Potential #1 Pick Jalen Carter

[Love The Drake]

I’m sure he has a fall guy who’s family will be set up nicely.

 

[Ring 6]

Lucky for him the NFL doesn't weigh heavily on character.

You can’t play from jail

 

[XLIX]

I hope the Patriots don't draft this Jackass. Involved in an incident that involved driving while intoxicated, recklessly, topping speeds of 100+, and resulted in the deaths of two people. He leaves the scene, classy move with four friends lying in twisted wreckage, returns two hours later, and initially lies to the police. In addition to the criminal charges, which are likely to get worse, he'll probably be facing a civil lawsuit.

Yeah, he is going to have to pay some money. IMHO, he would be wise to accept a plea for any misdemeanor so as to stay clear of a felony (unless he really does have some exonerating evidence which clears him). And while a felony charge is possible, it is also very possible they don't charge him with a felony if they don't feel they have enough evidence to prove guilt.

 

[Brick27]

$100 says he won’t see jail time. Also this is nearly apples and oranges to Ruggs.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I'm guessing they are ultimately going to charge him with a felony. It could take a while but I think that is where we are headed.

Anything more than a wild guess? Brian Laundrie and Henry Ruggs are unrelated. I can't find anything in the press that indicates more than a misdemeanor. Maybe a felony, but that possibly always exists. I can't find any reporting that points towards a felony.

 

[XLIX]

Anything more than a wild guess? Brian Laundrie and Henry Ruggs are unrelated.

I used Brian Laundrie simply as an example demonstrating that the charges on an arrest warrant are sometimes not the real crime someone is being investigated for. That’s all. Obviously the situations are different.

I can't find anything in the press that indicates more than a misdemeanor.

That’s because at this point, there is nothing that indicates they are charging him with more than a misdemeanor.

All I am saying is they are not locked into charging him with only what the arrest warrants say (like some people think they are). They could up the charges if they choose. I have no idea if they will, but they certainly have that option.

Maybe a felony, but that possibly always exists. I can't find any reporting that points towards a felony.

The simple fact is, as I mentioned in a previous post, I have no idea what evidence they have. Carter claims he will be exonerated but we have no idea what evidence he has.

If they went to court, the prosecution would have to prove he was driving the car involved and that they were racing. IMHO, even if it is his car, proving he was the driver is no small task.

All parties involved may be happy to keep it at the misdemeanor level via a plea. For the prosecution, that means they get a conviction. For the defense, that means no jail time.

I don’t know what will happen. I have discussed many possibilities, made a couple of wild-ass-guess predictions (which will no doubt all be wrong) and we will all have to just wait and see.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I used Brian Laundrie simply as an example demonstrating that the charges on an arrest warrant are sometimes not the real crime someone is being investigated for. That’s all. Obviously the situations are different.

That’s because at this point, there is nothing that indicates they are charging him with more than a misdemeanor.

All I am saying is they are not locked into charging him with only what the arrest warrants say (like some people think they are). They could up the charges if they choose. I have no idea if they will, but they certainly have that option.

The simple fact is, as I mentioned in a previous post, I have no idea what evidence they have. Carter claims he will be exonerated but we have no idea what evidence he has.

If they went to court, the prosecution would have to prove he was driving the car involved and that they were racing. IMHO, even if it is his car, proving he was the driver is no small task.

All parties involved may be happy to keep it at the misdemeanor level via a plea. For the prosecution, that means they get a conviction. For the defense, that means no jail time.

I don’t know what will happen. I have discussed many possibilities, made a couple of wild-ass-guess predictions (which will no doubt all be wrong) and we will all have to just wait and see.

Just to be clear, Cater was definitely not driving the car involved in the crash that killed two people. One of the two people killed was the driver, so the cops are saying Carter was driving a 2nd car racing against the car that crashed.

 

[TheRazorsEdge]

He's not going to Jail, he won't face a felony and the parallels to wild police chases that ended in crashes and national murder cases (without any evidence at the time of charges) are super extreme and muddy the waters of what's clear to anyone who reads on what the PD has put out.

They have video evidence - he was at the scene - cooperated with police - allowed to leave the scene. Police found inconsistencies with where he said he was when the other vehicle crashed. Looked into it and found them speeding/racing at some point that night.

Unless they have proof (which they don't, or this would have been a felony charge) that Jalen Carter was racing the other vehicle at the time of the crash - a felony would not stick.

This isn't a murder mystery, this isn't something like Brian Laudrie, where there was no evidence outside of hearsay at the time (until they found bodies) or isn't something where a police offer SAW them racing..chased them which resulted in a crash.

Ultimately I'm not arguing his innocence and I feel as tho I'm met with some of that energy. I hope he doesn't get drafted and is made an example...however the NFL has had many opportunities to do this in the past and failed miserably. I see this as being no different.

 

[XLIX]

Just to be clear, Cater was definitely not driving the car involved in the crash that killed two people. One of the two people killed was the driver, so the cops are saying Carter was driving a 2nd car racing against the car that crashed.

Yes that is correct. That being said….. legally, as a participant in a race, he can be criminally charged with what happened in the other car - even if he was 300 feet in front and didn’t cause the crash. He can also be civilly liable, so he may not want to spend his upcoming signing bonus.

Can the authorities prove any of the above beyond a reasonable doubt? Impossible to say given that we don’t really know what the evidence is.

This isn't a murder mystery, this isn't something like Brian Laudrie, where there was no evidence outside of hearsay at the time (until they found bodies) or isn't something where a police offer SAW them racing..chased them which resulted in a crash.

It’s obvious my point when mentioning Laundrie went way over some peoples’ heads, despite how crystal clear my statement was. I regret ever having bright it up.

Do I think he’s going to jail? I doubt it. I think all parties involved will be happy with a misdemeanor guilty plea. The authorities may offer him that option with the underlying threat that if he pleads not guilty, they’re going after him for the whole 9 yards - i.e. felony charges.

 

[TheRazorsEdge]

Do I think he’s going to jail? I doubt it. I think all parties involved will be happy with a misdemeanor guilty plea.

Ah! We're on the same side then, after all.

 

[TheRazorsEdge]

It’s obvious my point when mentioning Laundrie went way over some peoples’ heads, despite how crystal clear my statement was. I regret ever having bright it up.

I understood you. There are cases where the initial charges are nothing more than place holders , as the PD/State countinues to sort it's **** and pile on more charges.

What I should have explained better is that I believe the type of case/situation matters a whole lot.

Anyway, seems like we're on the same page.

Onto the draft I say.

 

[mike_usagisan]

Granted, I don't watch enough CBS procedurals, is lying to the police when making a statement considered a crime?

 

[XLIX]

Granted, I don't watch enough CBS procedurals, is lying to the police when making a statement considered a crime?

Yes - but he won’t be doing any time for that.

 

[XLIX]

Ah! We're on the same side then, after all.

I’d say mostly so, but I have no qualms with making predictions and then changing them just as fast as more info comes out. Some may call it backtracking, but to me it is simply reassessing the situation as we learn more.

 

[crawhammer]

Just to be clear, Cater was definitely not driving the car involved in the crash that killed two people. One of the two people killed was the driver, so the cops are saying Carter was driving a 2nd car racing against the car that crashed.

For all we know Carter drove the other car off the road. Presumably unintentionally, but it's possible. He fled the scene of the accident with two of his friends dead or dying in the wreckage. Later on he lied to the police. Carter's credibility is extremely low so I'm not giving him the benefit of the doubt for anything.

 

[XLIX]

For all we know Carter drove the other car off the road.

 

[TinhWoodhead]

Jailen Carter now

 

[jimnance]

Lucky for him the NFL doesn't weigh heavily on character.

Sad but true

 

[PatsFanInVa]

THKAG (briefly)

 

[40yrpatsfan]

From last April, here is a case in Georgia where the surviving driver was charged with murder for the death of the person he was racing.

GSP Blame Street Racing For Fatal White County Crash, Surviving Driver Charged with Murder - WRWH

(Blairsville)- The Georgia State Patrol has identified the driver killed in a wreck during a police chase in White County Saturday as 37-year-old Rhyan Coley Davis of Gainsville. Troopers say Davis struck another vehicle head-on during the chase on State Route 17 north of Helen. The wreck...

www.wrwh.com

Based on this other case, it sounds to me like he'll be charged with murder and probably spend 20+ years in prison. He was racing another car that crashed with fatalities, just like in this other case. It sounds like they have evidence, probably video of them racing, as well as witnesses. The crash apparently occurred while they were racing, not later, then he left the scene to boot.

It's the same as this other case where the guy was charged with murder, and in that case the guy was miles removed from where the crash occurred.

The NFL needs to remove him from this draft, and if he's somehow cleared later this year then he can enter next year's draft. Teams shouldn't have to take the risk of either taking or passing on such a premier #1-overall talent.