Post Game Thread- Pats beat the Chiefs

[Ring 6]

Man, if you look at that game, the Pats ran 20+ more plays and had the ball for almost 13 more minutes. If you had told me that before the game, I would have predicted a huge pats blow out.

69 and 75 yard TDs will cause that. Plus a 97 yard ko return.

 

[patchick]

I really don't understand this sentiment. We see crappy early-career QBs light up the Pats D all the time. It's a Belichick specialty, it's been going on for YEARS and none of these guys ever amount to anything.

This is a common refrain around here, but I'm not sure it's reality. Remember the stat last night that the BB Patriots are 23-0 at home against quarterbacks under age 25? (Now 24-0. ) I have a feeling that we might be falling prey to a trick of memory--the handful of times a young nobody lights up the Patriots stick in our minds, while the many, many times they get overwhelmed fade into the mist because they're typical and not noteworthy.

Regardless, I'm rating Mahomes based on my own eyes, in multiple games. I think he's going to be really good. If you've rated him as "crappy," then we simply disagree and time will tell.

 

[ErniesPinkStripes]

They're blaming the refs? The Refs allowed them back into the game.

- Long KO Return - Should have been called back for Illegal Block in the back by Zombo on Slater
- 75 yard TD to Hill - Should have been called back because Fisher had his hand on KVN's facemask again - Illegal Hands to the face.

Literally every game New England has ever won has been blamed on the refs. Every single one.

 

[Ring 6]

I am still waiting for someone to explain to me the KC XP instead of the 2PC attempt when down by two?

Here is the logic. Lot of time left in the game.
If you go for 2 and don’t get it you are down 2 and a td and pat puts you down 2 scores.
Being down 1 instead of down 2 is a major difference esp when you are about to give the ball back to tfb.
Being down 1 he can’t put you 2 scores back.

 

[Ring 6]

This is a common refrain around here, but I'm not sure it's reality. Remember the stat last night that the BB Patriots are 23-0 at home against quarterbacks under age 25? (Now 24-0. ) I have a feeling that we might be falling prey to a trick of memory--the handful of times a young nobody lights up the Patriots stick in our minds, while the many, many times they get overwhelmed fade into the mist because they're typical and not noteworthy.

Regardless, I'm rating Mahomes based on my own eyes, in multiple games. I think he's going to be really good. If you've rated him as "crappy," then we simply disagree and time will tell.

Some people still think that when you play prevent defense with a big lead and end up allowing a lot of yards while they run down the clock and never catch up that it’s bad defense.
Defense isn’t about stopping the other team it’s about forcing the other team to not be able to score more points than you.

 

[luuked]

Here is the logic. Lot of time left in the game.
If you go for 2 and don’t get it you are down 2 and a td and pat puts you down 2 scores.
Being down 1 instead of down 2 is a major difference esp when you are about to give the ball back to tfb.
Being down 1 he can’t put you 2 scores back.

He can actually. This was something I wrote in the GDT yesterday given how the game was going. If we had scored a TD instead of FG being 1 up I would have seriously considered going for 2 to make it a 2 possession game instead of being only 8 up.

With the rationale that I trust our stacked offense more to make a 2pt conv than our defense preventing a KC 2pt play.

 

[BadMoFo]

Bye bye beer tosser.

 

[Ring 6]

He can actually. This was something I wrote in the GDT yesterday given how the game was going. If we had scored a TD instead of FG being 1 up I would have seriously considered going for 2 to make it a 2 possession game instead of being only 8 up.

With the rationale that I trust our stacked offense more to make a 2pt conv than our defense preventing a KC 2pt play.

Well yes but now you are putting the onus on the other team to make the 2 instead of yourself.

I was thinking the same thing too but would have kicked it. Ahead 8 forces them to go for 2 to tie you, which literally makes it twice as hard.

 

[Uptown]

 

[Kontradiction]

Bye bye beer tosser.

 

[Deus Irae]

This isn’t directed at me but I think the offense and defense played pretty comparibly inconsistent. If not for the Brady fumble then the O would get the edge.

Defense set up a score and got also gave up 7 weak points after the KO return and that’s ignoring the short field on the fumble.

I answered this question on the first page of this thread. The defense played overall MEH. As did the offense.

Thos is the sort if idiotic equivalency that 3 year old children make. The offense wasn't perfect, but perfection is never achieved, and a couple of plays were really bad. The defense **** all over itself, but made a couple of plays.

That doesn't make them equal.

 

[Uptown]

 

[mosi]

They're blaming the refs? The Refs allowed them back into the game.

- Long KO Return - Should have been called back for Illegal Block in the back by Zombo on Slater
- 75 yard TD to Hill - Should have been called back because Fisher had his hand on KVN's facemask again - Illegal Hands to the face.

Yeah, I noticed that block in the back immediately and it was blatant. Basically he was held until he was pushed down with a block to the back. This was all right as the runner was going past.

 

[Deus Irae]

Its situational football. Tom's fumble turned the tide. D and O played well until that point with only ST coverage missing on another solid complementary football game.

“The defence did not do its job“ is lame. Three defensive RZ stops and two interceptions in 1st half allowed NE to play from the front (like BB and TB asked for) after a shaky start by offense . and that was one of the keys to win this game that was always going to be tough on D..

No.

If you're going to try to go so far down the road as to talk about the first two or three drives as "a shaky start", particularly when the first drive went 7 plays and moved the ball to the KC 40, and the second produced a FG drive after starting from the NE 25, then you have to acknowledge that the defense would have gotten smoked even more if Mahomes hadn't missed a couple of wide open receivers on passes that would have meant the defense got its ass kicked even more.

The defense didn't do its job. That's true beyond a doubt.

 

[Deus Irae]

The "new-look" NFL, where over-emphasis on offense = basketball in cleats.

All four of the "major" U.S. sports have removed physicality from their games. It's not been a good decision for any of the leagues. All four sports are less enjoyable today than they were in the 80's and 90's (Well, basketball in the early/mid 90's took the physicality too far, so one could argue about that era of BB v. Today).

 

[FCB02062]

Felger and Mazz aren't impressed with the Pats' win....shocker...

 

[chris_in_sunnyvale]

Interesting..

Every game in almost every sport, you see something you haven’t seen before. In this one, Tom Brady’s 200th regular-season victory (first quarterback ever to do that), his most memorable play from the game will be one that might be unprecedented in his career.

Third-and-goal from the Chiefs’ 4-yard line, 5:32 left in the game, Chiefs up 33-30. After watching the replay six or eight times, this sticks out: Kansas City rushes three and drops eight into coverage. Chiefs defensive coordinator Bob Sutton did something I’ve never seen before—assuming I saw what I think I saw.




• Julian Edelman, double-covered, bracketed by Steven Nelson and Jordan Lucas.

• Rob Gronkowski, double-covered by safeties Josh Shaw and Ron Parker.

• James White, double-covered by linebackers Anthony Hitchens and Dee Ford.

• Two other receivers, Josh Gordon and Chris Hogan, singled.


I don’t recall ever seeing a defense double three men on one play, but Chiefs defensive coordinator Bob Sutton—who gets a ton of respect from the Patriots—doesn’t play by everyone else’s rules.

So Kansas City rushed three: linemen Chris Jones and Allen Bailey, and linebacker Breeland Speaks. Though Speaks almost sacked Brady, and I’ll never figure out why he didn’t follow through on what could have been a drive-stopping sack, Brady got free. (Editor’s note: Speaks had a new rule on his mind.) On the replay, you see these eight cover guys myopically taking their men out of the play. But they weren’t looking at Brady. He had to be looking over the field and thinking, This is the damndest thing I’ve ever seen: three of my guys doubled! But the upshot of that was a big patch of green between Brady around the five and the end zone, and … “I’ve got to watch it tomorrow,” Brady said around midnight, “but I got close to the goal line and figured I’d try to get in. We needed it.”

Who does this? Who devotes six men to three of the opposition? Sutton did, and it almost worked. But Brady, who has a ton of one-yard sneaks for scores, rarely runs near the goal line from any length like this one. He dove (Gisele had to be covering her eyes) and made it.


FMIA Week 6: Tom Brady’s Never Seen Anything Like Patriots-Chiefs

I like it for several reasons:

- 3rd and goal: I'm a big proponent of saving new stuff on D for 3rd downs.

- There are only 5 eligible receivers on every play. Doubling 3 considered the most dangerous is a great way to force the so called lesser threats to beat you.

- For the single coverage on the remaining two, the short field dimensions on an and-goal situation can assist the defenders in choosing optimum coverage technique.

- The primary threat ends up being the QB taking off and running. Brady is 41 and not considered a primary ground threat. KC played the odds either he wouldn't run or that they could get to him in time. They lost...barely, considering they almost had him sacked.

Regards,
Chris

 

[Mack Herron]

We gave up a 65 yard pass, a 75 yard pass, a 99 yard return, and a turnover in our end of the field. And we still won. As you were.

 

[Deus Irae]

The refs missed lots of things last night. On that long run kick return, I swear Slater was basically held and subsequently pushed down from the back. That is what sprung the KC guy.

A good example of this is on the play where a Patriots OPI was called (and offset by a defensive hold elsewhere). The OPI was the result of the WR trying to break free of a defender holding his arm.

 

[Deus Irae]

Bye bye beer tosser.

It's ridiculous that the team took things that far, IMO. Rod Woodson was excellent on this subject today.