Pats have engaged in TRADE TALKS for Isaiah Wynn

[DaBruinz]

From his move to G after a successful rookie season as T. I should have said he doesn't play Tackle primarily anymore.

He may be moved back to RT if Wynn is moved. We'll have to wait and see.

 

[Triumph]

He’s an eighth of an inch shorter than Kelvin Beachum, who was a 7-year starter at LT before switching over to RT the last two seasons with the Cardinals.

Um, it might not be the best news to hear that youre being moved to RT. Wynns problems are at pass blocking where LTs earn the big money. I am 6 foot and Willie Roaf towered over me. I would really have my work cut out for me blocking a DE his size.

Wynn has moved around and Beachum doesnt event show up on the radar per PFF. 2022 NFL Offensive Tackle Rankings and Tiers | NFL News, Rankings and Statistics | PFF

 

[Ring 6]

That is based on the operating belief Wynn actually starts ~80% of the games.

Who says they are done trading?

No it’s based upon his career to date, including injuries. Btw the last 2 seasons he played 79% of the games.
Can you please tell me which injuries Wynn has that are chronic?

I’m not trading a starter on the hope that maybe I can trade for a replacement and throw him on the field without being in camp. They can make other trades without giving away a starter for basically nothing.

 

[Triumph]

Strange is a Beast.

Not strong? Bear in mind that Stranges hand size is 10 inches and that his hands look small compared to his arms.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Dallas might be desperate.

Josh Ball has been their Cajuste. Hurt all of last year and hasn't been great in preseason. Hes their backup swing tackle.

I'd start with a 3rd and assume responsibility for paying out all $10.4m of Wynn's salary. Jerruh will obviously want to chisel. I'd be OK w/ a 4th or a 5th and DAL takes 75% of Wynn's $.

Getting a 4th/5th and $7m in cap space is a good deal for us.

Make LV and Dallas fight for Wynn and drive up the price. Hopefully we can land at least a 3rd. A 2nd if one of those teams is really desperate.

 

[ashley]

Make LV and Dallas fight for Wynn and drive up the price. Hopefully we can land at least a 3rd. A 2nd if one of those teams is really desperate.

If we can get a 3rd for Wynn and if Dallas would take on his salary, I think it's a no brainer. Getting that is going to be challenging in my opinion. I believe he'll be here when the season starts. If we were ever able to get a 2nd, BB would make that trade in a second.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

If we can get a 3rd for Wynn and if Dallas would take on his salary, I think it's a no brainer. Getting that is going to be challenging in my opinion. I believe he'll be here when the season starts. If we were ever able to get a 2nd, BB would make that trade in a second.

things getting worse for Dallas…

Report: Tyron Smith suffered an avulsion fracture

The news isn't getting any better about Cowboys left tackle Tyron Smith.

profootballtalk.nbcsports.com

The Cowboys have not made any move like that with Smith at this point, but Rapoport reports that he won’t be able to return until December if he is able to return at all. The Cowboys could keep the door open by waiting until after the cut to 53 players to put Smith on injured reserve, but any move before that would eliminate the chance of playing again this year.

 

[Ollie]

I can't see how we can let him leave without a replacement.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

He’s an eighth of an inch shorter than Kelvin Beachum, who was a 7-year starter at LT before switching over to RT the last two seasons with the Cardinals.

Yeah and Beachum was considered a small prospect, but still bigger than Wynn

The best tackle in the league not named Trent Williams is also undersized and often injured but I doubt most here don't even know his name. Injuries suck.

Anyway I just wish we did this during the draft process. Timing and consequences are worse now.

 

[ashley]

Posted this in the training camp thread yesterday, but thought it would be good to post here as far as Wynn goes. Stock down for him yesterday. There's just something about his attitude that rubs me the wrong way, when he plays he's not bad, it's just a little concerning. A good read.

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[RobertWeathers]

No it’s based upon his career to date, including injuries. Btw the last 2 seasons he played 79% of the games.
Can you please tell me which injuries Wynn has that are chronic?

Who cares which injuries are chronic or not? You consider Wynn reliable and good. I don't.

I’m not trading a starter on the hope that maybe I can trade for a replacement and throw him on the field without being in camp. They can make other trades without giving away a starter for basically nothing.

Patriots signed 34y/o Brian Waters on the eve of the season and he did fine. Even so if they find a solid vet who has a track record of reliability and consistent performance and he needs a week to get up to speed then fine.

 

[Toofy]

What I am hearing on other sources is that wynn is reluctant to play at RT and hence the disgruntling . Probably being a contract year he wants to play at a position that he is comfortable with so that he can perform better and get a big pay day.

Playing at RT possibly is better for the team , but Wynn is struggling and feels he will lose out on his next pay day and wants either a contract extension or playing at LT.

And what I am hearing is people want us to eat 5 million of his cap space and get some 6tg rounder in trade value.

If that's the case just keep up with Wynn, reason with him and if he doesn't budge, ask him to find a trade partner who will absorb his cap, else just make him sit on bench as a LT backup. It's a costly mistake but we can learn from it.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

What I am hearing on other sources is that wynn is reluctant to play at RT and hence the disgruntling . Probably being a contract year he wants to play at a position that he is comfortable with so that he can perform better and get a big pay day.

Playing at RT possibly is better for the team , but Wynn is struggling and feels he will lose out on his next pay day and wants either a contract extension or playing at LT.

And what I am hearing is people want us to eat 5 million of his cap space and get some 6tg rounder in trade value.

If that's the case just keep up with Wynn, reason with him and if he doesn't budge, ask him to find a trade partner who will absorb his cap, else just make him sit on bench as a LT backup. It's a costly mistake but we can learn from it.

If that's the case, Dallas is perfect fit for him. He gets to play LT (at least until Smith returns) and then gets to hit payday in the offseason.

 

[sb1]

I don't remember seeing anyone really pan the Wynn pick when it was made. Same with Harry.

Most first round grades from that draft have him in the B range. Probably fair. Grades for some of the other guys picked in the first round were kinda comical, like Josh Rosen getting an A and Vita Vea getting a D+. Yikes

 

[Grogan14]

No way anyone would want to trade him ..we might need to eat 5 million cap space to trade him or provide a 3rd rounder to trade him at his contract now.

He is gonna be stuck with us unless we have a contender team lose their starting tackle and their backups are super mediocre ...

Trade might happen during season and not now..

Who cares which injuries are chronic or not? You consider Wynn reliable and good. I don't.



Patriots signed 34y/o Brian Waters on the eve of the season and he did fine. Even so if they find a solid vet who has a track record of reliability and consistent performance and he needs a week to get up to speed then fine.

Even a backup tackle who does not get injured every other game would be a big plus in terms of OL continuity compared to Wynn.
I will be happy to see him go. BB has repeatedly said availability to play is more important than talent. It's not like Wynn is anything more than an average LT.
I do not understand why they did not keep Shaq Mason and trade Wynn earlier in the season.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Even a backup tackle who does not get injured every other game would be a big plus in terms of OL continuity compared to Wynn.
I will be happy to see him go. BB has repeatedly said availability to play is more important than talent. It's not like Wynn is anything more than an average LT.
I do not understand why they did not keep Shaq Mason and trade Wynn earlier in the season.

Shaq was a cap move and he approaching new deal time. They were able to sign players with the space they realized. Now he was durable.

 

[slash83]

Trade Wynn to Dallas now that Smith is out for pretty much the year. I want Onwenu at RT.

 

[Love The Drake]

Trade Wynn to Dallas now that Smith is out for pretty much the year. I want Onwenu at RT.

Player or pick?

 

[ashley]

Trade Wynn to Dallas now that Smith is out for pretty much the year. I want Onwenu at RT.

I understand what you're saying, but then who do we put at RG? I was hoping Hines was the guy, but he got off to a late start, none of the other backups inside seem to have stepped up.

 

[PowerRunRevival]

I understand what you're saying, but then who do we put at RG? I was hoping Hines was the guy, but he got off to a late start, none of the other backup inside seem to have stepped up.

I think it makes sense for the Pats to deal Wynn because he's not going to be here long term. I would also be in favor of them using some of the extra picks they have already acquired to fill that RG spot. I think the Pats would get a better return compared with what it would cost (3rd for Wynn, 4th for a quality RG prospect).