad business decision.

 

[Love The Drake]

Great post!!
Nothing changes until you bring in real football experts in positions of leadership

No matter how many #1 picks you have

The screams will become deafening and the longer Vrabel is without a HC Job we have some semblance of hope. The moment he is off the market and other teams start hiring hot shot coordinators. Make sure the liquor cabinet is full the therapy is booked and the season tickets are listed on stub hub.

 

[upstater1]

Kraft sided with Grier about who was shopping for the groceries. Parcells was pissed he was over ruled.

It's more important to understand what went down in the relationship between Kraft and Parcells prior to 1996.

By 1996, I would've done the exact thing that Kraft did regarding Parcells.

But what did I do earlier to make Parcells want to leave?

Remember, in 1995, Parcells met with the Jets PRIOR to the NFL draft. After coming back from the meeting with them, Parcells went to Kraft and asked that Kraft reduce his contract to 1 yr and his buyout clause. Kraft did that. But there were rumors about Parcells and the Jets already. It would have been madness to allow the future head coach of your arch rival to select your players when you had very high draft picks.

Add to that Will McDonough's contention that Parcells intended to draft a dud like Cedric Jones over Terry Glenn, and we should be happy that Parcells slammed the door on his way out of the draft room.

The only real question is, what did Kraft do to make Parcells want to leave prior to 1995?

I'll speculate a couple of things that make me suspicious of both men: Parcells has always been a guy who wants to leave teams early. He tried to break out of his Giants contract. He did it with the Patriots. He did some dastardly stuff to Belichick at the end with the Jets. Then he bolted the Jets GM position to coach the Cowboys.

I remember vividly how Parcells look on at Kraft with complete disgust when Kraft talked him up after winning the 1996 AFC Championship game. They HATED each other.

Something else sticks out. Kraft raked Parcells over the coals in the media for selecting a center (Joe Burch) in the 3rd round of the 1994 draft, because Burch was cut in training camp. Kraft did not take that selection well. I am just speculating but THIS was the start of Kraft taking Parcells' GM duties away from him. I remember the Burch criticism vividly. And I think this is what lead to the breach between the coach and the owner.

Look back at Kraft's history. He has a history of taking away player acquisition responsibilities from coaches.

 

[h0c2000]

Reading the tea leaves while smoking the sativa leaves.

 

[Love The Drake]

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Reading the tea leaves while smoking the sativa leaves.

This has been every one of us this season lmao.

 

[Steve102]

When I saw JK holding a playsheet during a game, I thought, "Good lord, we are badly screwed!!!!"

Is this on the internet anywhere?

 

[Steve102]

The softest landing for the Krafts and the best opportunity for Maye's development is to bring in Vrabes as the overload (GM TBD) and HC and Josh as OC.

I cannot help but think Pioli/Vrabel/JMcD makes them immediately better. Same for Dimitroff/Flores with an OC TBD.

 

[Ross12]

I cannot help but think Pioli/Vrabel/JMcD makes them immediately better. Same for Dimitroff/Flores with an OC TBD.

I think I would prefer Dimitroff over Pioli. Part of me is against a former NE front office guy coming back, but I also realize that they did make a lot of great picks in the 2000s and 2010s. It was only after most of these guys left and the “new crop” kinda sucked, and Bill took more control in the late 2010s/early 2020s that it got bad. Dimitroff did well in Atlanta and Caserio is killing it in Houston.

 

[JohnJH]

I think if it was up to Jonathan, he would clean house and get the top talent in the league. He seems to be the most business-like of the two.
Robert is too sentimental. I think if it never came to head between Belichick and Brady, he would have let Brady play with the Pats forever even if Brady was using a walker and had to throw the ball with two hands. He should have fired Belichick after the Patricia fiasco (reports are Jonathan wanted to). I think he will hold onto Mayo because of personal reasons and not football reasons.

Unless Jonathan takes over or Robert, seeing his own mortality, wants to make this team a winner before he dies and changes how he does business, I think Mayo gets a second year.

Personally, I think in time Mayo could become a good or great head coach. I think the problem is the Pats will have to waste much or most of Maye's rookie contract to get there. I don't think the Pats have the time.

My guess what will happen is Mayo will get another year. Much of his coaching staff will be fired. Hopefully, they will get an OC with a lot of experience who can almost be a co-head coach and run the offense more autonomously and allow Mayo to focus on the defense. I think that is the best case scenario.

If Mayo gets another year, we're screwed! I only hope that May survives next season (as I hope he survives this one). I agree with everything you. However, even if Mayo becomes just a good HC, it should NOT be with the Patriots.

 

[JohnJH]

You are absolutely right
If they keep Mayo and fire the OC and DC then who the hell would come here that is better than AVP and Covington
It would only mean to you that when the team struggles again your gone and Mayo stays
Especially when most of the reason why you have struggles is the guy they have propped up
Needless to say….Enough is enough. Craigslist did not work for this year
Total reset

If Mayo is kept, we're screwed. I just hope that Maye survives it to be what he's shown and can be if he stays healthy and has proper support: A Franchise QB.