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Post Game Thread- Pats beat the Chiefs

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Man, if you look at that game, the Pats ran 20+ more plays and had the ball for almost 13 more minutes. If you had told me that before the game, I would have predicted a huge pats blow out.
 
I am still waiting for someone to explain to me the KC XP instead of the 2PC attempt when down by two?
 
I blame the kicking game more than the defense for how close the game was (although the D didn't help itself). A squib kick when we're ahead? Not one, but TWO short kickoffs when KC is known to have a great return game? C'mon man! Agreed on the Goat and the Gost, although that fumble by Brady was an ugly, uncharacteristic mistake. Throw it away TFB (you were still awesome).

Remember, those kicking calls are made by BB and Judge. Not Gostkowski.

I will say that the 97 yard return should have been called back because Zombo pushed Slater down from behind and that's been called "Illegal block in the back" every other time I've seen it.
 
Can someone put a GPS on D. Allen? Is he still on this team? I would like to know his where about.

Guess you didn't watch the game. He was playing last night. In on early down running plays..
 
Yes, we just won a huge game but lets focus on Dwayne ****ing Allen and Philip Dorset because they suck and vanished last night blah blah blah

Some of the posters here are a joke.
 
If you guys want some entertainment...

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They are blaming bob sutton, mahomes, andy reid and da reffzz.


They're blaming the refs? The Refs allowed them back into the game.

- Long KO Return - Should have been called back for Illegal Block in the back by Zombo on Slater
- 75 yard TD to Hill - Should have been called back because Fisher had his hand on KVN's facemask again - Illegal Hands to the face.
 
Also:

-Going for it on 4th down
-Squib kick

I had no issue with them going for it on 4th down. The PLAY CALL was horrible for it. With how jumpy the KC D-line was all night, the Pats should have lined up spread with Brady under center and White in the backfield. Try to draw them offsides with a hard count and if that didn't work, you still have the option of the QB dive, the RB Dive or a quick pass.
 
The outcome can be pretty irrelevant if you are trying to judge calls as something that has a genius design and succeeds in 80% of the cases might fail in that specific instance and something that is an awful low percentage idea might succeed. Just because one of the two succeeded and the other failed (i.e. one made points the other didnt) doesn't make the successful one a good call.

Similarly it is pointless to look at the success KC had in the second half and ignore that a lot of their issues in the first half had to do with execution.

Not really. They could have had two more TDs in the first half had Mahomes not thrown off his back foot. The miss to Hunt in the first quarter is a perfect example of what was happening when he wasn't able to diagnose what the Pats were doing pre-snap and they got a rusher in his face. Those rushers weren't getting anywhere near that much pressure through large portions of the second half. That was because he appeared to be able to see what we were doing a bit more clearly. And that still doesn't dispute that point that points in a sport are never irrelevant in a conversation. They're always relevant.

That is what I saw. I didn't see even close to the amount of advanced disguises in the second half as in the first. You don't have 20 of them going into a game and can just use one every 4 plays. I think they just used a lot of their ammunition in the first half to jump out fast. I mean the most confusing look they gave Mahomes in the entire second half was the cover 0 call.

It's possible but I don't recall them disguising less in the second half in obvious passing situations.

I saw a defense that played well for 90% of the game against an absolute elite offense and at times against their own offense (turnovers) and ST (returns). As Schofield has said in his Podcast, given the context the defense played essentially a game where they gave up 27-30 points. Which I will take any day against an offense like KC.

I'll disagree here. Ignoring the TD that was given up after the 97 yard return, the Chiefs still had 3 out of their 6 second half drives that went for TDs. In other words, even taking out the drive after the long return, 50% of their drives ended in 7 points.

Again you keep ignoring the context of how the game ended up so close. With the offense turning the ball over twice, short fields and ST mishaps.

Actually, I'm not ignoring the return at all. I've repeatedly tossed that out. The drive after the fumble I will absolutely include, however. They still had to go 30 yards to hit paydirt and they did when Mahomes tossed up a rainbow into the corner against, again, the #1 guy the Pats had to take out.

I don't even get why you keep referring to it as first half and second half defense. It is the same unit and they played for 60 minutes. It is an overall performance. But keep being negative if that floats your boat. Given how things looked a few weeks ago against Detroit I am pretty happy with where the defense is. I think that overall this might be the most solid team we have had in a while. Maybe since 2014.

It's the same unit of players but the defense was wildly different from the first half to the second half. Hence, first half defense and second half defense. The first half defense didn't have any blown coverages, stuck to their assignments, and held the Chiefs to 9 points while forcing two turnovers. That's good defense. The second half defense allowed 31 points and blew coverages which directly led to 14 of those 31 points. That's not good defense. This shouldn't be that hard to understand unless you're willfully trying to ignore it.

The offense, on the other hand, was fine. Your only critique of them is that they didn't play a perfect game. Yet they held the ball for almost a quarter more, gained over 500 yards of total offense, and scored 43 points. If the defense didn't wet itself in the second half, this would have been a blowout. Put another way, consider this - your critique of the offense is that they weren't perfect while your defense of the defense is that they blew coverages. That should tell you all you need to know about who to blame for this bad boy coming down to a FG at the end and who you should be thanking.
 
I know Andy Reid has some major head scratchers with his time management (perhaps he should hire someone to stand next to him or get an analytics person on the headset?), but I really believe he is the second best coach in the NFL, for his quarterback development, game strategies,and scouting/drafting input. The guy took an Eagles team with master choke artist Donovan McNabb to five NFC Championship Games, lost a Super Bowl to one of the best teams of all-time, turned Alex Smith into an MVP candidate, and now has put together an absolutely lights-out group of skill players, while having key input into drafting Mahomes. He has outcoached Belichick several times when it comes to Xs and Os; I'd say tonight was a toss-up. He's pretty deserving of a title and absolutely someone I'd want to build my franchise if I couldn't have Belichick. He is certainly a better choice than the comical, yet consensus pick for second-best head coach, Mike Tomlin (lol).

I think McVay has surpassed Tomlin as the consensus second best coach pick at this point.
 
The corners and safeties coaches have some work to do.

Well, Safeties are the responsibility of Steven Belichick, but he answers to Flores who answers to BB.. Would be interesting to be a fly on the wall during the DBs meeting and review of the game.
 
A pox on you as well. Here is the lamentable forecast of what you and your fellow Millennial attention-deficit fantasy twits are in the process of creating:



Also, with Dave's Dandy Team losing, I'm now moving up into 2nd place and I have the most amount of points scored in the league. In my friends league, I beat my friend Matt 140.28 - 110.28. In my family league, however, I'm losing to my uncle Bill.
 
I am still waiting for someone to explain to me the KC XP instead of the 2PC attempt when down by two?

Because they knew both teams would keep scoring. 40-40 was looming. I think the thing the Chiefs did that screwed them was scoring so fast.
 
I am still waiting for someone to explain to me the KC XP instead of the 2PC attempt when down by two?

With more than 9 minutes on the clock at that point and with the "ease" that KC had been able to score in the 2nd half, I wasn't surprised by the call.
 
Yes, we just won a huge game but lets focus on Dwayne ****ing Allen and Philip Dorset because they suck and vanished last night blah blah blah

Some of the posters here are a joke.

No one is focusing on Allen and Dorsett (at least that I can see, I have quite a few posters blocked.. LOL) You might want to consider the sources and not waste the breath..
 
Well, Safeties are the responsibility of Steven Belichick, but he answers to Flores who answers to BB.. Would be interesting to be a fly on the wall during the DBs meeting and review of the game.

I remain uncomfortable with that arrangement.
 
Just a heads up.. this weeks GM Street could be pretty fascinating.

Lombardi tweeted this during yesterdays game:



And will follow up on it on this weeks podcast:

 
A pox on all fantasy football dweebs and dorks for bastardizing the ultimate team game.

I love fantasy football and don't like the increased scoring. It adds too much volatility to a game that was already pretty random. Now some random QB goes out and score 40 fantasy points and your matchup is basically over.

But I actually think the increased scoring it a product of rule changes to "increase player safety" as a result of the lawsuits that have come out saying the league didn't do enough to protect them. The increased scoring for fantasy football is a side-effect of that. (Unfortunately the rule changes aren't great and are enforced inconsistently, and decrease the quality of play, but that's another discussion)

Maybe I'm projecting, but my guess is the general public actually does not want to see tons of 43-40 track meets. It'll be interesting to see if there's a correction to put in place rules that favor the defense but don't add risk to the players.
 
No one is focusing on Allen and Dorsett (at least that I can see, I have quite a few posters blocked.. LOL) You might want to consider the sources and not waste the breath..
point taken lol
 
Just a heads up.. this weeks GM Street could be pretty fascinating.

Lombardi tweeted this during yesterdays game:



And will follow up on it on this weeks podcast:



But he doesn't flail and tap all his receivers on the back and yell Omaha a bunch! I don't believe it. Peyton didn't need an offensive coordinator, because he was his own offensive coordinator.
 
I remain uncomfortable with that arrangement.

Do you honestly think that Belichick isn't harder on his sons than anyone else? Think about it. His mantra is "Do your job". It's unlikely that Steven get's promoted from coaching assistant to position coach without having excelled previously.
 
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