Pats not trading Garoppolo - Schefter

[Ring 6]

Problem with that theory is that when Hue goes 1 and 15 again he's fired

Maybe, maybe not. The Browns know what they are.
You can't hand a coach a crap team, with no QB, that no one ever expected to win more than a game or 2, then tell him in year 2 he has to find his QB to develop but by the way, you have to win this year or you are fired.
You will never get anywhere that way.
Jackson has 3 years regardless of W/L and if he makes it to 6-10 by year 3 while showing he is cut out to be a HC, he will get year 4.

 

[Clonamery]

Maybe, maybe not. The Browns know what they are.
You can't hand a coach a crap team, with no QB, that no one ever expected to win more than a game or 2, then tell him in year 2 he has to find his QB to develop but by the way, you have to win this year or you are fired.
You will never get anywhere that way.
Jackson has 3 years regardless of W/L and if he makes it to 6-10 by year 3 while showing he is cut out to be a HC, he will get year 4.

There's more evidence that the Browns owner will ask a homeless guy whether he should keep or fire Hue at the end of the year than give him the time he needs to show he is making a difference in a 3rd year.

 

[Nehalem]

Monetarily, there are approximately 43 million reasons to use the #1 to secure Trubisky for 5 yrs/$30 mill vs JG for 5 yrs/$70+ million ($900k + 4 x $18 mill). That $8.6 million/year savings can build a deeper team.
Having a quality QB on a rookie contract provides a major advantage for teams (See Seattle, Baltimore, NE, etc)

Its 4/30m for the 1st round pick. And this year 17.6m for the 5th year option, and it will be more in 4 years time.. So its more like 5/50m+ for Trubisky. And JG will almost certainly outperform Trubisky this year if that matters to you; which it might not if you are planning to rebuild for several years.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Brady went for 466 yards, converted two two point conversions and led a 90 + yard drive with the season on the line, led the greatest comeback in NFL History less than a month ago and people here are writing him off, unf.ckingbelievable.

 

[Ring 6]

There's more evidence that the Browns owner will ask a homeless guy whether he should keep or fire Hue at the end of the year than give him the time he needs to show he is making a difference in a 3rd year.

Truthfully, he doesn't have a great track record, but I cant really complain about anyone he has fired.
He made terrible hires, which led to the firings, but at least being decisive about the mistakes is better than making them and sticking with them.

 

[Ring 6]

Brady went for 466 yards, converted two two point conversions and led a 90 + yard drive with the season on the line, led the greatest comeback in NFL History less than a month ago and people here are writing him off, unf.ckingbelievable.

Well why keep Brady around when it means you could lose a guy with 94 NFL passes?

 

[TomPatriot]

Brady went for 466 yards, converted two two point conversions and led a 90 + yard drive with the season on the line, led the greatest comeback in NFL History less than a month ago and people here are writing him off, unf.ckingbelievable.

It's not his illustrious past that is being questioned but his future at an age where virtually all athletes have already deteriorated and retired.

 

[Brady6]

We are basing this on Adam Shaffer who 45 days ago reported it was likely the Patriots would lose Josh McDaniels.

The Patriots are using the media to drive up the price for Garoppolo. If Browns offered the #12 pick for Garoppolo Belichick would be packing the kids bags for him.

 

[Ring 6]

Its 4/30m for the 1st round pick. And this year 17.6m for the 5th year option, and it will be more in 4 years time.. So its more like 5/50m+ for Trubisky. And JG will almost certainly outperform Trubisky this year if that matters to you; which it might not if you are planning to rebuild for several years.

Isnt the 5th year option set at the beginning?

As far as this year, if I'm the Browns, I'm not even worried about QB.
They need to build a team. No QB is winning with that cast.
Frankly if it wasn't for optics and hope for the fans, as opposed to the fans becoming irate because they don't see your QB plan, I would take this years picks, do a lot of trading down, load up on players in the top 100, and use my cap space to get young improving players, and lay the groundwork for a team that can win in the playoffs by 2020.
Add the QB next year, when you have a semblance of a team. Work him into your system and have him be the full time starter in 2019 and take you to the playoffs in 2020.
Go with Kessler now, who by the way, could realize surprise and turn into what some people think Jimmy G can. Long shot, but could happen.

 

[Ring 6]

It's not his illustrious past that is being questioned but his future at an age where virtually all athletes have already deteriorated and retired.

His last game isn't really his 'past'.

Virtually all athletes could not do what he did at his current age, hell how many QBs at ANY age could do what Brady did in 2016? 5 ever?

 

[Huckleberry1]

It's not his illustrious past that is being questioned but his future at an age where virtually all athletes have already deteriorated and retired.

By "past" you must mean 3 1/2 weeks ago? I guess it's time to remind people he went 14-1 this season, his brittle back up lasted 6 quarters.

 

[patfanken]

So let me understand this. If Brady goes out and has another Brady year and wins his 6th SB, then afterward BB asks for his honest assessment of how long he thinks he will keep playing and Brady says he is sure he can play 2 more but could be retiring after that you would want BB to cut Brady then and sign Jimmy g long term rather than keep Brady as his QB and let Jimmy g walk or trade for whatever he can get if he can fit the tag under the cap. Is that your position?

I would be very surprised if BB hasn't already had this conversation with Brady after THIS superbowl.

 

[Ring 6]

I would be very surprised if BB hasn't already had this conversation with Brady after THIS superbowl.

Probably has, but he isn't cutting him.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I would be very surprised if BB hasn't already had this conversation with Brady after THIS superbowl.

Brady told King he was playing 4-5 more years then he would re-evaluate, and the reports out of the Patriots that week were that they were in talks to extend his contract.

 

[Dexter]

 

[patfanken]

Monetarily, there are approximately 43 million reasons to use the #1 to secure Trubisky for 5 yrs/$30 mill vs JG for 5 yrs/$70+ million ($900k + 4 x $18 mill). That $8.6 million/year savings can build a deeper team.
Having a quality QB on a rookie contract provides a major advantage for teams (See Seattle, Baltimore, NE, etc)

If dollars were how you keep score than what you opined would be valid. But they still keep score on the field, and with only 13 games starting on the college level, getting Trubiski ready to play compentently for the 2018 season would be a monumental task, and THAT's if he turns to be as good as you hope. ''

Just look at the time its taken to get Newton, Winston and other high pick QB's ready to compete for titles. By the time Winston is ready to put his team into the playoffs his rookie contract will be over.

On the other hand JG has 2 or 3 years starting in college, and 3 years to develp the critical knowledge of how to read NFL defenses. Knows the speed of the game, PLUS has shown actual successful results on the field. Is there a risk he could bust. Of course there is that risk, but that risk is a LOT lower than any QB coming out, and the chance of success are that much higher.'

He's what I would guarantee. I will guarantee that IF or when any of the top QB's prospects in this draft become top notch QB's in the NFL, they won't be playing for the HC's who drafted them.

 

[Ring 6]

If dollars were how you keep score than what you opined would be valid. But they still keep score on the field, and with only 13 games starting on the college level, getting Trubiski ready to play compentently for the 2018 season would be a monumental task, and THAT's if he turns to be as good as you hope. ''

Just look at the time its taken to get Newton, Winston and other high pick QB's ready to compete for titles. By the time Winston is ready to put his team into the playoffs his rookie contract will be over.

On the other hand JG has 2 or 3 years starting in college, and 3 years to develp the critical knowledge of how to read NFL defenses. Knows the speed of the game, PLUS has shown actual successful results on the field. Is there a risk he could bust. Of course there is that risk, but that risk is a LOT lower than any QB coming out, and the chance of success are that much higher.'

He's what I would guarantee. I will guarantee that IF or when any of the top QB's prospects in this draft become top notch QB's in the NFL, they won't be playing for the HC's who drafted them.

At least Trubisky played 13 games in the last 3 years. People seem to not comprehend that Jimmy G, aside from a game and a half hasn't really competed in a real football game for 3 years.
I get that he has learned an NFL system and all, but everyone really seems to gloss over the fact that not playing football is not how you get better at football.

There cannot be too many examples of guys who threw less than 100 passes in their 1st 3 years then went on to be great QBs. And if he stays here it may be less than 100 in 4 years.

 

[patfanken]

At least Trubisky played 13 games in the last 3 years. People seem to not comprehend that Jimmy G, aside from a game and a half hasn't really competed in a real football game for 3 years.
I get that he has learned an NFL system and all, but everyone really seems to gloss over the fact that not playing football is not how you get better at football.

There cannot be too many examples of guys who threw less than 100 passes in their 1st 3 years then went on to be great QBs. And if he stays here it may be less than 100 in 4 years.

Do you want to just dismiss over 300 practices JG has participate in over the last 3 year, ALL of which are filmed and graded by full time professionals. That JG has also been a full time professional while all these college kids have been splitting time between classes and other activities. How many practices does a college kid have per year, even when include spring practice, Maybe 80, maybe less. None are even allowed to approach the film time a professional takes each week.

Jimmy has spent 8-10 hours a day working on his football skills from May to February the last 3 years and beyond. College programs, even big time ones, might be allowed 15-20 hours per WEEK.

To compare Trubiski's experiences over the last 3 years with JG's is patently ridiculous and you are using it basically to prop an opinion that we somewhat agree upon. We both agree that is is very unlikely Brady is going anywhere the next 3 years and that during that 3 year window, Brady will be the best QB the Pats can put out on the field

Where we might disagree is JG's value to another team. I believe for the next 3 years, JG's value to a team who trades for him will be higher than any of the QB's currently being thought of as first round picks.

 

[Ring 6]

Do you want to just dismiss over 300 practices JG has participate in over the last 3 year, ALL of which are filmed and graded by full time professionals. That JG has also been a full time professional while all these college kids have been splitting time between classes and other activities. How many practices does a college kid have per year, even when include spring practice, Maybe 80, maybe less. No are they even allowed to approach the film time a professional takes each week.

Jimmy has spent 8-10 hours a day working on his football skills from May to February the last 3 years and beyond. College programs, even big time ones, might be allowed 15-20 hours per WEEK.

To compare Trubiski's experiences over the last 3 years with JG's is patently ridiculous and you are using basically to prop an opinion that we somewhat agree upon. We both agree that is is very unlikely Brady is going anywhere the next 3 years and that during that 3 year window, Brady will be the best QB the Pats can put out on the field

Where we might disagree is JG's value to another team. I believe for the next 3 years, JG's value to a team who trades for him will be higher than any of the QB's currently being thought of as first round picks.

Not playing in football games for 3 years is a factor whether you want to gloss it over or not.
It's not the only factor which is why I didn't present it that way.
There are 2 sides to every coin. Bemoaning tribuskys experience then saying Jimmy g has experience because he runs the scout team is what did you call it? Propping up an opinion
If you don't think not playoff football for 3 years is a negative for a football player I'm not sure we can discuss this topic honestly.

 

[deroc5050]

By "past" you must mean 3 1/2 weeks ago? I guess it's time to remind people he went 14-1 this season, his brittle back up lasted 6 quarters.

Well thats slightly unfair seeing as JG only had 4 weeks to showcase. He might have missed games 2 and 3 and been back by week 5.

Brady is the best ever no questions asked. But how much longer is he going to be Brady? We have no idea. If he is still racking up MVP votes in 2019 that would be borderline incredible.

I don't think the decision is that easy. On the other hand I can't see the Patriots moving on from Brady. I just can't see it happening. I am talking about after 2017 of course. 2018 and beyond. Brady will be turning 41 and you will have just let a potential future star go for another year or 2 of Brady.

I can't see Brady playing until he is 45 years old.

Short Answer I am glad I am not making the personel decisions.