Penalties being considered for the Pats - UPDATED 1/1/2020

[QuantumMechanic]

If the exact same accusations, explanations, texts, etc. had happened to the Colts (or Broncos) while Goober was there, can you really, truly, honestly say you wouldn’t be going “yeah, right!” and laughing your head off when you read that the Colts/Broncos ballboys said deflation was referring to weight loss and the like.

I know I couldn’t say that and I very much doubt any of you could, either.

 

[Ring 6]

I dont think you understand what some of us our saying. No one here is saying Brady was involved. What we are arguing is that the ball boys likely deflated the balls in at least few games so Tom won't yell at them the following day.

There is nothing to corroborate that. Talking about inflation level to the people who inflate does not lead to a conclusion that after they inflated them and after the refs tested them
and found them legal that they deflated them illegally.
Why would brady tell them to bring the rule book if the solution was to do it behind their backs.
You are starting from a conclusion of guilt and backing into what a statement means by fitting it to the conclusion that is not proof.

and these were your words
“ It’s not certain Brady knew but it’s possible”
So yes people (you) are saying Brady at least may have been involved. Which is ridiculous

 

[Ring 6]

If the exact same accusations, explanations, texts, etc. had happened to the Colts (or Broncos) while Goober was there, can you really, truly, honestly say you wouldn’t be going “yeah, right!” and laughing your head off when you read that the Colts/Broncos ballboys said deflation was referring to weight loss and the like.

I know I couldn’t say that and I very much doubt any of you could, either.

So you are reduced to a hypothetical that if someone you disliked was accused you would convict without evidence as your argument. Embarrassing

 

[SHOWTIME15]

There is nothing to corroborate that. Talking about inflation level to the people who inflate does not lead to a conclusion that after they inflated them and after the refs tested them
and found them legal that they deflated them illegally.
Why would brady tell them to bring the rule book if the solution was to do it behind their backs.
You are starting from a conclusion of guilt and backing into what a statement means by fitting it to the conclusion that is not proof.

and these were your words
“ It’s not certain Brady knew but it’s possible”
So yes people (you) are saying Brady at least may have been involved. Which is ridiculous

those were not my words...you're confusing me with someone else. I never implicated Brady in this - why is this a difficult argument for you to understand?

 

[sb1]

There is nothing to corroborate that. Talking about inflation level to the people who inflate does not lead to a conclusion that after they inflated them and after the refs tested them
and found them legal that they deflated them illegally.
Why would brady tell them to bring the rule book if the solution was to do it behind their backs.
You are starting from a conclusion of guilt and backing into what a statement means by fitting it to the conclusion that is not proof.

and these were your words
“ It’s not certain Brady knew but it’s possible”
So yes people (you) are saying Brady at least may have been involved. Which is ridiculous

I said that last part and there’s nothing untrue about it.

As far as I’m concerned Brady started it with a nasty habit of taunting the other team in certain situations. It was so unnecessary to taunt the Ravens with that comment and look where it got them. Just like before SBLII...“17 points? <snicker> that’s it??” Cmon man.

 

[upstater1]

If the exact same accusations, explanations, texts, etc. had happened to the Colts (or Broncos) while Goober was there, can you really, truly, honestly say you wouldn’t be going “yeah, right!” and laughing your head off when you read that the Colts/Broncos ballboys said deflation was referring to weight loss and the like.

I know I couldn’t say that and I very much doubt any of you could, either.

Did you read my first post on the matter?

I said the oddity of it all is laughable and preposterous, and I compared it to a Larry David/Curb Your Enthusiasm skit, where there are remarkable coincidences.

And yet to this day no one has ever explained to me how I'm supposed to understand the Green Bay text other than how I understand it. So, please, go ahead and explain it to me otherwise.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

So you are reduced to a hypothetical that if someone you disliked was accused you would convict without evidence as your argument. Embarrassing

Actually, I’m saying that everyone here, especially you, Andy, would be jumping up and down going “Guilty! Guilty! Guilty! How could anyone believe otherwise!” if this had happened to the Colts or Broncos and would never, ever be granting any credence to claims like “deflating means weight loss”.

 

[Tony2046]

I also believe they were not the only team doing it. Until Deflategate the league didn’t give two craps about PSI in footballs. The Ravens knew this and knew what the Pats were doing and were fine with it until Brady taunted them after they beat them in the playoffs.

Thats why there were no procedures in place to prevent the refs from overinflating the footballs to 16PSI like what happened in the Jets game.

The only reason it's plausible that he checked the ball pressure in the bathroom is because the science doesn't support the deflation narrative and that he was in the bathroom but it's also possible that he truly took a leak. Haha

 

[sb1]

FYI, no football used during a cold winter's game could be "legally" at or above 12.5 psi.

In fact if the footballs used during the ice bowl were measured they would have been " legally" at approximately 8.5 psi.

But since we now both know that the NFL never cared about a football's pressure , then or now, we can call deflategate what it truly was which was a witch hunt.

didn’t the league also lose track of the footballs chain of custody in a game the next season?

 

[upstater1]

There is nothing to corroborate that. Talking about inflation level to the people who inflate does not lead to a conclusion that after they inflated them and after the refs tested them
and found them legal that they deflated them illegally.
Why would brady tell them to bring the rule book if the solution was to do it behind their backs.
You are starting from a conclusion of guilt and backing into what a statement means by fitting it to the conclusion that is not proof.

and these were your words
“ It’s not certain Brady knew but it’s possible”
So yes people (you) are saying Brady at least may have been involved. Which is ridiculous

Show them the rule book is exactly the opposite of deflate the balls when you get them back from the refs.

You are exactly right.

Again, it's possible they hatched a plan later but, what's the evidence for it?

1. There are no texts
2. There are no deflated balls below where they should have been in the Colts game
3. The Ravens game is irrelevant because those are new kicking balls controlled the entire time by refs. The Ravens had no intel at all and were wrong.

 

[upstater1]

Actually, I’m saying that everyone here, especially you, Andy, would be jumping up and down going “Guilty! Guilty! Guilty! How could anyone believe otherwise!” if this had happened to the Colts or Broncos and would never, ever be granting any credence to claims like “deflating means weight loss”.

Seriously, what does this have to do with anything?

I didn't give the Saints bounty-gate thing a second look. I was like, "ooh, that's bad that Sean Payton ordered this!" Took 2 seconds out of my life.

& the sad thing about this is that the first judge that ruled against the NFL read everything there was to read about the investigation, and he knew all the facts.

One of the appellate judges that overturned things actually spouted debunked facts to the media after the ruling. Clearly, he didn't even bother reading the nitty gritty of the case.

People make snap decisions because they don't have time to bother with science or the facts. It's the world we live in. I see it all the time.

But at the end of the day, where's the evidence?

 

[Tony2046]

didn’t the league also lose track of the footballs chain of custody in a game the next season?

Yes but don't worry the NFL has very detailed records of every ball pressure measurements along with indoor/outdoor temperatures etc.. which will be released any day now.

 

[Ring 6]

those were not my words...you're confusing me with someone else. I never implicated Brady in this - why is this a difficult argument for you to understand?

You are correct I had you mixed up with a different poster.

 

[Ring 6]

I said that last part and there’s nothing untrue about it.

As far as I’m concerned Brady started it with a nasty habit of taunting the other team in certain situations. It was so unnecessary to taunt the Ravens with that comment and look where it got them. Just like before SBLII...“17 points? <snicker> that’s it??” Cmon man.

What does Brady making a comment to the ravens have to do with the moronic comment that he may have known about something that didn’t even happen?

 

[Ring 6]

Actually, I’m saying that everyone here, especially you, Andy, would be jumping up and down going “Guilty! Guilty! Guilty! How could anyone believe otherwise!” if this had happened to the Colts or Broncos and would never, ever be granting any credence to claims like “deflating means weight loss”.

And you are wrong.
Again when your argument amounts to that you should choose silence.

 

[Ring 6]

Show them the rule book is exactly the opposite of deflate the balls when you get them back from the refs.

You are exactly right.

Again, it's possible they hatched a plan later but, what's the evidence for it?

1. There are no texts
2. There are no deflated balls below where they should have been in the Colts game
3. The Ravens game is irrelevant because those are new kicking balls controlled the entire time by refs. The Ravens had no intel at all and were wrong.

The only proof is the accusation. They is not a scintilla of legitimate evidence to support it. It’s laughable.

 

[upstater1]

The only proof is the accusation. They is not a scintilla of legitimate evidence to support it. It’s laughable.

I live in Buffalo and the only thing they ever trot out to show Brady was guilty are the two texts, one from May and one from November (Packers game). They actually hesitate when they bring up the PSI levels of the balls and the science, but then they return to the texts and say, that's the proof. It's what the general public thinks.

 

[Ring 6]

The only reason it's plausible that he checked the ball pressure in the bathroom is because the science doesn't support the deflation narrative and that he was in the bathroom but it's also possible that he truly took a leak. Haha

It makes it implausible because the science proves there was no deflation

 

[Ring 6]

I live in Buffalo and the only thing they ever trot out to show Brady was guilty are the two texts, one from May and one from November (Packers game). They actually hesitate when they bring up the PSI levels of the balls and the science, but then they return to the texts and say, that's the proof. It's what the general public thinks.

I understand fans that hate the patriots because of their success make such as moronic jump, but we have actual purported patriot fans in this board doing it. Says a lot about the educational system in this country.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Can’t believe the how many people are buying the NFL’s hogwash.

First of all, it was no coincidence that McNally went to the bathroom with the calls. That is what triggered the investigation. This was a sting operation. That’s why the Colts claimed the balls were deflated because they thought they had the smoking gun. The actual feel/air pressure of the ball in cold weather was normal and was not the reason for the accusation. The Colts and NYJFL thought the Pats were caught red handed.

I’m sure the NFL scoured every other game -
home and away - for evidence that the Patriots deflated balls. The investigation was not limited to the AFCCG.

In terms of “the deflator” about weight loss, who the f knows. It is the job of these two to inflate/deflate balls to an absurdly precise level with TB12. What is known the NFL spent $20M to prove foul play and proved the opposite. One text even referenced 12.5 or 13 PSI as the was Tom likes it. Couldn’t be clearer.