PFT: Bill "has shopped" Mac

[FreeTedWilliams]

Now that the Raidahs have Jimmy, Mac has zero trade options. Nobody is going to give up anything of value for a QB with only 2 years left on his rookie deal AND you have to teach him a whole new offense!

There are only a few teams where Mac would be an upgrade over what they have now, and most of those teams are set to draft a QB in a few weeks.

Face it, Mac has ZERO trade value, all this talk of BB "shopping" him is BS. Take a look around the league and tell me who would even consider a trade for Mac? I can't find anyone, unless the Jets don't get Rodgers and we all know no way BB trades with the Jets!

 

[RobertWeathers]

Now that the Raidahs have Jimmy, Mac has zero trade options. Nobody is going to give up anything of value for a QB with only 2 years left on his rookie deal AND you have to teach him a whole new offense!

There are only a few teams where Mac would be an upgrade over what they have now, and most of those teams are set to draft a QB in a few weeks.

Face it, Mac has ZERO trade value, all this talk of BB "shopping" him is BS. Take a look around the league and tell me who would even consider a trade for Mac? I can't find anyone, unless the Jets don't get Rodgers and we all know no way BB trades with the Jets!

NYJ, BAL (no LJ), Pitt, TN, IN, HOU, LV, WAS, Maybe GB, TAM, CAR, NOR, ATL and the Rams all have unsettled QB situations.

I doubt they'd give up a mid/high 1st but to say Mac doesn't have trade value is not accurate.

FYI the Patriots traded Demeriyus Thomas to the NYJ back in 2019.

 

[Love The Drake]

NYJ, BAL (no LJ), Pitt, TN, IN, HOU, LV, WAS, Maybe GB, TAM, CAR, NOR, ATL and the Rams all have unsettled QB situations.

I doubt they'd give up a mid/high 1st but to say Mac doesn't have trade value is not accurate.

FYI the Patriots traded Demeriyus Thomas to the NYJ back in 2019.

I hated that move.

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

NYJ, BAL (no LJ), Pitt, TN, IN, HOU, LV, WAS, Maybe GB, TAM, CAR, NOR, ATL and the Rams all have unsettled QB situations.

I doubt they'd give up a mid/high 1st but to say Mac doesn't have trade value is not accurate.

FYI the Patriots traded Demeriyus Thomas to the NYJ back in 2019.

Baltimore has Jackson on the franchise tag, nobody else is signing him, plus they have Huntley who can run their offense.
Pittsburgh has Pickett
Tennessee might be a possible landing spot
Indy and Houston are drafting QBs
Vegas has Jimmy on a contract that has the same amount of time as Mac's
New Orleans signed Carr
Atlanta is going with Riddler and will draft someone
The Rams have Stafford, they can't cut him and go with Mac.

Mac is already halfway through his rookie deal, which at this point might be his highest selling point. I think the Pats have to "hope" that he turns it around, I just don't see a trade market for him right now.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I hated that move.

Me too.

 

[maust]

Click on this.

What's the point of that comparison? Outside of both being QB's that played out their 1st contracts it's practically an apples to oranges comparison.
Cousins got those contracts by doing what Jackson is trying to avoid, playing out the team's franchise tag options year by year. Whatever anyone else thought of his ability, or lack thereof, Kirk Cousins embraced the variables of playing under the tag. He put himself at risk of an injury that could have ended his career or impaired it to the point where his value was seriously diminished. Cousins went into each of those years injury free, there were no lingering injury questions. By staying healthy and not completely sucking out loud he put the team's feet to the fire by outlasting their tag options but make no mistake, he did it by embracing the risk Jackson is trying to avoid.

Cousins also does not play a style that invites a higher risk of injury than the average QB. Meaning his team was at less risk of losing his services while eating the guaranteed money going forward. A legitimate concern for any team paying Jackson.

The numbers look cool and all but the implied comparison is BS, it isn't as though anyone wanted to give those contracts. Cousins leveraged the tag and then the cap to get those paydays. Anyone begrudging a player maximizing his earnings by assuming all the risks is a sports hypocrite. Even though we'd never want our team paying it, good on Cousins for playing the system to perfection and getting his. His contracts & earnings make for an interesting story, just not one that Jackson can leverage right now.

 

[50-yard-line]

I'll say again: If at any point this year, BB/Kraft were thinking of Lamar, or Jimmy, or even Brady, it would be negligence to not try to assess what kind of value Mac Jones might bring back. If they were going to go out and get a starter, there's no reason to keep Jones around, either for the team or for Jones - AND, the decision to go after a vet starter might be influenced by how much you can get for Mac Jones.

Not saying it happened, but there are many reasons a coach/GM would be asking about such things. I have no doubt that BB was pissed about Mac going outside and no doubt that Mac was pissed about having to deal with Larry and Curly, while Moe stood with his arms crossed on the sideline. But we're talking about business here, and huge $$$$$.

BB has a responsibility to Kraft and the team to let the water flow under the bridge and play whomever he thinks is the best QB for the team.

Mac has a responsibility to MAC to STFU and become the best player he can be, wherever that might be.

Any disfunction arising from this in 2023 works to the detriment of both coach and player, and to Kraft and the Patriots Organization, and to the fans, who pay the bills.

Thus, I'm not worried about it either way. Whatever happens, happens, as they say.

 

[Ross12]

Tbh, there’s a certain value I think in having a QB who’s not afraid to tell Bill Belichick of all people that he’s full of crap. The issue is that he needs to earn that. If he’s here for 2023 let’s let bygones be bygones, get a proper system going under BOB and hopefully Mac can not just return to 2021 form but go beyond it and become a fringe top 10-12 ish QB. Getting a decent WR would certainly help.

 

[ralmat55]

New England Patriots

Where could Aaron Rodgers and Deebo Samuel land? Let's stack the top free agents who are still available and looking for new contracts.

www.espn.com

 

[Bill Lee]

This is also positive PR for whatever teams he may be trying to appeal to.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

Tbh, there’s a certain value I think in having a QB who’s not afraid to tell Bill Belichick of all people that he’s full of crap. The issue is that he needs to earn that. If he’s here for 2023 let’s let bygones be bygones, get a proper system going under BOB and hopefully Mac can not just return to 2021 form but go beyond it and become a fringe top 10-12 ish QB. Getting a decent WR would certainly help.

Here's an Easter wish for the resurrection of three key Patriot leaders next year. Mac, BB and BOB (as NFL coach) all have something to prove and are dependent on each other to succeed. This noise will not affect that.

 

[Ross12]

Here's an Easter wish for the resurrection of three key Patriot leaders next year. Mac, BB and BOB (as NFL coach) all have something to prove and are dependent on each other to succeed. This noise will not affect that.

If BOB comes in here and takes a QB and offense that looked like dog crap last year, and makes them look great using mostly the same pieces, despite trade rumors about that QB in that same offseason, it will do wonders for his future HC prospects.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

New England Patriots

Where could Aaron Rodgers and Deebo Samuel land? Let's stack the top free agents who are still available and looking for new contracts.

www.espn.com

Thanks. Nagy is great. Very interesting. Makes me think the Pats will trade down. Lots of mid-round guys in this draft.

 

[Real fan 02]

“The idea that he’s shopping Mac is against everything he would do. But if somebody comes to him and says, ‘I’ll give you a one for Mac,’ does that mean he’s shopping him? No, that just means somebody asked the question. I think we’re in a semantic issue here.” — former NFL GM and Patriots assistant Michael Lombardi, speaking about Bill Belichick’s process, on “The GM Shuffle” podcast

Lombardi is pretty much the mouth peice for BB.. unofficially of course. what I do like about Lombardi is he tells it like it is even if it may seem critical of BB like he did talking about the offense last year. However I still believe the reports and had there been an offer suitable to BB then he'd move Mac.. it was reported Brady was even Almost traded at one point. So as for me I feel both can be true the Mac reports, and the Lombardi comments .

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I don't think so. I think BB really likes Mac except for the immaturity element which Mac will grow out of. I think Mac will surprise this year. Mac is one of the guys at Gillette all off-season. The trade stuff is BS. Wait and see ............

Having said that, Mac needs a few more years to peak. Mac is both physically and emotionally immature and 1 year is not enough to overcome those issues. But Mac will surprise in 2023.

 

[Ross12]

Thanks. Nagy is great. Very interesting. Makes me think the Pats will trade down. Lots of mid-round guys in this draft.

I think they’ll trade down if they can. Issue is you need to find a partner to trade down with. Other teams will probably also want to trade down. Might not get great value.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I think they’ll trade down if they can. Issue is you need to find a partner to trade down with. Other teams will probably also want to trade down. Might not get great value.

True. Also hope they stay where they are if a top LT is there. If it is Skronski with short arms, the Captains head will explode.

 

[Ross12]

I don't think so. I think BB really likes Mac except for the immaturity element which Mac will grow out of. I think Mac will surprise this year. Mac is one of the guys at Gillette all off-season. The trade stuff is BS. Wait and see ............

Having said that, Mac needs a few more years to peak. Mac is both physically and emotionally immature and 1 year is not enough to overcome those issues. But Mac will surprise in 2023.

For all we know, the situation last year could have “checked” him a bit from a maturity standpoint. He learned that getting worked up doesn’t solve anything and just made things more uncomfortable. It wasn’t a fun experience but it is something he can learn from for future years. Maybe he will grow and become the leader we are hoping for in year 3 and beyond. He’s a really personable and charming guy that I think other players gravitate towards, so I’m hopeful.

 

[Ross12]

True. Also hope they stay where they are if a top LT is there. If it is Skronski with short arms, the Captains head will explode.

I think they’ll weigh a trade up and down. If the value isn’t that good for a trade down (as in they’re not getting very good return) then they might instead move up a little (which theoretically might also not be that expensive) and grab a top tackle.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I think they’ll weigh a trade up and down. If the value isn’t that good for a trade down (as in they’re not getting very good return) then they might instead move up a little (which theoretically might also not be that expensive) and grab a top tackle.

The Pats do move up, but I think the price will be too high with this draft so strong in the mid-rounds and so weak at the top. Who at the top is a beast? Maybe Will Andersen or Jalen Carter? After that I do not think anyone is worth moving up for.