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  1. shmessy

    shmessy . PatsFans.com Supporter

    Sorry that the Sox season is over, but just had to say it.......

    Condolences to Shank and @FCB02062
     
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  2. robertweathers

    robertweathers PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Wish they won but a most unlikeable team to say the least.
     
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  3. IcyPatriot

    IcyPatriot Moderator Staff Member PatsFans.com Supporter

    5 games in a row that the starter dug a hole for the team - think the opponent was on to something?

    But can't say I really care. Would be nice to see Farrell, Ramirez and Pedroia shipped out for a bucket of balls.
     
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  4. Bertil

    Bertil Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

    The MLB Season needs a serious contraction.

    I loved baseball growing up, but it has serious problems sustaining interest over the 162 game schedule and the protracted playoff schedule. It's just so slow and drawn out. I wish they would shorten the season back to 154 games, four playoff teams in each league and the Playoffs/World Series at a reasonable hour, so fans can watch non-favorite teams without killing themselves with sleep deprivation. I also wouldn't mind seeing a contraction of the game itself into a 7-inning match, although MLB will never consider it.

    Football, as presently configured, is nearly perfect in every regard. I'd kill the Thursday Night games, but that's just me.
     
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  5. Sicilian

    Sicilian Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

    Team needs a lot of things this offseason:

    1) New manager - Can't really make a case otherwise, although I will say it's hard to win a playoff series when every single one of your starting pitchers craps himself in his playoff start. Sale might have been mismanaged but I can't blame the rest of them on Farrell.

    2) Get Hanley out however you can. He handcuffs them because of his unwillingness to play first base consistently, and he's not a good enough hitter anymore to put up with it.

    3) Either ship Pedroia out, or get one of the youngsters to step up and be a real leader on this team. Since I find the latter unlikely, it seems the former might be the only option.

    4) Get a legitimate everyday first baseman and use the DH spot as a rotation to give guys half days off.

    5) Add one 3-5 level starter, preferably someone with successful playoff experience (even if they're not world beaters in the regular season).
     
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  6. Froob

    Froob Independent Investigator & pliable af PatsFans.com Supporter

    Shouldn't have traded Jabaal Sheard, they really blew it.
     
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  7. reflexblue

    reflexblue PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Ive been saying that for the last two weeks
     
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  8. oldrover

    oldrover "You're gonna have to serve somebody..." PatsFans.com Supporter

    As soon as Farrell sent Sale back out for the 8th, I flashed back to Pedro and Grady Little in 2003...




    ...and McNamara not subbing Dave Stapleton at 1B in the bottom of the 10th in 1986.

    [​IMG]

    Another Sox manager lets the postseason rolls between his legs. o_O
     
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  9. captain stone

    captain stone Pro Bowl Player

    Farrell needs to go, as of yesterday. He never, EVAH should've been allowed to return to the dugout after his missed time. That should've been Dumbrowski's excuse to finally ****-can him for good.

    Dumbrowski then should trade ALL of his starters, plus Ramirez, for draft picks & young pitching. It's beyond time that this team stop trying to build a rotation by buying and/or giving away prospects for choke-artist vets who've already Been Paid.
     
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  10. Brady_to_Moss

    Brady_to_Moss 28-3.... PatsFans.com Supporter

    I can't follow baseball anymore...too many games...too slow for me. i'll stick to football and hockey
     
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  11. TommyBrady12

    TommyBrady12 Pro Bowl Player

    Go Nats!!!
     
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  12. I remember when my father, the human chimney, use to light his cigarettes with a match. When choosing a life partner it's always best to seek the perfect match. When it comes to baseball they play a GAME not a "match". If politics don't kill this country soccer references surely will.
     
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  13. borg

    borg Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

    Despite winning the AL Least, Boston's playoff performance mirrored their season and highlighted their extreme deficiencies.

    1) Station to station lineup in the New Home Run Era
    2) Swooning starting pitching carried into the playoffs
    3) Middle relievers better on paper than in real life
    4) $100 million of salary providing little to nothing on the field: Fat Panda, Porcello, Price, Han Ram, Castillo, Craig, Smith

    Unfortunately.....the extreme financial issues will not be going away any time soon. And with few assets in the minor league system ...plus major league chips that lost much of their shine...the Sox are stuck with this team.
    No way can this team win with so many slap hitters who can't even reach the wall.
    The Yankees will stomp them in '18
    I want Farrell gone just because his media sessions infuriate me to no end. I can't imagine having to listen to this wonk 24/7/365
    Pedroia...he's the Little Engine That Can't and deserves honorable mention in the most over rated MLB player category. Love his glove.....but not his 3 grounders/game
    Chili Davis......It was a great run....but baseball has transformed itself in 2 years and the station to station game no longer applies...not when the ball has been reconfigured to fly out of parks
    Bogaerts....no longer an enigma.....he is what he is....a singles hitter
    What I see are lots of smallish batters who are intimidated by the expansive right field and have adjusted to slap hitting mode to compensate
    I'm sure Big Dave would love to go after Stanton but his Saux can't match the likely bounty other teams have to offer
    Wild card next year....but don't expect them to win the one game play in.
     
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  14. resdubwhite

    resdubwhite In the Starting Line-Up

    at least Craig comes off the books this year. Han Ram next year.
    Castillo, Price and Pedroia will hurt for years to come.
     
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  15. Bertil

    Bertil Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

    I know it's not a baseball "match", but I'd already used the word "game" in the same sentence. Just trying to not be redundant by repeating myself over and over and saying the same thing again and again...
     
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  16. borg

    borg Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

    Other possibilities:
    snoozefest
    grass growing exhibit
    Neil Diamond sing along
     
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  17. Simpelton

    Simpelton 2nd Team Getting Their First Start

    This Red Sox team is one of the faster teams in franchise history. Our problem was, ironically, very poor effort in the station to station game. This is a doubles park first and foremost. Load the bases and plug the gaps is the traditional Fenway strategy (to paraphrase Earl Weaver, "pitching, defense and the 2 run double") and it works for us far more often than it doesn't. Our problem is not lack of power or lack of speed. For some reason the talent we have didn't execute up to its ability this year.

    They have all the talent they need at SP, if they can't get performance out of these pieces, then the problem is not with the pieces.
    Middle relief is the single area of any baseball franchise most prone to selection bias in analysis. It was also the best asset of the franchise this year. Yes the bullpen blows games, and of course every time they do, the bullpen is The Worst Thing Ever. You are disappointingly unexceptional in this.
    Many teams find ways to succeed without the kind of money we have tied up right now. Money is not the problem. Money was only ever the problem because it was spent poorly. Even with that money, we have all the talent we need to compete if we stop throwing people away the first time they don't look spotless.

    The Yankees have problems of their own. Let's wait until 18 to be so pointlessly gloomy. We beat NYY this year with all the horrible evil awful nasty uncomfortable flaws you didn't like. It's baseball. The only thing certain is nothing is certain.

    That is a terrible reason to dismiss a manager. Do you think you get extra runs after the game for a good press conference or something?

    Dismiss Farrell because you don't like the effort on the field, because you don't think he inspires the team, you don't think he's doing a good job of fostering chemistry, teaching fundamentals or both. That's his job. Managing the media is at best a side duty, and I honestly wish that teams would fob that off to a press secretary and let the manager and players focus respectively on managing and playing.

    Bobby Valentine was good at media, do you want him back? Heck no, because the game left him behind and he couldn't make the team do its job. If Farrell was good at baseball, nobody would care about his media presence. Nobody that matters anyway. The media can go hang itself as far as I care.

    I agree. He's been a soldier for us, but his body is breaking down and it's becoming obvious that he can't keep up with the game for 162+ anymore. Lot of little guys break down when they hit their early 30s, looks like Pedey's one of them. I can't see it getting better from here.

    The Boston Red Sox are not going to compete by trying to transform their entire lineup into home run hitters. That's incredibly ignorant wishful thinking. You take the talent you have and work with it. This isn't a great homer park, short porch in left aside. This is a line drive park, that should be the goal. If Chilli can't get the LD% up, he needs to go, but because a hitting coach needs to get the most out of the players he has, not because we have to slavishly copy the rest of the league and how it does offense.

    Yes, Xander Bogaerts is not Nomar. He's still a very good, productive shortstop. Get over your disappointment and see the guy for what he is, good mentality there. He's not going to win MVPs or Gold Gloves, but he's a solid producer.
    For the way we have to hit to take advantage of Fenway, that right field is an asset. line drives go there to fall in, because there's so much ground to cover. No hitter should ever tailor his style for fear of the defense, if that's what's happening the hitting coach, bench coach and manager all need to be fired immediately for letting it happen.

    I doubt that's what's happening.

    Thanks for spelling it out, nostradumbass. I guess I can give a miss to the entire next season. Oh wait, it's baseball. We could be last place or we could win it all, especially with this roster and its problems and opportunities. Waaaaaay to early to be saying this kinda stuff and everyone with more than a single digit IQ knows that.
     
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  18. Bertil

    Bertil Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

    Good grief, if I NEVER hear that song again, I will be extremely HAPPY!
     
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  19. SammyBlueCat

    SammyBlueCat PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Farrell was ejected.
     
  20. IcyPatriot

    IcyPatriot Moderator Staff Member PatsFans.com Supporter

    Not far enough he needed to be thrown out of the club.
     
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