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Randy Moss: Patriots Hall of Fame

Discussion in 'PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum' started by PatriotsReign, Apr 5, 2019.

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Do you think Randy Moss belongs in the Patriots Hall of Fame?

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  1. AndyJohnson

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    How Fairbanks can even be considered is beyond me. He made the 2 times in 7 years, was one and done both times and quit on the team before one of them.

    How can a coach go into a hall of fame without ever winning a playoff game?
     

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    I think he reverted to selfish Randy because he lost a step. He was shocked when BB cut him and always speaks highly of the Pats even to this day. He never recovered his former form when he went somewhere else.
     
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    Totally different. Fairbanks left because he was stabbed in the back and royally screwed over by the Sullivans.
     
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  4. Ras-IR Dowling

    Ras-IR Dowling In the Starting Line-Up

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    Maybe ask the bengals in a few years.
     
  5. Triumph

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    Yes the Andy Moss bust belongs in Patriots Place.
     
  6. AndyJohnson

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    I always felt moss tanked in that 2010 game vs the jets. He had a step on revis on a go and slowed down and revis picked in, them he gave a lame attempt at another ball leading to a pick.
    Never considered this before but, given that he did nothing at all after being traded, maybe it wasn’t a lack of effort but that he was just shot.
    That would also explain bb and Brady not holding a grudge
     
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    People forget Randy was 33 in 2010 and we all know BB doesn't throw big money at older players. I'm pretty sure in saying Randy wanted a new deal and BB took a wait and see approach with him. That ticked off Randy but then he realized (both here and in TN and SF) that he had in fact lost a little off his fastball. I would not be surprised if BB saw the same thing. Randy later understood it wasn't personal with BB. Just business.
     
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  8. AndyJohnson

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    He didn’t “lose a little off his fastball” he fell off a cliff.
     
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    He still had the straightline speed.
     
  10. AndyJohnson

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    In New England 5 catches 75.1 ypg. 50 TDs in 52 games
    After NE 1.7/34.5 5 td in 28 games.

    Zero 100 yard games after leaving New England and only had over 50 3 times in 28 games(not counting the ones he was benched)
     
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  11. AndyJohnson

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    He wasn’t a good football player any more. I’m not going to argue about if he could have run track.
     
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    Nunchucks Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

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    I don't think he was here long enough, regardless of his stats.
     
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  13. PatriotsReign

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    Ask Mike Reiss, he’s the one the wrote the article. I didn’t create my thread because the idea popped into my head.

    But you seemed to take it personally which is strange.
     
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  14. TommyD4207

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    Maybe don't embarrass the Sullivans by taking a 3rd-tier college job, when you're still employed by a professional football team, including recruiting players for Colorado, rather than, you know, putting in the effort to coach the team.

    Fairbanks and Moss are very similar, except Moss actually won a playoff game with a stacked roster. Fairbanks couldn't even be assed to wait until the season was over to start recruiting for Colorado.

    The Sullivans are far from perfect, but to put Fairbanks on them is ridiculous. It's not like Fairbanks didn't have a history of this bullshit going back to Oklahoma.
     
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    Fairbanks was likely the second best coach behind Belichick. His mistake was working for a penny pinching owner. He was treated much more unfairly than Parcells, undercut and unsupported by the owner. You have been a respected poster for a long time on here. I assume you were present when he was coaching. I was in the stands for all of his games. We can disagree but he has my support and appreciation. The Sullivans tried hard but they just never had the capitol and always made things worse.
     
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  16. AndyJohnson

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    I don’t believe you induct a coach who never won a playoff game into a HOF because of an opinion about how much support he got.
     
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    The circumstances of the Hannah/Grey holdout and the team getting rid of Grey are a perfect example of the Sullivans stabbing Fairbanks in the back (which included reneging on a negotiated contract with a player). He was totally justified in getting the hell out there.
     
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    If they already have a picture of him and a note of his TD record, that seem good enough. I'd hope they put the Malcolm Butler interception with the same treatment. Save the jacket and bust for the legends.

    (Note: I've never been the Pats HOF before)
     
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    They have the ball from the game winning pass that broke the touchdown record. Can’t recall what Butlers’ thing was, he definitely had pictures and stuff with the Super Bowl 49 stuff.
     
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    Definitely the second best.

    There are lots of "Goodbye, Chuckie" types who, while enthusiastic in support of the team, do not understand what is going on [see flying elvis]

    Fairbanks is amazing. We were in fact terrible when he arrived, and we had maybe the smallest budget in the league then. That era was vastly different from today, yet he built the best team in the NFL in three and one half years.

    Fairbanks not only made chicken salad out of leftovers, he made it his business to shoot for the top from the very first minute. He was used to winning championships, a tradition in Oklahoma. After winning 47 straight games (still the record), Bud Wilkinson famously said after finally losing one, "I will not be the coach of a losing football team."

    From drafting exactly the right and best players, to getting top talent from the CFL, to hiring Ernie Adams right out of college (yup), to creating the 3-4 defense that remains predominantly used to this day, Fairbanks was a genius.

    The only criticism I've heard is that he encouraged Plunkett to run, which got Jim killed...but not before we got a king's ransom from the 49ers for him.

    The Colorado thing is what coaches do all the time.

    Chuck Fairbanks - Wikipedia

    Paul Zimmerman, Sports Illustrated's dean of professional football writers, speculated that the animus surrounding Fairbanks' departure from New England stemmed from the fact that, unlike the late-season departure of New York Jets coach Lou Holtz for Arkansas in 1976, "no one" felt Fairbanks "was a really nice guy."[8]...sounds vaguely familiar...BB, anyone?

    A locker room full of crying Patriots in the visitors' locker room in the Orange Bowl when they were notified of Fairbanks' departure minutes before playing a game would indicate that "no one" does not include his players.
     

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