Pope Francis - Joy of the Gospel

[RI Patriots fan]

"The reservation of the priesthood to males, as a sign of Christ the Spouse who gives himself in the Eucharist, is not a question open to discussion."


"The poor include all defenceless, excluded and weak persons as a whole, whom the Church is called to take loving care of. “Among the vulnerable for whom the Church wishes to care with particular love and concern are unborn children, the most defenceless and innocent among us.” Francis links the defence of the unborn to the defence of the human rights of any person, considered as sacred and inviolable. “It is not “progressive” to try to resolve problems by eliminating a human life."


"Experiencing and telling others about the joyous salvation given by the Risen Christ and the means He uses is the vocation of all Christians and the Church’s reason for existing. Experiencing a personal encounter with Jesus is the “source and inspiration of all our efforts at evangelization.”


"Pope Francis believes changes need to be made to the way in which the Gospel is announced. For example the way in which certain issues which are part of the Church’s moral teaching are represented in the media is called into question. The “occasionally biased media coverage” of the Church’s teaching means its message “runs a greater risk of being distorted or reduced to some of its secondary aspects.” This happens when “certain issues which are part of the Church’s moral teaching are taken out of the context which gives them their meaning.”


Francis: This is how the joy of the Gospel can reform the Church - Vatican Insider

 

[DarrylS]

Somehow you left this part out... yea but, will ensue.

“Just as the commandment ‘Thou shalt not kill’ sets a clear limit in order to safeguard the value of human life, today we also have to say ‘thou shalt not’ to an economy of exclusion and inequality. Such an economy kills.”

“Human beings are themselves considered consumer goods to be used and then discarded.”

“In this context, some people continue to defend trickle-down theories which assume that economic growth, encouraged by a free market, will inevitably succeed in bringing about greater justice and inclusiveness in the world. This opinion, which has never been confirmed by the facts, expresses a crude and naïve trust in the goodness of those wielding economic power and in the sacralized workings of the prevailing economic system. Meanwhile, the excluded are still waiting.”

“While the earnings of a minority are growing exponentially, so too is the gap separating the majority from the prosperity enjoyed by those happy few. This imbalance is the result of ideologies which defend the absolute autonomy of the marketplace and financial speculation.”

“In this system, which tends to devour everything which stands in the way of increased profits, whatever is fragile, like the environment, is defenseless before the interests of a deified market.”

“As long as the problems of the poor are not radically resolved by rejecting the absolute autonomy of markets and financial speculation and by attacking the structural causes of inequality, no solution will be found for the world’s problems or, for that matter, to any problems. Inequality is the root of social ills.”

“The economy can no longer turn to remedies that are a new poison, such as attempting to increase profits by reducing the work force and thereby adding to the ranks of the excluded.”

“Politics, though often denigrated, remains a lofty vocation and one of the highest forms of charity, inasmuch as it seeks the common good. [...] I beg the Lord to grant us more politicians who are genuinely disturbed by the state of society, the people, the lives of the poor!. It is vital that government leaders and financial leaders take heed and broaden their horizons, working to ensure that all citizens have dignified work, education and healthcare.”

 

[RI Patriots fan]

Somehow you left this part out... yea but, will ensue.

I have no problem with what he said in regards to any of those remarks. What I wanted to point out was that in regards to women priests and abortion he was quite clear that there could be no discussion and that the church could not change it's teaching as I've said all along.


As much as you'd like to believe otherwise, this Pope is not a Progressive.

BTW, I loved his little swipe at "Progressives"

 

[PatsFanInVa]

Yep, just hang onto the pelvic issues, RIP Fan. You're right, they'd kick him right out of NOW.... and the Chamber of Commerce.

Some people continue to defend trickle-down theories which assume that economic growth, encouraged by a free market, will inevitably succeed in bringing about greater justice and inclusiveness in the world. This opinion, which has never been confirmed by the facts, expresses a crude and naïve trust in the goodness of those wielding economic power and in the sacralized workings of the prevailing economic system. Meanwhile, the excluded are still waiting. To sustain a lifestyle which excludes others, or to sustain enthusiasm for that selfish ideal, a globalization of indifference has developed.

Do you continue to defend trickle-down theories which assume that economic growth, encouraged by a free market, will inevitably succeed in bringing about greater justice and inclusiveness in the world?

Do you sustain enthusiasm for that selfish ideal?

No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

 

[RI Patriots fan]

Yep, just hang onto the pelvic issues, RIP Fan. You're right, they'd kick him right out of NOW.... and the Chamber of Commerce.



Do you continue to defend trickle-down theories which assume that economic growth, encouraged by a free market, will inevitably succeed in bringing about greater justice and inclusiveness in the world?

Do you sustain enthusiasm for that selfish ideal?

My church is hanging unto those "pelvic issues". Always has...always will. That was my point. I wanted to show you and Progressives like you something I knew already....the teachings of the Universal and Ordinary Magisterium cannot change or as the Pope said quite clearly...."no discussion".

He isn't "declaring it" in this letter.....he understands that he doesn't have the authority to contradict teaching handed to us from our Lord or his Apostles.

As for his teaching on "trickle down economics", he is merely stating what the church has always taught....that the rich have a responsibility to the poor.

The key in this teaching is the first line (Catholic Catechism):

2424 A theory that makes profit the exclusive norm and ultimate end of economic activity is morally unacceptable. The disordered desire for money cannot but produce perverse effects. It is one of the causes of the many conflicts which disturb the social order.204

A system that "subordinates the basic rights of individuals and of groups to the collective organization of production" is contrary to human dignity.205 Every practice that reduces persons to nothing more than a means of profit enslaves man, leads to idolizing money, and contributes to the spread of atheism. "You cannot serve God and mammon."206

2425 The Church has rejected the totalitarian and atheistic ideologies associated in modem times with "communism" or "socialism." She has likewise refused to accept, in the practice of "capitalism," individualism and the absolute primacy of the law of the marketplace over human labor.207 Regulating the economy solely by centralized planning perverts the basis of social bonds; regulating it solely by the law of the marketplace fails social justice, for "there are many human needs which cannot be satisfied by the market."208 Reasonable regulation of the marketplace and economic initiatives, in keeping with a just hierarchy of values and a view to the common good, is to be commended."


Catechism of the Catholic Church - The seventh commandment


Nothing new to see here for those who understood the teachings of the RCC.

 

[DarrylS]

El Rushbo is upset at the Pope's "Progressive" Views...

Pure Marxism???

Rush Limbaugh scorches Pope Francis

"Pope Francis attacked unfettered capitalism as 'a new tyranny.' He beseeched global leaders to fight poverty and growing inequality, in a document on Tuesday setting out a platform for his papacy and calling for a renewal of the Catholic Church. In it, Pope Francis went further than previous comments criticizing the global economic system, attacking the 'idolatry of money.' "

I've gotta be very caref-- I have been numerous times to the Vatican. It wouldn't exist without tons of money. But, regardless, what this is -- somebody has either written this for him or gotten to him. This is just pure Marxism coming out of the mouth of the pope. There's no such -- "unfettered capitalism"? That doesn't exist anywhere.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.


It's a good thing for the Catholic church that it is now represented by someone who believes its most consistently expressed scriptural foundations: responsibility for our fellow man, compassion for the poor, utter disdain for the accumulation of wealth.

Face it RIP - your pope is going back to basics. If you are lucky, he'll bring you along with him.

I am fortunate enough to know some Christians -- politically conservative ones at that -- who take these messages to heart.

I think this pope recognizes that it's easy to tell yourself "It's their own damn fault." It's harder to say "There but for the grace of God go I."

I think he chooses to do that, not because it is easy, but because it is hahd, to coin a phrase. From what I have seen of him publicly, he does not want his church looking at the mote in someone else's eye while there is a beam in it own.

If anything religion gives us a humbling idea of a perfect being through which we can examine our own behavior -- a very high standard. It's not about using that view to look at others' behavior, or indulging our native tendency to do so.

He doesn't espouse a religion to swing it as a club of others; he seems much more concerned with loving all people and being inclusive.

But I am sure you feel that the Pope is not as up on Catholic teachings as you are.

He is, however, your daddy on this subject matter. You're getting the nice "Mr. Brady" lectures. You should heed them. If it comes to having to spell it out for you and other "conservative catholics," it may really, really sting.

 

[RI Patriots fan]

No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.


It's a good thing for the Catholic church that it is now represented by someone who believes its most consistently expressed scriptural foundations: responsibility for our fellow man, compassion for the poor, utter disdain for the accumulation of wealth.

Face it RIP - your pope is going back to basics. If you are lucky, he'll bring you along with him.

I am fortunate enough to know some Christians -- politically conservative ones at that -- who take these messages to heart.

I think this pope recognizes that it's easy to tell yourself "It's their own damn fault." It's harder to say "There but for the grace of God go I."

I think he chooses to do that, not because it is easy, but because it is hahd, to coin a phrase. From what I have seen of him publicly, he does not want his church looking at the mote in someone else's eye while there is a beam in it own.

If anything religion gives us a humbling idea of a perfect being through which we can examine our own behavior -- a very high standard. It's not about using that view to look at others' behavior, or indulging our native tendency to do so.

He doesn't espouse a religion to swing it as a club of others; he seems much more concerned with loving all people and being inclusive.

But I am sure you feel that the Pope is not as up on Catholic teachings as you are.

He is, however, your daddy on this subject matter. You're getting the nice "Mr. Brady" lectures. You should heed them. If it comes to having to spell it out for you and other "conservative catholics," it may really, really sting.

I know you think you understand what the Pope is saying but just like his comments on atheists and homosexuality, you really don't understand what he is saying. More importantly, you don't understand under what capacity he is speaking and to what degree.

This letter is not an ex cathedra pronouncement or even an encyclical but rather an "apostolic exhortation" which in the rankings of Papal letters is on the low end with no doctrinal implications (outside of doctrines/dogma it references).

That being said, I'm not sure how you can say that "he's my daddy" when I agree with his exhortation as understood against the consistent teachings of the church. I believe in the rich caring for the truly poor. I believe that everyone is called to the Catholic church and faith in Christ. I believe that no one can see into the heart of another so you cannot judge the person as good or evil.

That being said, the church doesn't teach that we solve our problems through Socialism or abortion on demand or gay marriage. It rejects all those things as evil and much like the Pope, is willing to call out evil and stand against it.

Yeah, so enjoy tilting at windmills Donnie

 

[PatsFanInVa]

You're going to be fighting this battle for years, RIP Fan

I'm not your problem. Francis is.

 

[RI Patriots fan]

You're going to be fighting this battle for years, RIP Fan

I'm not your problem. Francis is.

Sorry Donnie. The Windmills aren't giants.

 

[DarrylS]

More from that document...

"While the earnings of a minority are growing exponentially, so too is the gap separating the majority from the prosperity enjoyed by those happy few. This imbalance is the result of ideologies which defend the absolute autonomy of the marketplace and financial speculation. Consequently, they reject the right of states, charged with vigilance for the common good, to exercise any form of control."

Money must serve, not rule! The Pope loves everyone, rich and poor alike, but he is obliged in the name of Christ to remind all that the rich must help, respect and promote the poor. I exhort you to generous solidarity and a return of economics and finance to an ethical approach which favours human beings."

"Today in many places we hear a call for greater security. But until exclusion and inequality in society and between peoples is reversed, it will be impossible to eliminate violence."

 

[DarrylS]

The false sense of the idolatry of doctrine is once again minimized....

 

[DarrylS]

This will get difficult for some as conflicts arise...

************ is a capitalist

In paragraphs 57 and 203, Pope Francis decries capitalism for its “manipulation and debasement of the person.” Yet that is exactly what socialism does. Only capitalism exalts the individual amidst personal liberty and allows each person to achieve his or her full potential.

Worst of all, this controversy encourages misery, poverty and the destruction of human lives. ************ is weeping in heaven hearing Christians espouse a socialist philosophy that has created suffering and poverty around the world. It is impossible to love one’s neighbor as yourself without fighting against socialism, meaning government meddling in private lives.

And there is the Rush blowback... but for the pill popping, 4X married, favorite son draft dodger any publicity is good publicity...

Tell Rush Limbaugh: We support Pope Francis! - Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good

We are disturbed by Rush Limbaugh's incendiary comments last Wednesday, November 27th about Pope Francis and are joining together with Catholics and other allies throughout the nation to support the Holy Father. To call the Francis a proponent of "pure marxism" is both mean spirited and naive. Francis's critique of unrestrained capitalism is in line with the Church's social teaching. His particular criticism of "trickle down economics" strengthens what Church authorities have said for decades: any economic system which deprives the poor of their dignity has no place within a just society.

Contrary to what Mr. Limbaugh suggests, the Catholic Church isn't built on money, but on the firm foundation of ************.

 

[DarrylS]

Another day, another nice deed by the pope....on his birthday.

Wonder if they were vetted to make sure they were really needy, you never know when a rich homeless person is gonna sneak in and get a free meal...

Pope shares his birthday breakfast with homeless

VATICAN CITY (AP) — Four homeless people, one of them bringing his dog, helped Pope Francis celebrate his 77th birthday at the Vatican Tuesday.

They live on the street in the Rome neighborhood just outside the Holy See's walls and were invited by the Vatican official in charge of alms-giving to attend the morning Mass which Francis celebrates daily at the hotel where he lives on Vatican City grounds, the Vatican said.

One of the men held his dog as he was presented to Francis after the guests chatted following Mass.

The Vatican also said Francis invited his household help to join him in a "family-like" atmosphere, and he spoke of them one by one during his homily.

 

[DarrylS]

Pope Francis does not quit, almost every day he makes a significant statement...

Pope Francis concluded his Audience by pointing out two considerations we can take away from these considerations on the Nativity of Jesus: The first is that God reveals Himself not as one who remains on high and dominates the universe, but as one who humbles Himself. This shows us that in order to be like Him, we must not put ourselves above others, but must humble ourselves and serve others. He had strong words for Christians who refuse to humble themselves: “It is an ugly thing,” he said, “when you see a Christian who doesn’t want to humble himself, who doesn’t want to serve, a Christian who struts about everywhere: it’s ugly, eh? That is not a Christian: that’s a pagan!”

The second consideration is that, if Jesus has become one of us, than whatever we do for a brother or a sister, we do for Him. “Jesus Himself reminds us: He who has fed, welcomed, visited, loved one of the smallest and poorest of people, has done it for the Son of God.”

Text from page Pope Francis: Jesus is God-with-us
of the Vatican Radio website

 

[DarrylS]

Ruh Roh!!! Now bare breasteses in the Sistine Chapel.. when will this end??

Next will be public fornication...

"If they are hungry, mothers, feed them, without thinking twice. Because they are the most important people here," he said, speaking in the same room where he was elected on March 13 as the first non-European Pope in 1,300 years.

Francis said in an interview last month that mothers should not feel uncomfortable breast feeding during his ceremonies.

 

[RI Patriots fan]

Pope Francis Calls Abortion 'Horrific' In 'State Of The World' Address


VATICAN CITY, Jan 13 (Reuters) - Pope Francis, whom conservatives in the Roman Catholic Church have accused of not speaking out forcefully enough against abortion, on Monday called the practice "horrific".

The pope made his toughest remarks to date on abortion in his yearly address to diplomats accredited to the Vatican, a speech known as his "State of the World" address.

"It is horrific even to think that there are children, victims of abortion, who will never see the light of day," he said in a section of the speech about the rights of children around the world.


Pope Francis Calls Abortion 'Horrific' In 'State Of The World' Address

 

[Mrs.PatsFanInVa]

Pope Francis Calls Abortion 'Horrific' In 'State Of The World' Address


VATICAN CITY, Jan 13 (Reuters) - Pope Francis, whom conservatives in the Roman Catholic Church have accused of not speaking out forcefully enough against abortion, on Monday called the practice "horrific".

The pope made his toughest remarks to date on abortion in his yearly address to diplomats accredited to the Vatican, a speech known as his "State of the World" address.

"It is horrific even to think that there are children, victims of abortion, who will never see the light of day," he said in a section of the speech about the rights of children around the world.


Pope Francis Calls Abortion 'Horrific' In 'State Of The World' Address

And you know what? I have no problem with him saying so - simply because he follows through on his belief.

He's not one of those conservative anti-abortion people who demands that women not breastfeed the infant in public once it's born and he's one of those rare "pro-life" individuals who believes, wholeheartedly, that we should all chip in and do whatever is necessary to help nurture and support the living children of poor mothers once they are born.

 

[RI Patriots fan]

And you know what? I have no problem with him saying so - simply because he follows through on his belief.

He's not one of those conservative anti-abortion people who demands that women not breastfeed the infant in public once it's born and he's one of those rare "pro-life" individuals who believes, wholeheartedly, that we should all chip in and do whatever is necessary to help nurture and support the living children of poor mothers once they are born.

So he's saying we should help poor mothers with a government run welfare system that rewards multiple births? I don't think so.....lol

I think he's saying we should help the truly poor which includes poor mothers but it doesn't have to be a government run welfare system.

 

[DarrylS]

So he's saying we should help poor mothers with a government run welfare system that rewards multiple births? I don't think so.....lol

I think he's saying we should help the truly poor which includes poor mothers but it doesn't have to be a government run welfare system.

How many times does the Bible implore a believer to help the poor... over 2,000 times...

How many times does the Bible ask you to help the rich.... less than 0.

There are some obscure passages, however for the most part there are no means tests mentioned or any other qualifying information to help the poor.