Projecting In season extensions 2025 season- who all and how much ?

[TommyD4207]

For Boutte I am okay letting him walk if the price tag is too high. He's good, but he is also such a product of Drake Maye. He is kind of like Branch, who was great here with Brady. Got paid the bigs bucks in Seattle and was not nearly worth it. I see Boutte as a similar case. He is more valuable here in sync with Drake than anywhere else. So If he demands the open market and the max he can get which will be 15m/yr (someone will pay it probably). I unfortunately let him walk and take the comp pick which will be a 3rd rd pick most likely at that price.

Now, I do not want this to happen. I want Boutte to be here for his entire career. But he needs to be reasonable. He is not a mid/high #2 WR. He is a mid/low #2 WR that Drake is elevating cause their games compliment each other.

So if he stays he needs to make a deal in that wheel house I think. This sounds like he needs to take money off the table to stay, but I don't see it like that. Branch got paid then lost all value and could be gotten for peanuts on his final deal.

Boutte may take less this contract if he stays, but he will retain his value next contract when his production doesn't drop. Even if he pulls a full Branch and comes back after getting paid, the offense will have moved on with Drake favoring new guys he is in sync with and Boutte will not get that #2 spot back.

So I think there is something to be said for him taking what he can get here, staying with something he knows works for him for the next 9 years and not rocking the boat on a gamble he can do it somewhere else.

He's 23 years old.
This is a batshit take.

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

He's 23 years old.
This is a batshit take.

So is saying he’s already produced more than Aiyuk ever did.

 

[Real fan 02]

Now that we are halfway into the season , which extensions do we sign on now before the prices become insane.

To me it would be these folks

Boutte ( 4/ 52/ 33)
Gonzo ( 4/140/ 95)
Marcus Jones( 3/ 42/29)
Tonga
Chaisson ( 3/ 54/ 26 ?)

Might need to cut dugger and onwenu to make this happen.

Again these numbers are my take and I am not sure if these numbers are valid , too high or low.

The only person to determine how a high a players contract would be is the guy cutting the check.

All those numbers you posted are logically in line. Tonga I'd say 3yrs for 15M... looks like Dugger won't factor in here. Marcus got 3 for 36M..

 

[Real fan 02]

For Boutte I am okay letting him walk if the price tag is too high. He's good, but he is also such a product of Drake Maye. He is kind of like Branch, who was great here with Brady. Got paid the bigs bucks in Seattle and was not nearly worth it. I see Boutte as a similar case. He is more valuable here in sync with Drake than anywhere else. So If he demands the open market and the max he can get which will be 15m/yr (someone will pay it probably). I unfortunately let him walk and take the comp pick which will be a 3rd rd pick most likely at that price.

Now, I do not want this to happen. I want Boutte to be here for his entire career. But he needs to be reasonable. He is not a mid/high #2 WR. He is a mid/low #2 WR that Drake is elevating cause their games compliment each other.

So if he stays he needs to make a deal in that wheel house I think. This sounds like he needs to take money off the table to stay, but I don't see it like that. Branch got paid then lost all value and could be gotten for peanuts on his final deal.

Boutte may take less this contract if he stays, but he will retain his value next contract when his production doesn't drop. Even if he pulls a full Branch and comes back after getting paid, the offense will have moved on with Drake favoring new guys he is in sync with and Boutte will not get that #2 spot back.

So I think there is something to be said for him taking what he can get here, staying with something he knows works for him for the next 9 years and not rocking the boat on a gamble he can do it somewhere else.

Bob,

We must remember. We are just fans posting on a board who love our team and want them to succeed. RK isn't going to need a go fund me or help from the Kroc center to pay his bills. He's a billionaire and makes $$ in his sleep.

Players theoretically have one shot in the NFL to make generational wealth. I'm always for players to get paid. NFL- not for long.

Vrabel said himself he wants to get his Players to a second contract.. he's already showing this with the extension for Marcus.

 

[PatsFan2]

For Boutte I am okay letting him walk if the price tag is too high. He's good, but he is also such a product of Drake Maye. He is kind of like Branch, who was great here with Brady. Got paid the bigs bucks in Seattle and was not nearly worth it. I see Boutte as a similar case. He is more valuable here in sync with Drake than anywhere else. So If he demands the open market and the max he can get which will be 15m/yr (someone will pay it probably). I unfortunately let him walk and take the comp pick which will be a 3rd rd pick most likely at that price.

Now, I do not want this to happen. I want Boutte to be here for his entire career. But he needs to be reasonable. He is not a mid/high #2 WR. He is a mid/low #2 WR that Drake is elevating cause their games compliment each other.

So if he stays he needs to make a deal in that wheel house I think. This sounds like he needs to take money off the table to stay, but I don't see it like that. Branch got paid then lost all value and could be gotten for peanuts on his final deal.

Boutte may take less this contract if he stays, but he will retain his value next contract when his production doesn't drop. Even if he pulls a full Branch and comes back after getting paid, the offense will have moved on with Drake favoring new guys he is in sync with and Boutte will not get that #2 spot back.

So I think there is something to be said for him taking what he can get here, staying with something he knows works for him for the next 9 years and not rocking the boat on a gamble he can do it somewhere else.

Brady didn't win a SB with the JAG receivers Remember the Colts Playoffs Game?? We fell very short that year: you could say we fell a very good WR short. I'm not going try to play Capologist with the Kraft's $$$$$. They have $$$$$ to burn.

 

[mayoclinic]

For Boutte I am okay letting him walk if the price tag is too high.

For almost any player, I am okay letting him walk if the price tag is too high.

I'm sure the team will attempt to extend Boutte as soon as allowed.

 

[BobDigital]

He's 23 years old.
This is a batshit take.

Bob,

We must remember. We are just fans posting on a board who love our team and want them to succeed. RK isn't going to need a go fund me or help from the Kroc center to pay his bills. He's a billionaire and makes $$ in his sleep.

Players theoretically have one shot in the NFL to make generational wealth. I'm always for players to get paid. NFL- not for long.

Vrabel said himself he wants to get his Players to a second contract.. he's already showing this with the extension for Marcus.

Brady didn't win a SB with the JAG receivers Remember the Colts Playoffs Game?? We fell very short that year: you could say we fell a very good WR short. I'm not going try to play Capologist with the Kraft's $$$$$. They have $$$$$ to burn.

Boutte has limited talent. This is a fact. Now that doesn't mean he can't be a better than fair player. But it does likely cap him. He may only be 23, but this is his 3rd year in the league, and that matters more than age. The NFL typically is less about physical improvement than mental improvement. He has great hands, runs his routes well, but his size, speed, height, weight, quickness, explosiveness, strength are all middle of the pack or below for NFL players. Look up his 4.95 RAS

It doesn't mean he can't be a good player. but probably he is close to his limit. Look up the RAS of any WR who is having a better year than him, how many worse ones will you find?

Closest is Puka, but he raised his Ras to 6.42 for his pro day. Diggs isn't far off, but he is more lop sided in his ability which is fine. So to say Boutte will grow beyond what he is doing now without seeing any less athletic people in front of him isn't a great sign.

As for Kraft's money, i don't care about about his pocket book, and i believe you know that. What i care about is proper allocation of resources. Cause the team which uses their resources the best usually wins. And as i said, i also believe he may be better off staying even if that means taking a minor pay cut right now.

As for 2006, BB's issue wasn't that he let Branch go, but that he didn't replace him. The option didn't have to be Branch or a bag of ****. But unfortunately that is the route BB went. Pretty arrogant of him.

 

[PatsFan2]

Boutte has limited talent. This is a fact. Now that doesn't mean he can't be a better than fair player. But it does likely cap him. He May only be 23, but this is his 3rd year in the league, and that matters more than age. The NFL typically is less about physical improvement than mental improvement. He has great hands, runs his routes well, but his size, speed, height, weight, quickness, explosiveness, strength are all middle of the pack or below for NFL players. Look up his 4.95 RAS

It doesn't mean he can't be a good player. but probably he is close to his limit. Look up the RAS of any WR who is having a better year than him, how many worse ones will you find?

Closest is Puka, but he raised his Ras to 6.42 for his pro day. Diggs isn't far off, but he is more lope sided in his ability which is fine. So to say Boutte will grow beyond what he is doing now without seeing any less athletic people in front of him isn't a great sign.

As for Kraft's money, i don't care about about his pocket book, and i believe you know that. What i care about is proper allocation of resources. Cause the team which uses their resources the best usually wins. And as i said, i also believe he may be better off staying even if that means taking a minor pay cut right now.

As for 2006, BB's issue wasn't that he let Branch go, but that he didn't replace him. The option didn't have to be Branch or a bag of ****. But unfortunately that is the route BB went. Pretty arrogant of him.

When was the last time Our New England Patriots Developed a Young WR?? And we can honestly say K Boutte developed himself. He's not limited he's improving weekly and is a very underrated player. I know our brass will do the right thing. IF Dugger and that bum K White can get a contract so can Boutte.

 

[n1997y]

Brady didn't win a SB with the JAG receivers Remember the Colts Playoffs Game?? We fell very short that year: you could say we fell a very good WR short. I'm not going try to play Capologist with the Kraft's $$$$$. They have $$$$$ to burn.

Remember this roster? See any JAGs? I see a couple, only see one I’d really consider truly stellar.

Wide receivers(WR)

13 Phillip Dorsett

11 Julian Edelman PR

15 Chris Hogan

84 Cordarrelle Patterson KR

18 Matthew Slater

 

[pazrul72]

Bob,

We must remember. We are just fans posting on a board who love our team and want them to succeed. RK isn't going to need a go fund me or help from the Kroc center to pay his bills. He's a billionaire and makes $$ in his sleep.

Players theoretically have one shot in the NFL to make generational wealth. I'm always for players to get paid. NFL- not for long.

Vrabel said himself he wants to get his Players to a second contract.. he's already showing this with the extension for Marcus.

People like Bob who are arguing about overpaying aren't arguing because they give a crap about RKK's wallet. There is a salary cap and every dollar you give Boutte is another dollar you can't give a better LB or S or Edge. You can't give everyone what they are worth and the successful teams are the ones that get more production from the players then what they are paying. Which right now is why Drake Maye is the best player in the NFL. Top 5 QBs make 50-60 mil and he is giving us that at 9 mil.

The cap is not crap, you can fudge it, you can borrow from it, you can make any contract work, but it always comes due at some point. Look at the saints and their 70 million in dead money. Look at the Jets paying ARod 40 mil to play for the Steelers. Yes in the grand scheme of things 12 mil or 18 mil to RKK for Boutte is do you want this dime or this quarter in my change jar. Makes ZERO difference to him but when the next guy of Bouttes talent comes along now they are picking between a nickel and a penny. You cant overspend on ok talent, it's how you end up like the Jete.

 

[Real fan 02]

Boutte has limited talent. This is a fact. Now that doesn't mean he can't be a better than fair player. But it does likely cap him. He May only be 23, but this is his 3rd year in the league, and that matters more than age. The NFL typically is less about physical improvement than mental improvement. He has great hands, runs his routes well, but his size, speed, height, weight, quickness, explosiveness, strength are all middle of the pack or below for NFL players. Look up his 4.95 RAS

It doesn't mean he can't be a good player. but probably he is close to his limit. Look up the RAS of any WR who is having a better year than him, how many worse ones will you find?

Closest is Puka, but he raised his Ras to 6.42 for his pro day. Diggs isn't far off, but he is more lope sided in his ability which is fine. So to say Boutte will grow beyond what he is doing now without seeing any less athletic people in front of him isn't a great sign.

As for Kraft's money, i don't care about about his pocket book, and i believe you know that. What i care about is proper allocation of resources. Cause the team which uses their resources the best usually wins. And as i said, i also believe he may be better off staying even if that means taking a minor pay cut right now.

As for 2006, BB's issue wasn't that he let Branch go, but that he didn't replace him. The option didn't have to be Branch or a bag of ****. But unfortunately that is the route BB went. Pretty arrogant of him.

Boutte has 18 YPC average this season. He's one of the highest rated WRs in the league on deep passes beyond 25 yards. We continue to see evidence of his growth each game. Brady would habe absolutely loved to play with a player like Boutte. Furthermore his production is on parr to likely have a 1000 yard season.

All we have to do is look at the cause and effect. We won a SB in 2004-05 with branch. We lost in 06 without him. BB went out and got moss, Welker and stallworth in 07. Having a reliable wr that doesn't have to be randy moss does wonders for a QB. Whatever Boutte will earn when he gets a new contract is deserving. Players put in the work they deserve it. Point in case Marcus Jones and his new contract.

 

[Real fan 02]

People like Bob who are arguing about overpaying aren't arguing because they give a crap about RKK's wallet. There is a salary cap and every dollar you give Boutte is another dollar you can't give a better LB or S or Edge. You can't give everyone what they are worth and the successful teams are the ones that get more production from the players then what they are paying. Which right now is why Drake Maye is the best player in the NFL. Top 5 QBs make 50-60 mil and he is giving us that at 9 mil.

The cap is not crap, you can fudge it, you can borrow from it, you can make any contract work, but it always comes due at some point. Look at the saints and their 70 million in dead money. Look at the Jets paying ARod 40 mil to play for the Steelers. Yes in the grand scheme of things 12 mil or 18 mil to RKK for Boutte is do you want this dime or this quarter in my change jar. Makes ZERO difference to him but when the next guy of Bouttes talent comes along now they are picking between a nickel and a penny. You cant overspend on ok talent, it's how you end up like the Jete.

Totally understand what Bob and yourself are saying. Simply talking about the players specifically. Yes the salary cap was created by the NFL owners and acts as a factor in the competition committee. Salary caps can be maneuvered anyway a team sees fit with the confines of the NFL team policy and CBA agreements.

For example we were dam near last in cash spending.. that got out into the media if you remember? What did RK do?

Paid Dugger, peppers, ownenu, rham to lucrative extensions. That was done for a myriad of reasons but primarily to stay within the NFL rules each team MUST spend a certain amount of cap dollars.

No one here is proclaiming pay Boutte whatever he wants. Simply saying reward the home grown players you develop. Vrabel is at the helm and has backed up his statements of getting players to a second contract. He showed this with Marcus yesterday. Instead of having to go out and reward other teams players in FA develop your own and reward them it's still cheaper than them hitting FA and you have to now compete.

 

[Real fan 02]

Boutte has limited talent. This is a fact. Now that doesn't mean he can't be a better than fair player. But it does likely cap him. He May only be 23, but this is his 3rd year in the league, and that matters more than age. The NFL typically is less about physical improvement than mental improvement. He has great hands, runs his routes well, but his size, speed, height, weight, quickness, explosiveness, strength are all middle of the pack or below for NFL players. Look up his 4.95 RAS

It doesn't mean he can't be a good player. but probably he is close to his limit. Look up the RAS of any WR who is having a better year than him, how many worse ones will you find?

Closest is Puka, but he raised his Ras to 6.42 for his pro day. Diggs isn't far off, but he is more lope sided in his ability which is fine. So to say Boutte will grow beyond what he is doing now without seeing any less athletic people in front of him isn't a great sign.

As for Kraft's money, i don't care about about his pocket book, and i believe you know that. What i care about is proper allocation of resources. Cause the team which uses their resources the best usually wins. And as i said, i also believe he may be better off staying even if that means taking a minor pay cut right now.

As for 2006, BB's issue wasn't that he let Branch go, but that he didn't replace him. The option didn't have to be Branch or a bag of ****. But unfortunately that is the route BB went. Pretty arrogant of him.

Robert Kraft speaks in depth about Patriots' cash spending

New England Patriots owner Robert Kraft went on the record with reporters on Thursday about the team's recent cash spending.

985thesportshub.com

 

[Real fan 02]

Remember this roster? See any JAGs? I see a couple, only see one I’d really consider truly stellar.

Wide receivers(WR)

13 Phillip Dorsett

11 Julian Edelman PR

15 Chris Hogan

84 Cordarrelle Patterson KR

18 Matthew Slater

Why would you show that JAG Edelman..

 

[Toofy]

Boutte has 18 YPC average this season. He's one of the highest rated WRs in the league on deep passes beyond 25 yards. We continue to see evidence of his growth each game. Brady would habe absolutely loved to play with a player like Boutte. Furthermore his production is on parr to likely have a 1000 yard season.

All we have to do is look at the cause and effect. We won a SB in 2004-05 with branch. We lost in 06 without him. BB went out and got moss, Welker and stallworth in 07. Having a reliable wr that doesn't have to be randy moss does wonders for a QB. Whatever Boutte will earn when he gets a new contract is deserving. Players put in the work they deserve it. Point in case Marcus Jones and his new contract.

Marcus jones waas a great contract. He is paid like a top 3 slotback which he is and is a difference maker on special teams. 15 million would have been an overpay while 12 million leaves us 3 million to sign a depth line acker or possibly 25% of rookie class.

Need to pinch pennies and make the right moves. Overpaying dugger and onwenu by 4-5 million a year should not be repeated.

Boutte deserves his payday but we should cap it at 14-15 million and tag him for a second rounder. Build incentives to raise it to 18 million a year if he crosses 1000 yards and 8 TDs . If someone wants to pay him 20 million and give us a second rounder so be it. You need at least 5 people from each draft class to be on 3rd year and 4th year and 7 each from sophomore and freshmen class . That would be 25 people at least on rookie contracts . Raining 28s could be vet minimum and high priced FA.

High contracts limited to following with cap hit limited to 130 million

1. 1 DT or DE
2. QB
3. Wr 1a
4. Cb1
5. LT
6. LG or RG

Mid tier contracts ( limited to 60-70 million cap hit on yearly basis)

1. Slot CB
2. Cb3
2a. Center
3. OLB
4.ILb
5. Pass catching back
6. TE 1.5
7. Free safety
8. DE 2/3


This is just 14 positions which eat out 200 million of cap space and we need to pay the remaining 39 folks.

Once Maye, gonzo, Campbell, wilson contracts start to take effect very limited cap space. Need to plan out strategically.

Maye is making salad out of leftovers . Utilize that to develop more receivers with upside. Spread the wealth i.e. receptions across multiple receiver corps.

 

[Real fan 02]

Marcus jones waas a great contract. He is paid like a top 3 slotback which he is and is a difference maker on special teams. 15 million would have been an overpay while 12 million leaves us 3 million to sign a depth line acker or possibly 25% of rookie class.

Need to pinch pennies and make the right moves. Overpaying dugger and onwenu by 4-5 million a year should not be repeated.

Boutte deserves his payday but we should cap it at 14-15 million and tag him for a second rounder. Build incentives to raise it to 18 million a year if he crosses 1000 yards and 8 TDs . If someone wants to pay him 20 million and give us a second rounder so be it. You need at least 5 people from each draft class to be on 3rd year and 4th year and 7 each from sophomore and freshmen class . That would be 25 people at least on rookie contracts . Raining 28s could be vet minimum and high priced FA.

High contracts limited to following with cap hit limited to 130 million

1. 1 DT or DE
2. QB
3. Wr 1a
4. Cb1
5. LT
6. LG or RG

Mid tier contracts ( limited to 60-70 million cap hit on yearly basis)

1. Slot CB
2. Cb3
2a. Center
3. OLB
4.ILb
5. Pass catching back
6. TE 1.5
7. Free safety
8. DE 2/3


This is just 14 positions which eat out 200 million of cap space and we need to pay the remaining 39 folks.

Once Maye, gonzo, Campbell, wilson contracts start to take effect very limited cap space. Need to plan out strategically.

Maye is making salad out of leftovers . Utilize that to develop more receivers with upside. Spread the wealth i.e. receptions across multiple receiver corps.

Absolutely correct toofy. And your post hits on alot of good information. Develop agreed on development of the players. We've been wanting to see this for years especially at the wr position. Boutte is developing and more importantly has a great connection with Drake on/field. Boutte has impressed his hands are like spider webbs catches basically everything thrown his way.

 

[mayoclinic]

I expect man of these contracts will be heavy with incentives.

 

[pazrul72]

Totally understand what Bob and yourself are saying. Simply talking about the players specifically. Yes the salary cap was created by the NFL owners and acts as a factor in the competition committee. Salary caps can be maneuvered anyway a team sees fit with the confines of the NFL team policy and CBA agreements.

For example we were dam near last in cash spending.. that got out into the media if you remember? What did RK do?

Paid Dugger, peppers, ownenu, rham to lucrative extensions. That was done for a myriad of reasons but primarily to stay within the NFL rules each team MUST spend a certain amount of cap dollars.

No one here is proclaiming pay Boutte whatever he wants. Simply saying reward the home grown players you develop. Vrabel is at the helm and has backed up his statements of getting players to a second contract. He showed this with Marcus yesterday. Instead of having to go out and reward other teams players in FA develop your own and reward them it's still cheaper than them hitting FA and you have to now compete.

I'm all over paying Boutte, I very much want him here for the next 4 years. Having a young guy Maye trusts and has chemistry with is HUGE. The Brady Branch comparison is apt in that Branch wasn't the most talented guy on the field but shared a brain cell with Brady to the point they could run routes without saying a word. I just question how much of that 18 ypc average is Boutte being a deep threat, and how much is the ridiculous deep ball Maye throws? Like a lot of debates who cares they play together and get it done! If you can get Boutte to agree to a 10-12 mil deal I'm sprinting pen in hand, 14-15 I'm squinting my eyes and holding my nose but signing, and the 18-20 people can GTFO.

Yes you have to pay players and it's better to pay your own. The problem the Patriots had is they didn't even have home grown players the caliber of Boutte. Rham Dugger and Owenu were the best they had. Even those three just got paid cuz they had to and look at them now. Owenu is going to be cut in the off season, Dugger just got traded, and Rham would be benched tmrw if he wasn't our only big back making too much to be sitting RB option. Like I said you can't over pay only OK players it sets you back when you want to pay Elite guys.

 

[BobDigital]

BTW what I think Boutte is worth right now.. Give or Take 3 years 36M (12/y) seems reasonable. And as the OP said for 4 years I think a little more per at 52M (13/yr) is fine. I would potentially be willing to either go 13.5M (if it was my call to make) or up the GTD money to 39 or close to it. One of those two. Cause I do like him and I do want him here. I think there is great value in having a WR here long term with Drake. And I'd be willing to pay above his value slightly to keep him here. But if he starts holding out for 15M+ or 48GTD. Then you need to let him walk. Cause while i like him there are better uses for that cash.

Now if he wants a 5-6 year deal... maybe then 15M/yr comes into the discussion when you factor in cap increases over such a long contract.

 

[DC Patriots]

Boutte has 18 YPC average this season. He's one of the highest rated WRs in the league on deep passes beyond 25 yards. We continue to see evidence of his growth each game. Brady would habe absolutely loved to play with a player like Boutte. Furthermore his production is on parr to likely have a 1000 yard season.

All we have to do is look at the cause and effect. We won a SB in 2004-05 with branch. We lost in 06 without him. BB went out and got moss, Welker and stallworth in 07. Having a reliable wr that doesn't have to be randy moss does wonders for a QB. Whatever Boutte will earn when he gets a new contract is deserving. Players put in the work they deserve it. Point in case Marcus Jones and his new contract.

I think most posters are circling around the same point. Boutte is a has been superb. The question remains how much is his development and how much is Drake and Josh.

I personally would rather not find out. I would be excited to see a 4-5 yr contract at 12.5 - 15 mil per. Jakobi is getting 11 and seeking 15. I see him as a not unfair comparison.

Push comes to shove, I think there are “would be great to have them guys,” and “whatever it takes guys.” Drake and Gonzo are the second type. Boutte is more the former, as I see it, based on what we can see now. 20+ million a year would be an overpay.