Pats Trade Pick 28!!!

[Brady to Brown]

Exactly. They seem to forget that Ardeshir Baker and Eric Alexander were starting last year's AFCC.

I'd much rather have drafted two D players to help us beat the Colts next year.

A 2008 draft pick is not going to be covering Anthony Gonzalez in the slot in next years playoffs.

Its good news as Belichick thinks this team can win the Superbowl without using that pick. Otherwise it makes zero sence.

 

[dhamz]

BB was on the radio yesterday talking about how many of the guys going on Day 1 in this draft had UDFA grades on the Pats board. Is here any question why they wanted to get that pick out of this first round and into next year?

There is almost no chance that the pick in next year's round 1 will be worse than 28. Cobine that with the 4th we got this year and it is hard to objectively argue with the deal.

Now if you are a draftnik who has spent the last 3 months doing mock drafts and guessing who they would take at 28, you won't be happy.

 

[Jimke]

The fact is that the trade stunk. Even though we have two #1 picks next

year, the odds are we will keep the early pick and trade the other for a 2009

pick. The only thing that can sweeten the 4th round pick is if we trade that

pick for Randy Moss.

 

[tombonneau]

Tombonneau - you seem rational - considering the trade from several angles. Also consider this - a # 28 player (still remaining on the board) - where do you see them significantly contributing in '07? We addressed our weakness in WR in FA, ditto LB with Thomas. No stud RB left with 1st round talent, ditto CB, safety. Seemed pretty much all that was left on the board would have been backups (this year) and adding depth (at LB or other). The value of a first round pick was not there (as many NFL coaches have said about this draft -even Bill himself). Why pay for one?

On the other hand, if you can move up in next years draft (very likely unless SF goes to the NFC championship) -even a fair to good chance to move up into the teens - why not take that 'gamble' including a 4th rounder added in as a bonus.

It is not about ONE year -(pick # 28 could have helped us THIS year '07 as most likely a backup as we are a SB contender). A first round pick is signed for minimum 5 YEARS. If there is a good chance you can get a better player in next years draft (possibly one drafted in the teens) for 5 YEARS (plus a 4th rounder).- why not do it?

I never thought they would take a LB in round 1, so that doesn't bother me.

I wanted them to take two DBs in round 1, given that:

1. DBs seem devastated by injuries every year so more quality depth would be great.

2. Regarding THIS YEAR, Asante isn't even signed

3. BB does a great job evaluating DBs so odds are likely he could have picked TWO excellent ones

4. Our main competition is the Colts, who we need to not let score 30+ points in a playoff game, so like it or not we should be drafting with that in mind and when, given a chance, take players that will help us counteract their passing game. To compound matters, they might have upgraded their #3 with Gonzalez.

 

[SunnyDenmark]

Funny those thinking that S.Fan will have a bad year next year are not taking into consideration that the Pats could have had a 1st rounder on the team learning the playbook for a year. Whats that worth?

"the Pats could have had a 1st rounder on the team"

Obviously that is why Bioli traded OUT of #28 - as they felt there was not first round value there. Several coaches have already said that about this years draft (Joe Gibbs, Bill himself, etc). Just because someone is drafted in the first round doesn't make him a first round talent.

If you are going to have him sign a 5 YEAR contract (at first round rates) - you want them to be a first round value.

I would wait rather wait a year to have a better chance of getting 5 years of first round value & production for my money. Plus a forth round pick #110 to boot.

 

[SunnyDenmark]

I never thought they would take a LB in round 1, so that doesn't bother me.

I wanted them to take two DBs in round 1, given that:

1. DBs seem devastated by injuries every year so more quality depth would be great.

2. Regarding THIS YEAR, Asante isn't even signed

3. BB does a great job evaluating DBs so odds are likely he could have picked TWO excellent ones

4. Our main competition is the Colts, who we need to not let score 30+ points in a playoff game, so like it or not we should be drafting with that in mind and when, given a chance, take players that will help us counteract their passing game. To compound matters, they might have upgraded their #3 with Gonzalez.

I agree with you on your above points - if any of the top 3 CB's were available at either pick #24 or pick #28 - then I would have been upset if they traded out / down. But as CB's and safeties (first round talent) were all picked clean by pick # 28, I am happy they traded out to next year's first round to give us a chance to get one of the top 3 CB's next year (especially is Samuel is gone next year).

 

[PatsFaninAZ]

HELLO MCFLY! HELLO?

What is NOT to like about this trade people?
1) Unless San Fran advances to the NFC Championship game (very doubtful) - then our pick next year will certainly be higher than this years @28.
2) The draft next year should be deeper (debatable)- but what is sure is nearly everyone said there was NOT 1st round talent after the first 10-20 players this year. Why pay for one?
3) How is San Frans schedule easy? Yes, I get that they play in an 'easier' conference - but they are not a heavyweight team themselves. SEA is no pushover and ARI is also up & coming as is SF. You could choose at least 10 teams worse than the RAMS.
4) Some of the notable Away games for SF: @Pitt , @ NY Giants, @ ATL, @ Carolina, @Cleveland. Not only are those ok to decent teams - but those are five teams in the Eastern Time Zone = long flights and jet lag. Would you like the Pats to have FIVE away games on the West Coast (the lack of possibility is besides the point).
5) Some notable home opponents: Baltimore, New Orleans, Cinncinnati, Seattle.

Folks, I understand that San Fran is improving (hard not to) but HOW IS THIS AN EASY SCHEDULE? Why is there not a decent chance that we could move up 5-6 spots (if they make the playoffs) or possibly up 10-14 spots?? Plus we get a high 4th rounder this year. What is not FAIR about this for NE?

I kind of agree with this, although I'm not delighted about the trade in light of the fact that we have no second rounder. I also don't think you simply talk about "moving up" the next year. While the 2008 pick might be better than the 2007 pick was, it's a whole year of going without a player. This doesn't matter so much in the later rounds, but it does matter when it's a first rounder.

 

[Big Bucks]

This years draft is cak

Any 1 year free agent we can pick up will be better


I love we traded out, sensible move.

Rookies can be hit and miss, there is always a Seau about.



Now I want a RB in the third to add depth.
:rocker:

 

[Real World]

Niners will go 10-6. Pick should be 23rd next year. (You heard it here first!)

Terrible trade. A 4th? They very well could go 10-6 in the NFC. You've got to get more than a 4th this year.

On the other hand, 4th = Zach DeOssie?

 

[tombonneau]

I agree with you on your above points - if any of the top 3 CB's were available at either pick #24 or pick #28 - then I would have been upset if they traded out / down. But as CB's and safeties (first round talent) were all picked clean by pick # 28, I am happy they traded out to next year's first round to give us a chance to get one of the top 3 CB's next year (especially is Samuel is gone next year).

If that's the case, I would have preferred they moved up and grabbed one of those guys THIS YEAR, assuming they liked them enough to do it.

Though maybe they didn't, so it could be a moot point.

But let's just say that if/when NE is suiting up the likes of Earthwind Moreland in the playoffs, no one is going to be giving a crap if we have one or two first rounders in the 2008 draft.

 

[SunnyDenmark]

I kind of agree with this, although I'm not delighted about the trade in light of the fact that we have no second rounder. I also don't think you simply talk about "moving up" the next year. While the 2008 pick might be better than the 2007 pick was, it's a whole year of going without a player. This doesn't matter so much in the later rounds, but it does matter when it's a first rounder.

Think of it this way - after FA this year (Welker, Stallworth, Washington, Thomas, etc...) and Meriweather at # 24 - the Pats are well stocked in most areas - no big holes. However, next year we could have some big holes to fill (if Samuel leaves, if Rodney or Tedy B. retires, if E. Wilson leaves, if Stallworth and Washingtons options are not picked up, if Caldwell and Gaffney are not resigned, etc. ) You don't know which ones of these will happen (or if all). Why not give yourself - the luxury to see where the holes develop for '08 (and fix them accordingly in next years FA and draft with two # 1 picks) instead of trying to guess now? That fits the NEED arugument. The value argument is met because there is a very good chance the 1st rounder next year will be higher (fair chance MUCH higher) than at # 28 this year (for 2nd round talent). Plus a fourth rounder to boot.

 

[Big Bucks]

Seaheawks and Rams are better than the 49ers and the Cards could be anything, Turner leaving is a huge problem for the Niners. They will not have a winning record.

Sep 10 Arizona 10:15pm W
Sep 16 @St. Louis 1:00pm L
Sep 23 @Pittsburgh 1:00pm L
Sep 30 Seattle 4:05pm L
Oct 7 Baltimore 4:15pm L
Week 6 BYE
Oct 21 @N.Y. Giants 1:00pm L
Oct 28 New Orleans 4:15pm L
Nov 4 @Atlanta 1:00pm L
Nov 12 @Seattle 8:30pm L
Nov 18 St. Louis 4:15pm W
Nov 25 @Arizona 4:05pm W
Dec 2 @Carolina 1:00pm L
Dec 9 Minnesota 4:05pm W
Dec 15 Cincinnati 8:15pm L
Dec 23 Tampa Bay 8:15pm W
Dec 30 @Cleveland 1:00pm W

I make them 6-10

 

[Big Bucks]

Think of it this way - after FA this year (Welker, Stallworth, Washington, Thomas, etc...) and Meriweather at # 24 - the Pats are well stocked in most areas - no big holes. However, next year we could have some big holes to fill (if Samuel leaves, if Rodney or Tedy B. retires, if E. Wilson leaves, if Stallworth and Washingtons options are not picked up, if Caldwell and Gaffney are not resigned, etc. ) You don't know which ones of these will happen (or if all). Why not give yourself - the luxury to see where the holes develop for '08 (and fix them accordingly in next years FA and draft with two # 1 picks) instead of trying to guess now? That fits the NEED arugument. The value argument is met because there is a very good chance the 1st rounder next year will be higher (fair chance MUCH higher) than at # 28 this year (for 2nd round talent). Plus a fourth rounder to boot.

:rocker: Quality

 

[Trot]

Originally Posted by reflexblue

Seriously though folks going threw a beolie draft makes me want to scratch my head at times I know in the end it usually works out.
BB IS A great coach with a great staff but he's not perferct no-body is. I can name at least a dozen draft picks that never panned out.

BB IS A great coach with a great staff but he's not perferct no-body is. I can name at least a dozen draft picks that never panned out.

Talk to yourself much?

 

[makewayhomer]

for the love of god, everyone needs to stop saying "the 49ers could very well go 11-5 next year".

guess what - they could!! and you know what else? they could also go 4-12!!

it's not about what they could do, it's about the reasonable range you expect them to finish in. the odds are the pick will be somewhere around #15 next year, as SF is an average or below average team.

Pats traded the #28 for what they can expect to be the #15 and a 4th rounder this year. it's a great deal.

 

[Big Bucks]

for the love of god, everyone needs to stop saying "the 49ers could very well go 11-5 next year".

guess what - they could!! and you know what else? they could also go 4-12!!

it's not about what they could do, it's about the reasonable range you expect them to finish in. the odds are the pick will be somewhere around #15 next year, as SF is an average or below average team.

Pats traded the #28 for what they can expect to be the #15 and a 4th rounder this year. it's a great deal.

How much is 28 up to 15 on the chart

 

[reflexblue]

Originally Posted by reflexblue

Seriously though folks going threw a beolie draft makes me want to scratch my head at times I know in the end it usually works out.
BB IS A great coach with a great staff but he's not perferct no-body is. I can name at least a dozen draft picks that never panned out.




Talk to yourself much?

I think you need to borrow your moms car and drive dowm to micky-ds and chill out with anice yummy happy meal.

 

[DESERTPAT]

I'm sorry, but we got ripped off on this one...

Dallas traded the 22nd pick for the 36th and the Browns' 1st round next year.

We trade the 28th pick for the 110th and the Niners' 1st round next year.

However well you think the Niners are going to do next year I would be stunned if the Browns did better.

Dallas got WAY more value for a pick that was only 6 spots higher.

I agree, the pats got taken to the cleaners on this one. Minimum they should have gotten was the niners third round pick, at best their second. Asante will not be back leaving us with another patch work secondary and a linebacker corps edging closer to social security every day. This meriweather cat better be ready to suit on day one on day one. You may find 1 or 2 players who stick from the 4th round up but by and large they get cut or find the practice squad.

 

[makewayhomer]

2 critical differences - the 22nd was worth a LOT more than the 28th, b/c the 22nd pick gave the Browns Brady Quinn, a guy they thought was a top 6 or 7 pick. The Browns were willing to give up a whole lot more for Quinn than the 49ers were for Staley. you can't just compared every situation apples-apples

 

[Big Bucks]

2 critical differences - the 22nd was worth a LOT more than the 28th, b/c the 22nd pick gave the Browns Brady Quinn, a guy they thought was a top 6 or 7 pick. The Browns were willing to give up a whole lot more for Quinn than the 49ers were for Staley. you can't just compared every situation apples-apples

Exactly, people though will only see what they want to see.

IMO if we had traded with a 06/07 playoff team then we should have got more.

As it stands

we got a 07 4th
and a decent trade up of

28th (1000)

to

15th (720)


to move up would cost

64th (280) 1st in the third round