Player Signing Pats sign Jacoby Brissett

[Pape]

6-10, 4-13, 4-13.

Nothing will perpetuate a losing cycle, culture and mentality more than that. I would be thrilled if we ended up 9-8. It would prove that we are turning it around, that Mayo can be a good HC, that Wolfe and the front office has made good moves, that our players are progressing. We wouldn’t look like a pariah organization that no one really wants to come to.

I’ll take that any day. And the key part is that we’ll have already drafted a QB at #3. That is why teams get okay with tanking. It’s for a QB. That’s not what we’ll be looking for in the 2025 draft (I hope!).

Go look at chicagos draft this year, If you play those 4-13 cards right, look what you can build up in terms of draft capital in just 1 year. you aren't building a stockpile of picks, like wolf wants, by drafting 15th.

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

Taking the last two years Brissett got a bulk of the season as the starter vs Mac’s last two years:

Brissett
2019: 2942 yds 18 tds 6 INTs 88.0 QBR
2022: 2608 yds 12 tds 6 INTs 88:9 QBR

Jones
2022: 2997 yds 14 tds 11 INTs 84.8 QBR
2023: 2120 yds 10 tds 12 INTs 77.0 QBR

Not expecting some high scoring offense next year but maybe we win some of these close games vs losing them if we take better care of the football combined with good defense.

 

[Peachhead]

So far I'm liking the signings. Brissett, resigning Onwenu, Bourne & Reagor. And we'll see about Takitaki, Gibson & Okafor.

Edited to add we re-signed Henry too.

 

[Pape]

Brissett as a starter:
18 Wins
Mac Jones as a starter
18 wins

Updated your numbers for a better perspective.

if they build a great team around him and execute,

really? no **** sherlock? If they build a great team and execute? that's just a stupid thing to say.

 

[Pape]

Taking the last two years Brissett got a bulk of the season as the starter vs Mac’s last two years:

Brissett
2019: 2942 yds 18 tds 6 INTs 88.0 QBR
2022: 2608 yds 12 tds 6 INTs 88:9 QBR

Jones
2022: 2997 yds 14 tds 11 INTs 84.8 QBR
2023: 2120 yds 10 tds 12 INTs 77.0 QBR

Not expecting some high scoring offense next year but maybe we win some of these close games vs losing them if we take better care of the football combined with good defense.

and how many games did each of them play in those seasons

Brisett
2019: 15 games
2022: 16 games (11 starts)

Jones
2022: 14
2023: 11

number of wins, career: Tied with 18

 

[venecol]

Jacoby Brissett is a QB who's 18-30, this is not Patrick Mahomes sitting behind Alex Smith or Jordan Love sitting behind Aaron Rodgers.

If you draft a quarterback at #3 and he can't beat out Jacoby Brissett then you've made a bad pick, i'm sorry but that's just facts, name a quarterback picked early who sat for a season behind one of the worst 5 starters in football and became anything?

It sounds good to say you're sitting someone to develop but the Chiefs were winning 11 games when doing it, this plan even if the guy isn't ready goes out the window when Jacoby Brissett blows and you're 1-5 and the fans are chirping about Mayo can't coach and firing Bill was a mistake and the whole crowd is chanting for Maye/Daniels.

Let's try getting through FAcy before starting a GD thread.

 

[jmt57]

After two decades of excellence, I believe that many of us are in denial.

This rebuild is going to take more than a single season; just look at the roster.

We fans are not used to that. Realistically let's just hope the Patriots get better this year, and make a leap in 2025.

Jacoby Brissett is just a small single part of that large jigsaw puzzle.

 

[UGAPatsfan]

Updated your numbers for a better perspective.

really? no **** sherlock? If they build a great team and execute? that's just a stupid thing to say.

You realize that being smart with the ball, having the respect of your teammates, and being an avg “system QB” isn’t a bad thing right? Working ok for Purdy.

They are going to draft a guy…you can’t play that guy too soon. Someone has to do it, better wasn’t available for a price that made sense, Staff knows Jacoby, and I bet he doesn’t sob like a girl if he gets an ankle sprain. I’m good with him as the bridge.

 

[Kdo5]

You realize that being smart with the ball, having the respect of your teammates, and being an avg “system QB” isn’t a bad thing right? Working ok for Purdy.

They are going to draft a guy…you can’t play that guy too soon. Someone has to do it, better wasn’t available for a price that made sense, Staff knows Jacoby, and I bet he doesn’t sob like a girl if he gets an ankle sprain. I’m good with him as the bridge.

At least with Brissett I won’t be on the edge of my seat every play anticipating a back breaking interception or fumble from the QB. I welcome that.

 

[Aussie Patriot]

If you draft a quarterback at #3 and he can't beat out Jacoby Brissett then you've made a bad pick, i'm sorry but that's just facts

I'm sorry but that is not facts, it's your opinion.

If we draft a QB at 3 he won't be trying to beat out Jacoby because we won't want him to be doing that. He will be working on his deficiencies, mechanics and whatever else they deem important.

 

[venecol]

It's negative because if the 3rd pick in the draft isn't quickly better than Jacoby Brissett who loses 2 out every 3 games he plays in the NFL then you have problems, sitting in theory sounds ideal especially for a project like Maye but the 3rd pick in the draft should be better than Brissett in very short order.

It's much easier to sit a quarterback when the team is competitive and winning games, i just don't see how this team with 18-30 Jacoby Brissett is going to be competitive he was 4-7 with Cleveland in 2022 with a far superior roster.

All of these plans go out of the window as soon as the losses start piling up and the QB position is contributing to it.

This is like when the Patriots drafted Mac Jones, if he wasn't better than the corpse of Cam Newton then you immediately had problems.

Patriots have a rookie HC, new OC, new QB coach, new OL coach, new scheme. OL will probably go through things. It'll take time to get everyone on the same page. Nobody reasonable is expecting an 11 win season.

Given all of the above, who would you prefer handle this transition, a veteran QB or a rookie (even if he's better than the vet)?

Maybe after 10 games or so, once the extended preseason is over, the rookie can take over. Official FAcy hasn't even started yet. Let's see who else they sign before panicking.

 

[UGAPatsfan]

At least with Brissett I won’t be on the edge of my seat every play anticipating a back breaking interception or fumble from the QB. I welcome that.

I share that sentiment. Just want a professional behind center who won’t pee all over himself.

 

[venecol]

Very good article. Thanks for posting it.

He will probably be automatically disliked by some on here for beating Tom Brady and the Bucs in that last start.

This comment about the defense being the problem made me wonder if his W-L record might be a bit misleading. Even here he’s coming into a situation where the team surrounding him may not be capable of putting up lots of W’s no matter how well Jacoby himself plays.

I can tell you that in 2019 there were at least 3 games with the Colts that they lost because Vinatieri missed 5 fgs from <49 yds. He played well that season and ended with a 7-8 record. It is what it is.

 

[venecol]

Then who?

The Ghost of Cam Newton?
McCorkle “The Interception Machine” Jones?
Bailey “Zappy” Zappe?

He's talking about Brian Hoyer, of course.

 

[venecol]

And a slow delivery. He's a mediocre career journeyman backup. Yeah -- "very likable, great guy, will be good in the meeting room," etc., etc. BFD. I want this team to at least TRY winning games this year, which logically would've required risking some upside at the quarterback position. Why not Jimmy G? Or taking a flyer on Fields? Hell, I'd rather go with Flacco.

TANK TANK TANK

 

[venecol]

Bridge guy... ok we can see what the plan is. Who's gonna be the rookie? Is it MHJ and then Nix or Penix? Trade back and JJM? Daniels or Maye?

TBD

My guess, whoever is there at #3.

 

[venecol]

I've been watching the Patriots since 2020. Your choices for 'best QB since Tom Brady' are Jacoby Brissett or Cam Newton. I have no idea what you've been watching.

Porn, mainly.

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

and how many games did each of them play in those seasons

Brisett
2019: 15 games
2022: 16 games (11 starts)

Jones
2022: 14
2023: 11

number of wins, career: Tied with 18

Im looking at the 8-17 record the past two years for Mac not the 10 win rookie season. If 2021 Mac doesn’t regress he’s still our QB and we’re not having this discussion.

In 2023 we were 4-13, 4-8 in one score games. It’s not out of the realm of possibility to get to 4 to say 6-7 wins by limiting the turnovers. Then by 2025 with the talent level hopefully improved we can challenge for a playoff spot.

 

[PatsFan2]

Or McCarthy. I know mentioning his name with the other 2 will rile up some folks in here.

 

[venecol]

You realize what a MARKED improvement that would be over the QB play we've seen here the last 2 seasons?

Agree. Mac's INT% is double Jacoby's. That alone will give you more wins.

Let's face it, this is going to be a run first offense. Need to beef up the OL, TEs, 6th Lineman, RBs. Brissett is perfect to transition the new scheme with all the new players, coaches, etc. for the rook to grow into. No need to over think it.