Pats considering Butler trade to Saints for Brandin Cooks

[luuked]

Butler cannot be traded as an RFA. He has to be under contract with the trading team before he can be traded.

So Butler signs the NE tender thereby becoming under contract to NE and no longer a RFA (no longer a FA in any form for that matter). At that point no one can even talk to him w/o NE's permission. Butler is now traded to NO. As in all trades, the contract follows him. Once in NO he tears up his contract and signs the long-term deal that was agreed to as part of the trade negotiations.

Now, if before NE can do the trade some team makes an offer to Butler and he signs it, NE would have to match the offer if they still wanted to do the trade. Matching the offer puts Butler under contract to NE and then they can trade him. The contract would follow him, etc. Of course, NO wouldn't do the trade if they can't get a commitment from Butler to renegotiate that contract into a longer-term deal NO wants. If NE does not match the offer Butler goes to the team he signed with and NE gets that teams's 1st round pick.

Which is exactly what I said. But whatever... we are on the same page..

 

[The Gr8est]

The Saints board I am looking at has them universally thinking the Pats need to include a high pick or two, even their 1st.

Are they aware that the Saints have been trying to move Cooks for a reason, and he only has 2 relatively cheap years left?

 

[Rdforty2]

I'm not completely in on compensatory pick formula but I don't think signing one free agent eliminates you from consideration. We're going to lose Ryan, Bennett, and under this assumption, Hightower(among others). That far outweighs an addition of Gilmore, in the eyes of the formula.

 

[Wheelman]

This makes it even more jarring to me.

Well Butler's agent is new to the business. Butler is the agents first big time player.

 

[Deus Irae]

Dale Arnold said a media friend of his told him that the deal is happening. I'm not happy about it, but...

Gilmore
+Cooks
-Butler
-JAG
+#12 (and more) from the Browns, some of which is used, in some form, on a CB
+either Patriots #1 or the drop down pick at #42

would seem to be a very reasonable job of damage control and, at least potentially, improvement.

 

[NG Pats Fan]

Dale Arnold said a media friend of his told him that the deal is happening. I'm not happy about it, but...

Gilmore
+Cooks
-Butler
-JAG
+#12 (and more) from the Browns, some of which is used, in some form, on a CB
+either Patriots #1 or the drop down pick at #42

would seem to be a very reasonable job of damage control and, at least potentially, improvement.

What I'm confused

 

[English Patriot]

Cooks is a legit home run threat pretty much on any play. If he gets that attitude sorted (of which i have no doubt when he's NE) then it's a HUGE piece on offense. Losing Butler is just not good business though

 

[JarOfMayo51]

If they sign Butler as well, I'd assume we'd have the most expensive secondary in the league would we not?

McCourty
Gilmore
Butler
Harmon
Chung

and Cyrus Jones is a 2nd rounder.. and Eric Rowe is still on his rookie contract which was a 1st or 2nd rounder I think..

Never seen BB emphasize the secondary like this before.. This is a far turn from things compared to the Troy Brown at CB days!

Now we need another Flowers in the draft and maybe a veteran DE, then start cranking out the turnovers on D!

 

[Deus Irae]

What I'm confused

• Gilmore's added, at a cost
• Add Cooks, but lose Butler
• Trade JAG to Cleveland for #12 and additional picks
• Use #12, either on its own, with additional picks to move up, or dropping down and gaining picks, to draft a CB in round 1
• Still have #42 (Rumor is a pick swap with Saints)

That would likely weaken the CB position at the start of the year, but give a real chance for long-term improvement at fair money.
That would strengthen the WR corps for 2017 and, theoretically, for 2018.
That would add a player control pre-franchise tag year (2 for Cooks versus 1 for Butler)
That would still leave the full complement of picks, albeit starting 10 slots later, plus whatever additional picks were gotten from Cleveland.

 

[JarOfMayo51]

Isn't Cooks upset with his current deal? Unless BB plans to extend him with a nice contract, there is a possibility that he could become disgruntled and/or holdout

First day of FA has already been a wild ride, curious to see what comes next!

 

[TB12TheGoat]

Some Saints fans wanting Butler+Jimmy or Butler+Gronk

 

[Love The Drake]

Hold on

 

[English Patriot]

Some Saints fans wanting Butler+Jimmy or Butler+Gronk

HAHA even Butler straight up is a doubt let alone Butler and Jimmy/Gronk. Think they've been inserting those beads through the ears down in NO

 

[shmessy]

If they sign Butler as well, I'd assume we'd have the most expensive secondary in the league would we not?

McCourty
Gilmore
Butler
Harmon
Chung

and Cyrus Jones is a 2nd rounder.. and Eric Rowe is still on his rookie contract which was a 1st or 2nd rounder I think..

Never seen BB emphasize the secondary like this before.. This is a far turn from things compared to the Troy Brown at CB days!

Now we need another Flowers in the draft and maybe a veteran DE, then start cranking out the turnovers on D!

"But Mike, what will they do when they have to face an elite QB????"

.

 

[zipster9]

Is Bradin Cook that good, that the Patriots willing to trade their #32 pick, and now Butler? I mean the Saints are mostly pass happy, so Cook will get lots of attempts.

Patriots spread the ball around.

Or is he the "apparent heir" to Edelman?

 

[pherein]

Is Bradin Cook that good, that the Patriots willing to trade their #32 pick, and now Butler? I mean the Saints are mostly pass happy, so Cook will get lots of attempts.

Patriots spread the ball around.

Or is he the "apparent heir" to Edelman?

Just butler, but I think BB turned him down 1st time. I believe BB called SP when Titans ask for #18 and told him not to do it. I dont know anything

 

[Kontradiction]

Hmmm...

CB Malcolm Butler’s agent: No contract talks with Patriots in a long time

“The Patriots haven’t approached Malcolm about his contract since last year, and anything that says he keeps asking for the moon is completely false,” Simpson said.

If that's true, and it's probably not since it's coming from an agent, it would be disappointing to say the least.

 

[PatsBoy12]

The Saints board I am looking at has them universally thinking the Pats need to include a high pick or two, even their 1st.

Are they aware that the Saints have been trying to move Cooks for a reason, and he only has 2 relatively cheap years left?

Are they aware they've been in desperate need of even an adequate corner since the pick six against Manning?

 

[PatsBoy12]

Is Bradin Cook that good, that the Patriots willing to trade their #32 pick, and now Butler? I mean the Saints are mostly pass happy, so Cook will get lots of attempts.

Patriots spread the ball around.

Or is he the "apparent heir" to Edelman?

He can't be that good if people are struggling to spell his name.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Hmmm...

CB Malcolm Butler’s agent: No contract talks with Patriots in a long time



If that's true, and it's probably not since it's coming from an agent, it would be disappointing to say the least.

It is a shame that both sided could not figure out a deal.