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Reviewed the All-22 tape from the Panthers Game. Only focused on offense since that is where we need improvement.


Quick Overview before I dive into a little more detail:

Milton: Was it impressive on tape? Nope. More bad than good

Offensive Line: Chukwuma Okorafor is 100% the starting Left Tackle, Mike Onwenu should be the right tackle. The interior will be OK. I honestly do not see how anyone but those 2 starts at the Tackle spot, it’s dumb not to. It’s complete incompetence if they don’t.

Receivers: Baker was open quite a bit but Polk, as advertised doesn’t separate but can beat the zone and willingly blocks and does the “dirty work”.

Polk route running needs refinement if he is to become a #2. Very rounded cuts, needs coaching, not a starter today.

Baker, Bourne and Thornton on the outside with Douglas on inside should start with the most reps.

Boutte on tape was OK

Reagor was complete trash, Osborn did not look good either.

Should be cut: Anderson and/or Lowe(I guess we need 1 of them?), Reagor, Wilcox

Best PR not named Marcus Jones: David Wallis, really impressive on returns.

More detail:

Quarterback: After this tape review the decision to play Zappe that many snaps was a horrible decision. I thought it was dumb but the tape made it worse. He hurts the development of the receivers and the line. He probably made the wrong read/play at least 50% of the time. He had Baker open multiple times but never looked at him. Panicked at first sign of pressure. One of the sacks he had open guys, a clean pocket and put his head down and fell into the lineman being blocked 2 yards in front of him. I did not watch tape last year but if he was this bad……how bad was Mac Jones?

Brissett was bad and showed his limitations in just a few plays. He made the unfortunate decision to throw high to Wilcox, bad throw but Wilcox is horrible. He showed lack of arm strength to TT, had a TD with leading him, was flat footed and didn’t step into throw enough, but lacks arm strength. As you ALL KNOW QB’s always throw with bad mechanics during the game because of pressure, the great QB’s have the arm strength to overcome (like Mahomes), Brissett does not, and he actually had time to step into the throw. Let’s count the missed TD’s by the QB. If Mahomes or Allen or Herbert were QB. ONE to TT so far. We will keep counting.

Maye made a high throw, not as bad as Brissett, hit Reagor in both hands, Reagor did not come back for the ball, Maye could have thrown a fraction sooner. Timing with Reagor is off but Reagor is terrible, THIS is why Maye needs all the reps he can, to get timing down with the receivers that will play. If he had run this play the 5 times Zappe did it in practice the timing would have been better between the 2. Otherwise, he’s still the only starting NFL caliber QB on the roster. And it is not EVEN REMOTELY CLOSE!

Milton: Poor Milton, great stats, 2 highlight scrambles, all this praise but modern technology can record and play back what happened. Oh, the hype was good while It lasted. His completed passes, ummm, Mac Jones would have made, they were at guys with 5 yards minimum of separation. So far, on completed passes he is as good as Mac Jones. His throw to Boutte almost pick 6, Mac would not have thrown, the TE was open to the same side, easier throw, Mac probably makes that, Milton made a bad decision and lucky it did not go the other way. The throw Boutte dropped, both Mac and him don’t complete that. Was a little hard and high on the pass, Boutte should have caught it, Reagor should have caught Maye’s. Wilcox should NOT have caught Brissett’s, was just too high AND was the easiest throw of the 3. So far Mac Jones would have outplayed Milton in the passing game. No real question there but pretty much anyone would have made those completions, except that terrible Panthers 3rd string QB.

Onto the scrambles and runs. They ended in positive plays but they were not good quarterbacking. In addition he took hits that he didn’t need to take.

The first scramble he had a TD twice on the play. He also never needed to scramble because the dump off was open immediately. He then slid headfirst while getting tackled instead of sliding feet first. The initial rush came from his right, right in his face, I think he should have earlier stepped up but he escaped going backwards. If he did nothing but look to his outlet right away he’d have dumped it for a couple yard gain and moved on but eyes were solely on the rusher. He escaped right, Baker came open around the 10 after he shook the rushers but for some reason he looks left all the way across the field and never sees him straight ahead on the same side of the field as him, a leading pass to the endzone or sideline is a TD, I give him a pass on that 1. He then rolls left and nobody within 10 yards of him, Baker now is working back left at the 5 while Milton is at the 40. Safety then moves toward Milton leaving a TON of space for Baker behind him with a 2 yard separation from the CB, Milton never looks up. No Offensive Lineman is down field. Touchdown #2 that Mahomes/Allen/Herbert make. They do get a FG on the drive.

Second scramble, he escaped the immediate pressure, then had a clean pocket. He had 2 guys to the left, only 1 defender. Instead, he looked middle, 5 defenders to 2 receivers. Somehow pump fakes a throw that was in between all those defenders, was he really thinking of throwing that pass? Then escapes pocket to the left and NEVER looks up to pass again. Bell is WIDE OPEN 10 yards downfield waiving 2 hands in the air and probably gets caught 30+ yards downfield but beats a safety might score. This is the one photo I had to include below, Maye, based on last year also escapes the pocket but keeps his head up and sees that guy and off to the races. I’m saying he makes the safety miss and we have Touchdown #3. Anyway you look at it we missed 17 points minimum on 3 long plays because of the QB play being poor. Regardless of how the drives ended up. His touchdown on the double move he actually had a TD to the other side as well, made the right read to the wide open guy and then almost missed the throw.

He only completed to wide open first reads, had good pocket movement but then did not keep his head downfield, does not read the entire field well at all and misses open guys. That’s the tape, he’s not ready to start an NFL game and based on his age you have to think he never will. It is Maye or nobody on the current roster.



On the offensive Line: Okorafor looked great, until he didn’t. Was too tall on Mayes last pass and got beat, weird false start as it was like he forgot the count. Otherwise, he looked competent, picked up a stunt nicely, stonewalled some guys. He at least looks like an NFL player. Calvin Anderson is a complete disaster. He makes Vederian Lowe, also bad, look like he might be OK. Anderson was just beat OVER AND OVER again. He’s not an NFL tackle. Michael Jordan was bad. Leverett was a mixed bag, not a starting center but will do, maybe in a pinch as backup. Layden Robinson will be a good run blocker, he’s completely lost on the nuances of the game, he needs a year to learn how to play the line, he just looked lost on who to block multiple times, even blocked his own guy in the back on one play. Wallace will be an NFL player, I highly doubt he’ll be a left tackle. He seems to get pushed back by not setting the best base but he’s amazingly good at sticking with it as he slowly gets pushed back. Better run blocker than pass but also completely whiffed on 1 run block. Wallace will be an NFL starter next year, if they need him this year he should be at RT and you hope he improves his technique just a bit. They need to play Okrofar this year and then draft or sign the LT next year. Pray Okrofar doesn’t get hurt, he's the only guy that can be adequate at LT unless Wallace improves faster than expected. They have enough solid guys inside they can push Onwenu to RT, it is either Wallace or him there and Wallace has a month to improve enough to do that, not sure that’s going to happen. They CAN put together a competent Line, with little depth. But no injuries the line will be fine enough. Vederian Lowe also stinks but they may just need to keep him for depth since Anderson looks toast.

Receivers/TE/RB were interesting. Douglas, Bourne and Henry did not play. Starters were Osborne, JUJU, Wilcox, TT. Interestingly Tyquan was the best looking of the bunch. Was open twice, 1 should have been a TD, the other he was not the first read. Wilcox is complete trash. The guy plays hard but can’t catch or block. Bell played a bit and showed some potential, raw but a keeper over Wilcox, man that guy is just bad. Osborn was not good, ran some bad routes, both him and Reagor looked bad as punt returners also. Baker, Bourne, if healthy and Pop are the top 3 easily. I want to see more of Tyquan, I hope Osborn just had a bad game. Boutte was not impressive but wasn’t bad, just meh. Baker was open way more than he got the ball. Him and Tyquan got separation. Problem is if you don’t start Maye the strength they have is down the field and Jacoby can’t throw those. You need Maye to play to maximize the receivers. People will complain the receivers suck, then Maye will come in and people will think the receivers just needed some time. Polk is an enigma. He’s going to be a zone receiver, he can’t separate 1 on 1. Which is fine, you have Pop and Baker for that strength. Baker should have been 2nd round and Polk 4th round based on the tape. The making of a well rounded adequate receiving core is there but will not reach anywhere near their potential with Jacoby at QB. Hunter, Pop, Bourne, Baker, Tyquan and Polk with Osborn maybe checking in. Austin Hooper needs to play well behind Henry because nobody else is ready at TE. Running Back, nobody stood out, nobody flashed, hope Rhamondre and Harris can carry the load but learned very little, Gibson was meh, Hasty and Jenning were nothing to write home about. Wallis is probably not a Receiver, but he needs to be practice squad in case Jones gets hurt again, or I think he could be the primary returner. On 1 punt he had 5 unblocked guys coming at him and still beat them to the edge. Dude can play the role at the NFL level. Had some receiver plays but not enough to see anything worthwhile.

If they keep 6 receivers: TT, Pop, Polk, Baker, Boutte, Osborn
If they keep 3 TE: Henry, Hooper, Bell
QB’s: Maye and Brissett are locks, keep Milton so can hopefully trade him in a year. Maye is the only NFL starting caliber QB on the roster.

Lineman: Andrews, Onwenu, Okorafor, Leverett, Wallace, Sow,. That ends the current NFL talent portion of the line. They need 3 more lineman, Robinson must be 1 and then hopeful someone cuts a lineman or they take one of the Anderson/Lowe crap fest and maybe Mafi who has shown a little something but Anderson/Lowe are not NFL players.

This is one group of plays, some happened on the same play, but these were consecutive plays:

Pettway falls down at top of rout
Anderson beat easily at LT
Zappe, that’s all I’m going to say
Layden Robinson completely got lost on a switch off
Jordan and Leverett both miss blocks on run play
Wallace picked wrong guy to block on run play
Polk and Boutte nearly collided on crossing route.

Have concerns about AVP. Multiple plays a couple guys were together on routes. Boutte and Polk almost collided on a crosser. The lack of motion in the modern game seems wrong. His play-action bootlegs worked multiple times, unfortunately Zappe was QB for some of them so were wasted but again, a good QB, more plays would have worked. On Maye’s first throw he had both edge rushers chipped to help the tackles. I Liked that. Another play, they had Zappe QB, had 8 stay in and only 2 routes, didn’t like that, Jordan almost got beat for a pressure anyways. Just seems a dumb play call. Not sure he’s scheming guys open but was the first pre-season game so gets a pass.

But still a QB can make all the difference: Between Jacoby and Milton they missed possibly 21 points. Yup, Without Maye they are going to struggle on offense but a great QB makes everyone better.

Below is the wide open guy Milton did not see on the scramble.
 

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A lot of Milton hate...so basically Maye is the next best thing and Milton will be out of the league in a year.
 
A lot of Milton hate...so basically Maye is the next best thing and Milton will be out of the league in a year.
Pains me to say as a zappeite but Milton was good enough to knock Bailey off the roster.
 
A lot of Milton hate...so basically Maye is the next best thing and Milton will be out of the league in a year.
Tape is the tape, would have spent less time on it if not for the hype. And QB is the position of most importance!
Can’t argue:
Completed no tight window passes, failed to keep head up on scrambles, made one terrible read and subsequently terrible pass. Did not go past first read or see entire field. Had good pocket movement!
That’s just what happened.
He’s improved his mechanics a bit which may improve accuracy which would be enormous for him but he can’t play QB in NFL today. Not expected of him either, he’s a project.
See what he does after learning for a year, he has raw talent so has a chance, won’t know until next year for sure, just not good right now.

Main concern is at his age do QB’s learn how to process? Not sure.

I hope he can grow into the main back up because he fits the scheme perfectly
 
Pains me to say as a zappeite but Milton was good enough to knock Bailey off the roster.
Thank you; great work.

With regard to Milton, you hope to keep him and trade him next year. Sorry, I don't it.

Maye will be our starter for next year. We will need a #2 and perhaps a #3. I would think that Milton can (hopefully) be valuable to us as a backup for the next three years.
 
Offensive Line: Chukwuma Okorafor is 100% the starting Left Tackle, Mike Onwenu should be the right tackle. The interior will be OK. I honestly do not see how anyone but those 2 starts at the Tackle spot, it’s dumb not to. It’s complete incompetence if they don’t.


Should be cut: Anderson and/or Lowe(I guess we need 1 of them?)


On the offensive Line: Okorafor looked great, until he didn’t. Was too tall on Mayes last pass and got beat, weird false start as it was like he forgot the count. Otherwise, he looked competent, picked up a stunt nicely, stonewalled some guys. He at least looks like an NFL player. Calvin Anderson is a complete disaster. He makes Vederian Lowe, also bad, look like he might be OK. Anderson was just beat OVER AND OVER again. He’s not an NFL tackle. Michael Jordan was bad. Leverett was a mixed bag, not a starting center but will do, maybe in a pinch as backup. Layden Robinson will be a good run blocker, he’s completely lost on the nuances of the game, he needs a year to learn how to play the line, he just looked lost on who to block multiple times, even blocked his own guy in the back on one play. Wallace will be an NFL player, I highly doubt he’ll be a left tackle. He seems to get pushed back by not setting the best base but he’s amazingly good at sticking with it as he slowly gets pushed back. Better run blocker than pass but also completely whiffed on 1 run block. Wallace will be an NFL starter next year, if they need him this year he should be at RT and you hope he improves his technique just a bit. They need to play Okrofar this year and then draft or sign the LT next year. Pray Okrofar doesn’t get hurt, he's the only guy that can be adequate at LT unless Wallace improves faster than expected. They have enough solid guys inside they can push Onwenu to RT, it is either Wallace or him there and Wallace has a month to improve enough to do that, not sure that’s going to happen. They CAN put together a competent Line, with little depth. But no injuries the line will be fine enough. Verian Lowe also stinks but they may just need to keep him for depth since Anderson looks toast.
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Lineman: Andrews, Onwenu, Okorafor, Leverett, Wallace, Sow,. That ends the current NFL talent portion of the line. They need 3 more lineman, Robinson must be 1 and then hopeful someone cuts a lineman or they take one of the Anderson/Lowe crap fest and maybe Mafi who has shown a little something but Anderson/Lowe are not NFL players.
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IS THIS WHERE WE ARE AT OL?

LT: Okorafor, Anderson/Lowe/fa
RT: Wallace (or Onwenu if we must)
C: Andrews, Leverett
OG: Sow, Onwenu, Robinson
OG/OC: Jordan, Mafi or free agent
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SIX NFL quality OL's (plus Strange) plus developmental RG Robinson is a start. Thank you for the good news on Okorafor.

So, we need TWO more NFL quality players
a backup OT and [Lowe and Anderson are the current placeholders]
a backup center [Jordan and Mafi are the present placeholders]

If Wallace isn't ready to start, we should move Onwenu out to RT, with Wallace as the swing OT, "solidifying OT". Then we would need a starting OG, presumably Leverett.
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BOTTOM LINE
If Anderson and Lowe are both useless, we need to move Onwenu to RT or at very least consider him the backup RT if Wallace is injured.

The most serious hole is at backup LT. We don't have one.
 
BOTTOM LINE
If Anderson and Lowe are both useless, we need to move Onwenu to RT or at very least consider him the backup RT if Wallace is injured.

The most serious hole is at backup LT. We don't have one.
Okorafor looks like he'll probably be OK, but he'll struggle at times. He goes down, you really need Wallace to step up fast.
Either way, They need to help the tackles with chips and good play action/rollouts which AVP showed in this game they will do.
They have potential at the guard spot if they move Onwenu outside

Probably: Okorafor, Sow, Andrews, Mafi, and then Onwenu. Leverett inside as the next option then Robinson inside and Wallace to me is the next option at Tackle. Not great but everyone healthy maybe that's enough to be OK.

If Onwenu stays at guard, I think it has to be Wallace at RT, I think my mid-season he'd be more ready but I stay away from Lowe/Anderson.

If they overpaid Onwenu but that got him back, so what, they absolutely need him. They probably need a tackle and a center next year in the draft/free agency,
 
Nice write up….but blocking your own man is some pop warner ****. Ugh. And to hear Mr Anderson was **** sucks.
 
Reviewed the All-22 tape from the Panthers Game. Only focused on offense since that is where we need improvement.


Quick Overview before I dive into a little more detail:

Milton: Was it impressive on tape? Nope. More bad than good

Offensive Line: Chukwuma Okorafor is 100% the starting Left Tackle, Mike Onwenu should be the right tackle. The interior will be OK. I honestly do not see how anyone but those 2 starts at the Tackle spot, it’s dumb not to. It’s complete incompetence if they don’t.

Receivers: Baker was open quite a bit but Polk, as advertised doesn’t separate but can beat the zone and willingly blocks and does the “dirty work”.

Polk route running needs refinement if he is to become a #2. Very rounded cuts, needs coaching, not a starter today.

Baker, Bourne and Thornton on the outside with Douglas on inside should start with the most reps.

Boutte on tape was OK

Reagor was complete trash, Osborn did not look good either.

Should be cut: Anderson and/or Lowe(I guess we need 1 of them?), Reagor, Wilcox

Best PR not named Marcus Jones: David Wallis, really impressive on returns.

More detail:

Quarterback: After this tape review the decision to play Zappe that many snaps was a horrible decision. I thought it was dumb but the tape made it worse. He hurts the development of the receivers and the line. He probably made the wrong read/play at least 50% of the time. He had Baker open multiple times but never looked at him. Panicked at first sign of pressure. One of the sacks he had open guys, a clean pocket and put his head down and fell into the lineman being blocked 2 yards in front of him. I did not watch tape last year but if he was this bad……how bad was Mac Jones?

Brissett was bad and showed his limitations in just a few plays. He made the unfortunate decision to throw high to Wilcox, bad throw but Wilcox is horrible. He showed lack of arm strength to TT, had a TD with leading him, was flat footed and didn’t step into throw enough, but lacks arm strength. As you ALL KNOW QB’s always throw with bad mechanics during the game because of pressure, the great QB’s have the arm strength to overcome (like Mahomes), Brissett does not, and he actually had time to step into the throw. Let’s count the missed TD’s by the QB. If Mahomes or Allen or Herbert were QB. ONE to TT so far. We will keep counting.

Maye made a high throw, not as bad as Brissett, hit Reagor in both hands, Reagor did not come back for the ball, Maye could have thrown a fraction sooner. Timing with Reagor is off but Reagor is terrible, THIS is why Maye needs all the reps he can, to get timing down with the receivers that will play. If he had run this play the 5 times Zappe did it in practice the timing would have been better between the 2. Otherwise, he’s still the only starting NFL caliber QB on the roster. And it is not EVEN REMOTELY CLOSE!

Milton: Poor Milton, great stats, 2 highlight scrambles, all this praise but modern technology can record and play back what happened. Oh, the hype was good while It lasted. His completed passes, ummm, Mac Jones would have made, they were at guys with 5 yards minimum of separation. So far, on completed passes he is as good as Mac Jones. His throw to Boutte almost pick 6, Mac would not have thrown, the TE was open to the same side, easier throw, Mac probably makes that, Milton made a bad decision and lucky it did not go the other way. The throw Boutte dropped, both Mac and him don’t complete that. Was a little hard and high on the pass, Boutte should have caught it, Reagor should have caught Maye’s. Wilcox should NOT have caught Brissett’s, was just too high AND was the easiest throw of the 3. So far Mac Jones would have outplayed Milton in the passing game. No real question there but pretty much anyone would have made those completions, except that terrible Panthers 3rd string QB.

Onto the scrambles and runs. They ended in positive plays but they were not good quarterbacking. In addition he took hits that he didn’t need to take.

The first scramble he had a TD twice on the play. He also never needed to scramble because the dump off was open immediately. He then slid headfirst while getting tackled instead of sliding feet first. The initial rush came from his right, right in his face, I think he should have earlier stepped up but he escaped going backwards. If he did nothing but look to his outlet right away he’d have dumped it for a couple yard gain and moved on but eyes were solely on the rusher. He escaped right, Baker came open around the 10 after he shook the rushers but for some reason he looks left all the way across the field and never sees him straight ahead on the same side of the filed as him, a leading pass to the endzone or sideline is a TD, I give him a pass on that 1. He then rolls left and nobody within 10 yards of him, Baker now is working back left at the 5 while Milton is at the 40. Safety then moves toward Milton leaving a TON of space for Baker behind him with a 2 yard separation from the CB, Milton never looks up. No Offensive Lineman is down field. Touchdown #2 that Mahomes/Allen/Herbert make. They do get a FG on the drive.

Second scramble, he escaped the immediate pressure, then had a clean pocket. He had 2 guys to the left, only 1 defender. Instead, he looked middle, 5 defenders to 2 receivers. Somehow pump fakes a throw that was in between all those defenders, was he really thinking of throwing that pass? Then escapes pocket to the left and NEVER looks up to pass again. Bell is WIDE OPEN 10 yards downfield waiving 2 hands in the air and probably gets caught 30+ yards downfield but beats a safety might score. This is the one photo I had to include below, Maye, based on last year also escapes the pocket but keeps his head up and sees that guy and off to the races. I’m saying he makes the safety miss and we have Touchdown #3. Anyway you look at it we missed 17 points minimum on 3 long plays because of the QB play being poor. Regardless of how the drives ended up. His touchdown on the double move he actually had a TD to the other side as well, made the right read to the wide open guy and then almost missed the throw.

He only completed to wide open first reads, had good pocket movement but then did not keep his head downfield, does not read the entire field well at all and misses open guys. That’s the tape, he’s not ready to start an NFL game and based on his age you have to think he never will. It is Maye or nobody on the current roster.



On the offensive Line: Okorafor looked great, until he didn’t. Was too tall on Mayes last pass and got beat, weird false start as it was like he forgot the count. Otherwise, he looked competent, picked up a stunt nicely, stonewalled some guys. He at least looks like an NFL player. Calvin Anderson is a complete disaster. He makes Vederian Lowe, also bad, look like he might be OK. Anderson was just beat OVER AND OVER again. He’s not an NFL tackle. Michael Jordan was bad. Leverett was a mixed bag, not a starting center but will do, maybe in a pinch as backup. Layden Robinson will be a good run blocker, he’s completely lost on the nuances of the game, he needs a year to learn how to play the line, he just looked lost on who to block multiple times, even blocked his own guy in the back on one play. Wallace will be an NFL player, I highly doubt he’ll be a left tackle. He seems to get pushed back by not setting the best base but he’s amazingly good at sticking with it as he slowly gets pushed back. Better run blocker than pass but also completely whiffed on 1 run block. Wallace will be an NFL starter next year, if they need him this year he should be at RT and you hope he improves his technique just a bit. They need to play Okrofar this year and then draft or sign the LT next year. Pray Okrofar doesn’t get hurt, he's the only guy that can be adequate at LT unless Wallace improves faster than expected. They have enough solid guys inside they can push Onwenu to RT, it is either Wallace or him there and Wallace has a month to improve enough to do that, not sure that’s going to happen. They CAN put together a competent Line, with little depth. But no injuries the line will be fine enough. Verian Lowe also stinks but they may just need to keep him for depth since Anderson looks toast.

Receivers/TE/RB were interesting. Douglas, Bourne and Henry did not play. Starters were Osborne, JUJU, Wilcox, TT. Interestingly Tyquan was the best looking of the bunch. Was open twice, 1 should have been a TD, the other he was not the first read. Wilcox is complete trash. The guy plays hard but can’t catch or block. Bell played a bit and showed some potential, raw but a keeper over Wilcox, man that guy is just bad. Osbourne was not good, ran some bad routes, both him and Reagor looked bad as punt returners also. Baker, Bourne, if healthy and Pop are the top 3 easily. I want to see more of Tyquan, I hope Osborn just had a bad game. Boutte was not impressive but wasn’t bad, just meh. Baker was open way more than he got the ball. Him and Tyquan got separation. Problem is if you don’t start Maye the strength they have is down the field and Jacoby can’t throw those. You need Maye to play to maximize the receivers. People will complain the receivers suck, then Maye will come in and people will think the receivers just needed some time. Polk is an enigma. He’s going to be a zone receiver, he can’t separate 1 on 1. Which is fine, you have Pop and Baker for that strength. Baker should have been 2nd round and Polk 4th round based on the tape. The making of a well rounded adequate receiving core is there but will not reach anywhere near their potential with Jacoby at QB. Hunter, Pop, Bourne, Baker, Tyquan and Polk with Osborn maybe checking in. Austin Hooper needs to play well behind Henry because nobody else is ready at TE. Running Back, nobody stood out, nobody flashed, hope Rhamondre and Harris can carry the load but learned very little, Gibson was meh, Hasty and Jenning were nothing to write home about. Wallis is probably not a Receiver, but he needs to be practice squad in case Jones gets hurt again, or I think he could be the primary returner. On 1 punt he had 5 unblocked guys coming at him and still beat them to the edge. Dude can play the role at the NFL level. Had some receiver plays but not enough to see anything worthwhile.

If they keep 6 receivers: TT, Pop, Polk, Baker, Boutte, Osborn
If they keep 3 TE: Henry, Hooper, Bell
QB’s: Maye and Brissett are locks, keep Milton so can hopefully trade him in a year. Maye is the only NFL starting caliber QB on the roster.

Lineman: Andrews, Onwenu, Okorafor, Leverett, Wallace, Sow,. That ends the current NFL talent portion of the line. They need 3 more lineman, Robinson must be 1 and then hopeful someone cuts a lineman or they take one of the Anderson/Lowe crap fest and maybe Mafi who has shown a little something but Anderson/Lowe are not NFL players.

This is one group of plays, some happened on the same play, but these were consecutive plays:

Pettway falls down at top of rout
Anderson beat easily at LT
Zappe, that’s all I’m going to say
Layden Robinson completely got lost on a switch off
Jordan and Leverett both miss blocks on run play
Wallace picked wrong guy to block on run play
Polk and Boutte nearly collided on crossing route.

Have concerns about AVP. Multiple plays a couple guys were together on routes. Boutte and Polk almost collided on a crosser. The lack of motion in the modern game seems wrong. His play-action bootlegs worked multiple times, unfortunately Zappe was QB for some of them so were wasted but again, a good QB, more plays would have worked. On Maye’s first throw he had both edge rushers chipped to help the tackles. I Liked that. Another play, they had Zappe QB, had 8 stay in and only 2 routes, didn’t like that, Jordan almost got beat for a pressure anyways. Just seems a dumb play call. Not sure he’s scheming guys open but was the first pre-season game so gets a pass.

But still a QB can make all the difference: Between Jacoby and Milton they missed possibly 21 points. Yup, Without Maye they are going to struggle on offense but a great QB makes everyone better.

Below is the wide open guy Milton did not see on the scramble.
The throw to the right would have been a pick 6 from Mac
 
The throw to the right would have been a pick 6 from Mac
If he threw it, TE to same side was probably where he would go but maybe he tries it and ez pick 6
 
Great write up, thank you for taking the time. It is still puzzling why the development process only allocated one set of downs for Maye. I get it that everything is still in flux and they are being deliberate in their plan. If the reason was protecting him from the OL that sends a very bad message to the rest of the team that they are playing behind fragile QB number two. I agree with the poster that said that Maye looked pissed on the sideline and that carried into the post game meeting with the press. I like that attitude, behind the southern fake nice answers.
 
Mentioned this in another thread, I was unable to DVR the game so my take is based on my one & only viewing of it though I saw almost every snap and paid attention to the OL… And I thought that Michael Jordan played quite well actually, certainly better than stiffs like Fat Tony & Leverett Saltonstall did. Even if Onwenu stays at RG, I would have Jordan & Robinson as my top two G/Cs.
 
Have concerns about AVP. Multiple plays a couple guys were together on routes. Boutte and Polk almost collided on a crosser. The lack of motion in the modern game seems wrong. His play-action bootlegs worked multiple times, unfortunately Zappe was QB for some of them so were wasted but again, a good QB, more plays would have worked. On Maye’s first throw he had both edge rushers chipped to help the tackles. I Liked that. Another play, they had Zappe QB, had 8 stay in and only 2 routes, didn’t like that, Jordan almost got beat for a pressure anyways. Just seems a dumb play call. Not sure he’s scheming guys open but was the first pre-season game so gets a pass.

Like it or not, we're going to see plenty of this, for probably most of the season.

This is a major transition on offense, philosophy and personality-wise. The complete change in terminology and line calls is going to trip them up for a while.
 
Mentioned this in another thread, I was unable to DVR the game so my take is based on my one & only viewing of it though I saw almost every snap and paid attention to the OL… And I thought that Michael Jordan played quite well actually, certainly better than stiffs like Fat Tony & Leverett Saltonstall did. Even if Onwenu stays at RG, I would have Jordan & Robinson as my top two G/Cs.
Robinson is a G/C now?

Let's focus.

You believe that Jordan is our best backup OC/G as you have m=been saying for months.

It seems quite possible that you're right.

It seems to be that Jordan, Leverett and Robinson all have roster spots.

Compared to last year
OUT: Mafi, Jake Andrews, Ferentz
IN: Robinson, Jordan, Leverett
 
Robinson is a G/C now?
He’s an Interior Offensive Lineman who doesn’t play Center… IOL, G/C, Non-Tackle, same category…

You believe that Jordan is our best backup OC/G as you have m=been saying for months.
Yes.

It seems quite possible that you're right.

Compared to those linemen that are still here, at least…


It seems to be that Jordan, Leverett and Robinson all have roster spots.
Depends on whether 5 or 6 IOLs are kept and where Onwenu plays…


Compared to last year
OUT: Mafi, Jake Andrews, Ferentz
IN: Robinson, Jordan, Leverett

Much, much improved no doubt… Those first 3 aren’t even NFL players.
 
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I'm a little confused about this:

Mike Onwenu should be the right tackle. The interior will be OK. I honestly do not see how anyone but those 2 starts at the Tackle spot, it’s dumb not to. It’s complete incompetence if they don’t.

Because later on you go on to say this:

Michael Jordan was bad. Leverett was a mixed bag, not a starting center but will do, maybe in a pinch as backup. Layden Robinson will be a good run blocker, he’s completely lost on the nuances of the game, he needs a year to learn how to play the line, he just looked lost on who to block multiple times, even blocked his own guy in the back on one play.

But then you bring it back to:

They have enough solid guys inside they can push Onwenu to RT

IDK how this all jives. It sounds like you think Okorafor will be ok enough at LT and is by far the best option there. You seem ok with Sow and Andrews at LG/C (since you didn't say anything bad). Obviously you think Onwenu is good. But then it seems like you think everyone else sucks. The guy you seem most complimentary of though is Wallace. So wouldn't that point to him at RT and Onwenu at RG? You say we have solid guards to push Onwenu to RT, but you say that Robinson looks lost, Leverett can only start in a pinch, Jordan is bad, etc.

Feels to me the line should be Okorafor/Sow/Andrews/Onwenu/Wallace.
 
Much, much improved no doubt… Those first 3 aren’t even NFL players.
Compared to last year
OUT: Mafi, Jake Andrews, Ferentz
IN: Robinson, Jordan, Leverett

It seems that we turned a 4th, 4th a 5th into one solid starter (sow). That's not terrible, but we needed to bring in 3 more. I expect that we will need more again next year at center. [My guess is that Robinson is a keeper].
 
It seems that we turned a 4th, 4th a 5th into one solid starter (sow). That's not terrible, but we needed to bring in 3 more. I expect that we will need more again next year at center. [My guess is that Robinson is a keeper].
My guess is that Onwenu doesn't see the 3rd year of his deal if:

1) they think Robinson is starter material at RG
2) they find a viable RT via Wallace this year or a draft pick next year (and obviously they need to fill LT as well)

In that last year he's got a $25M cap hit. I don't think Onwenu is worth that money as a tackle where he's only ok and position wise it's too much for a guard that isn't a an obvious all pro candidate.

I don't think they re-signed Onwenu because they actually wanted to at that number. They just had tons of cap space, not a lot of great options to spend it on, and a terrible OL situation. I think they just locked him up for the sake of having a quality starter locked in amidst the chaos. In an ideal world, I bet they're hoping their draft picks develop to where paying him that amount isn't needed.
 
My guess is that Onwenu doesn't see the 3rd year of his deal if:

1) they think Robinson is starter material at RG
2) they find a viable RT via Wallace this year or a draft pick next year (and obviously they need to fill LT as well)

In that last year he's got a $25M cap hit. I don't think Onwenu is worth that money as a tackle where he's only ok and position wise it's too much for a guard that isn't a an obvious all pro candidate.

I don't think they re-signed Onwenu because they actually wanted to at that number. They just had tons of cap space, not a lot of great options to spend it on, and a terrible OL situation. I think they just locked him up for the sake of having a quality starter locked in amidst the chaos. In an ideal world, I bet they're hoping their draft picks develop to where paying him that amount isn't needed.
You're right. I just looked it up and there's a potential out after 2025. The Oprah style contract handouts this off-season were pure desperation to keep some continuity. Very ironic given they were 4-13. They either take a $7.5M dead cap hit or pay him $25M for 2026. If he doesn't up his play and make a Pro Bowl or an All Pro within the next two years, you've got to cut him after 2025. Getting highly regarded by PFF isn't going to cut it.
 
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