DRAFT Patriots select WR Tyquan Thornton at 50.

[venecol]

Only guys with 32 + arms were Burks, D Williams, Ezukanma, Pierce, Woods, London. I believe him and Williams (34/35?) might of had the longest but could be wrong.

#138 Calvin Austin III, Memphis
Hand Size: 9 1/4 inches
Arm Length: 30 inches
Wingspan: 73 inches

UDFA Kevin Austin Jr., Notre Dame
Hand Size: 9 inches
Arm Length: 32 7/8 inches
Wingspan: 79 1/4 inches

#99 David Bell, Purdue
Hand Size: 9 1/4 inches
Arm Length: 31 7/8 inches
Wingspan: 76 5/8 inches

UDFA Slade Bolden, Alabama
Hand Size: 9 3/4 inches
Arm Length: 29 3/8 inches
Wingspan: 72 1/8 inches

#18 Treylon Burks, Arkansas
Hand Size: 9 7/8 inches
Arm Length: 33 1/2 inches
Wingspan: 79 1/8 inches

UDFA Dai’Jean Dixon, Nicholas State
Hand Size: 9 7/8 inches
Arm Length: 33 1/2 inches
Wingspan: 79 1/8 inches

#16 Johan Dotson, Penn State
Hand Size: 9 3/4 inches
Arm Length: 29 3/8 inches
Wingspan: 72 1/8 inches

#132 Romeo Doubs, Nevada
Hand Size: 10 inches
Arm Length: 32 1/4 inches
Wingspan: 77 3/8 inches

UDFA Dontario Drummond, Ole Miss
Hand Size: 9 1/4 inches
Arm Length: 31 1/2 inches
Wingspan: 76 3/8 inches

#125 Erik Ezukanma, Texas Tech
Hand Size: 9 3/8 inches
Arm Length: 33 1/2 inches
Wingspan: 78 1/4 inches

UDFA Ty Fryfogle, Indiana
Hand Size: 9 3/4 inches
Arm Length: 30 3/4 inches
Wingspan: 74 5/8 inches

#105 Danny Gray, SMU
Hand Size: 9 5/8 inches
Arm Length: 31 7/8 inches
Wingspan: 76 7/8 inches

UDFA Josh Johnson, Tulsa
Hand Size: 8 5/8 inches
Arm Length: 31 7/8 inches
Wingspan: 73 7/8 inches

UDFA Johnny Johnson III, Oregon
Hand Size: 9 3/4 inches
Arm Length: 30 1/2 inches
Wingspan: 74 1/8 inches

#71 Velus Jones, Tennessee
Hand Size: 9 3/4 inches
Arm Length: 30 7/8 inches
Wingspan: 73 1/2 inches

#8 Drake London, USC
Hand Size: 9 3/8 inches
Arm Length: 33 inches
Wingspan: 77 3/4 inches

#229 Bo Melton, Rutgers
Hand Size: 9 inches
Arm Length: 31 1/4 inches
Wingspan: 76 1/2 inches

#44 John Metchie, Alabama
Hand Size: 9 1/4 inches
Arm Length: 30 5/8 inches
Wingspan: 73 3/8 inches

#54 Skyy Moore, Western Michigan
Hand Size: 10 1/4 inches
Arm Length: 31 inches
Wingspan: 73 5/8 inches

#191 Jalen Nailor, Michigan State
Hand Size: 9 1/8 inches
Arm Length: 30 1/4 inches
Wingspan: 73 inches

#11 Chris Olave, Ohio State
Hand Size: 9 1/2 inches
Arm Length: 31 1/8 inches
Wingspan: 73 1/8 inches

#163 Kyle Philips, UCLA
Hand Size: 8 5/8 inches
Arm Length: 29 5/8 inches
Wingspan: 71 inches

#52 George Pickens, Georgia
Hand Size: 8 3/4 inches
Arm Length: 32 3/8 inches
Wingspan: 77 3/8 inches

#53 Alex Pierce, Cincinnati
Hand Size: 9 inches
Arm Length: 33 inches
Wingspan: 78 1/2 inches

UDFA Makai Polk, Mississippi State
Hand Size: 9 1/2 inches
Arm Length: 32 1/4 inches
Wingspan: 77 7/8 inches

UDFA Charleston Rambo, Miami
Hand Size: 9 3/4 inches
Arm Length: 32 inches
Wingspan: 76 1/2 inches

UDFA Reggie Roberson Jr., SMU
Hand Size: 9 1/2 inches
Arm Length: 32 5/8 inches
Wingspan: 78 1/4 inches

#43 Wan’Dale Robinson, Kentucky
Hand Size: 9 inches
Arm Length: 27 5/8 inches
Wingspan: 67 5/8 inches

UDFA Justyn Ross, Clemson
Hand Size: 9 5/8 inches
Arm Length: 32 1/8 inches
Wingspan: 77 7/8 inches

UDFA Braylon Sanders, Ole Miss
Hand Size: 10 inches
Arm Length: 31 1/2 inches
Wingspan: 74 3/4 inches

#148 Khalil Shakir, Boise State
Hand Size: 9 1/2 inches
Arm Length: 29 inches
Wingspan: 70 3/8 inches

#50 Tyquan Thornton, Baylor
Hand Size: 8 1/4 inches
Arm Length: 33 1/4 inches
Wingspan: 79 1/4 inches

#88 Jalen Tolbert, So Alabama
Hand Size: 10 inches
Arm Length: 32 1/4 inches
Wingspan: 76 3/8 inches

UDFA Tre Turner, Virginia Tech
Hand Size: 8 1/2 inches
Arm Length: 30 3/4 inches
Wingspan: 74 1/4 inches

#34 Christian Watson, North Dakota State
Hand Size: 10 1/8 inches
Arm Length: 32 1/2 inches
Wingspan: 77 5/8 inches

UDFA Isaiah Weston, Northern Iowa
Hand Size: 9 1/2 inches
Arm Length: 32 1/2 inches
Wingspan: 78 3/4 inches

UDFA Devon Williams, Oregon
Hand Size: 9 7/8 inches
Arm Length: 34 1/8 inches
Wingspan: 81 inches

#12 Jameson Williams, Alabama
Hand Size: 9 1/4 inches
Arm Length: 32 1/8 inches
Wingspan: 75 7/8 inches

#10 Garrett Wilson, Ohio State
Hand Size: 9 7/8 inches
Arm Length: 32 inches
Wingspan: 76 1/2 inches

#202 Mike Woods, Oklahoma
Hand Size: 9 5/8 inches
Arm Length: 33 inches
Wingspan: 78 3/8 inches

 

[JMC00]

 

[Sicilian]

I feel like this should be common sense, or at least was circulating enough in league channels that Bill felt the need to trade up to get him. If there were no serious rumblings from multiple teams that Thornton was going higher than the consensus, then I doubt they would have bothered to leap frog anyone for him.

 

[rochrist]

It's almost as though the guy who's been coaching in the NFL for 40 years might actually know what he's doing.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

#138 Calvin Austin III, Memphis
Hand Size: 9 1/4 inches
Arm Length: 30 inches
Wingspan: 73 inches

UDFA Kevin Austin Jr., Notre Dame
Hand Size: 9 inches
Arm Length: 32 7/8 inches
Wingspan: 79 1/4 inches

#99 David Bell, Purdue
Hand Size: 9 1/4 inches
Arm Length: 31 7/8 inches
Wingspan: 76 5/8 inches

UDFA Slade Bolden, Alabama
Hand Size: 9 3/4 inches
Arm Length: 29 3/8 inches
Wingspan: 72 1/8 inches

#18 Treylon Burks, Arkansas
Hand Size: 9 7/8 inches
Arm Length: 33 1/2 inches
Wingspan: 79 1/8 inches

UDFA Dai’Jean Dixon, Nicholas State
Hand Size: 9 7/8 inches
Arm Length: 33 1/2 inches
Wingspan: 79 1/8 inches

#16 Johan Dotson, Penn State
Hand Size: 9 3/4 inches
Arm Length: 29 3/8 inches
Wingspan: 72 1/8 inches

#132 Romeo Doubs, Nevada
Hand Size: 10 inches
Arm Length: 32 1/4 inches
Wingspan: 77 3/8 inches

UDFA Dontario Drummond, Ole Miss
Hand Size: 9 1/4 inches
Arm Length: 31 1/2 inches
Wingspan: 76 3/8 inches

#125 Erik Ezukanma, Texas Tech
Hand Size: 9 3/8 inches
Arm Length: 33 1/2 inches
Wingspan: 78 1/4 inches

UDFA Ty Fryfogle, Indiana
Hand Size: 9 3/4 inches
Arm Length: 30 3/4 inches
Wingspan: 74 5/8 inches

#105 Danny Gray, SMU
Hand Size: 9 5/8 inches
Arm Length: 31 7/8 inches
Wingspan: 76 7/8 inches

UDFA Josh Johnson, Tulsa
Hand Size: 8 5/8 inches
Arm Length: 31 7/8 inches
Wingspan: 73 7/8 inches

UDFA Johnny Johnson III, Oregon
Hand Size: 9 3/4 inches
Arm Length: 30 1/2 inches
Wingspan: 74 1/8 inches

#71 Velus Jones, Tennessee
Hand Size: 9 3/4 inches
Arm Length: 30 7/8 inches
Wingspan: 73 1/2 inches

#8 Drake London, USC
Hand Size: 9 3/8 inches
Arm Length: 33 inches
Wingspan: 77 3/4 inches

#229 Bo Melton, Rutgers
Hand Size: 9 inches
Arm Length: 31 1/4 inches
Wingspan: 76 1/2 inches

#44 John Metchie, Alabama
Hand Size: 9 1/4 inches
Arm Length: 30 5/8 inches
Wingspan: 73 3/8 inches

#54 Skyy Moore, Western Michigan
Hand Size: 10 1/4 inches
Arm Length: 31 inches
Wingspan: 73 5/8 inches

#191 Jalen Nailor, Michigan State
Hand Size: 9 1/8 inches
Arm Length: 30 1/4 inches
Wingspan: 73 inches

#11 Chris Olave, Ohio State
Hand Size: 9 1/2 inches
Arm Length: 31 1/8 inches
Wingspan: 73 1/8 inches

#163 Kyle Philips, UCLA
Hand Size: 8 5/8 inches
Arm Length: 29 5/8 inches
Wingspan: 71 inches

#52 George Pickens, Georgia
Hand Size: 8 3/4 inches
Arm Length: 32 3/8 inches
Wingspan: 77 3/8 inches

#53 Alex Pierce, Cincinnati
Hand Size: 9 inches
Arm Length: 33 inches
Wingspan: 78 1/2 inches

UDFA Makai Polk, Mississippi State
Hand Size: 9 1/2 inches
Arm Length: 32 1/4 inches
Wingspan: 77 7/8 inches

UDFA Charleston Rambo, Miami
Hand Size: 9 3/4 inches
Arm Length: 32 inches
Wingspan: 76 1/2 inches

UDFA Reggie Roberson Jr., SMU
Hand Size: 9 1/2 inches
Arm Length: 32 5/8 inches
Wingspan: 78 1/4 inches

#43 Wan’Dale Robinson, Kentucky
Hand Size: 9 inches
Arm Length: 27 5/8 inches
Wingspan: 67 5/8 inches

UDFA Justyn Ross, Clemson
Hand Size: 9 5/8 inches
Arm Length: 32 1/8 inches
Wingspan: 77 7/8 inches

UDFA Braylon Sanders, Ole Miss
Hand Size: 10 inches
Arm Length: 31 1/2 inches
Wingspan: 74 3/4 inches

#148 Khalil Shakir, Boise State
Hand Size: 9 1/2 inches
Arm Length: 29 inches
Wingspan: 70 3/8 inches

#50 Tyquan Thornton, Baylor
Hand Size: 8 1/4 inches
Arm Length: 33 1/4 inches
Wingspan: 79 1/4 inches

#88 Jalen Tolbert, So Alabama
Hand Size: 10 inches
Arm Length: 32 1/4 inches
Wingspan: 76 3/8 inches

UDFA Tre Turner, Virginia Tech
Hand Size: 8 1/2 inches
Arm Length: 30 3/4 inches
Wingspan: 74 1/4 inches

#34 Christian Watson, North Dakota State
Hand Size: 10 1/8 inches
Arm Length: 32 1/2 inches
Wingspan: 77 5/8 inches

UDFA Isaiah Weston, Northern Iowa
Hand Size: 9 1/2 inches
Arm Length: 32 1/2 inches
Wingspan: 78 3/4 inches

UDFA Devon Williams, Oregon
Hand Size: 9 7/8 inches
Arm Length: 34 1/8 inches
Wingspan: 81 inches

#12 Jameson Williams, Alabama
Hand Size: 9 1/4 inches
Arm Length: 32 1/8 inches
Wingspan: 75 7/8 inches

#10 Garrett Wilson, Ohio State
Hand Size: 9 7/8 inches
Arm Length: 32 inches
Wingspan: 76 1/2 inches

#202 Mike Woods, Oklahoma
Hand Size: 9 5/8 inches
Arm Length: 33 inches
Wingspan: 78 3/8 inches

I was off by like 4 prospects in terms of + 32 arms. Or maybe I'm missing something I haven't read all of the thread?

 

[borg]

It's almost as though the guy who's been coaching in the NFL for 40 years might actually know what he's doing.

It's almost as though others have taken over draft decisions the past two years
(RK gives a wink)

Were 38 years of NFL experience insufficient when "the guy" grabbed No Separation Harry and SloJuan at the top of his 2019 draft?
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To change the subject slightly....
You'd think "the guy who's been coaching in the NFL for 40 years" could force the Bills to punt just once

That being said...
I do want to get it on record that I am more optimistic in year 41
I believe BB and sons will force Buffalo to punt at least once in each game this coming season

 

[Betterthanmost]

It's almost as though the guy who's been coaching in the NFL for 40 years might actually know what he's doing.

I love BB probably more than most if not all, but he did select Harry. I saw he could not separate in college, but I deferred to BB that he knows what he is doing. In Harry's case, he did not know what he was selecting. Dude went to Brady's backyard one time and that was it with him and Brady. Do you know who will be the best WR evaluator post retirement? Brady. He threw to Moss one time and he knew what he was.

 

[rochrist]

I love BB probably more than most if not all, but he did select Harry. I saw he could not separate in college, but I deferred to BB that he knows what he is doing. In Harry's case, he did not know what he was selecting. Dude went to Brady's backyard one time and that was it with him and Brady. Do you know who will be the best WR evaluator post retirement? Brady. He threw to Moss one time and he knew what he was.

And yet, somehow Harry was a 'consensus' 1st rounder.

 

[Brotherblues]

ONE game a season in Miami...and it's the FIRST game this season which precludes any rookie WR draftee by the Patriots from performing in, as a rule the past TWENTY years.

Yes but if he dies in it then he winds up missing a ton more games

 

[TheRainMaker]

I love BB probably more than most if not all, but he did select Harry. I saw he could not separate in college, but I deferred to BB that he knows what he is doing. In Harry's case, he did not know what he was selecting. Dude went to Brady's backyard one time and that was it with him and Brady. Do you know who will be the best WR evaluator post retirement? Brady. He threw to Moss one time and he knew what he was.

McDaniels had influence in this. There was some weird workout in Foxborough that made them decide Harry was their guy.

Regarding Brady, it doesn't take a very smart man to realize Tampa Bay had good WR's in Evans and Godwin. This is why many projected him to go there. Not sure what you mean by Moss as he was a proven WR and the Pats got him in a very low risk trade.

 

[crawhammer]

Who is Tyquan taking snaps away from to get on the field?

2021 WR snap percentages...

84% Meyers
73% Agholor
52% Bourne
43% Harry

I suppose Harry is a goner, which frees up some opportunities. However, you also have to account for Parker who was at 81% with Miami. He arguably is WR1 heading into the season and will take Harry's snaps plus some of Agholor's. You would think Bourne's snap % is going up, maybe significantly. If Tyquan is even going to see the field much then there will have to be injuries or Agholor has to go (this also assuming Harry goes).

 

[venecol]

I was off by like 4 prospects in terms of + 32 arms. Or maybe I'm missing something I haven't read all of the thread?

Nah, just thought it'd be cool to post this for top drafted WRs and reply to your post was the excuse.

 

[JMC00]

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

McDaniels had influence in this. There was some weird workout in Foxborough that made them decide Harry was their guy.

Regarding Brady, it doesn't take a very smart man to realize Tampa Bay had good WR's in Evans and Godwin. This is why many projected him to go there. Not sure what you mean by Moss as he was a proven WR and the Pats got him in a very low risk trade.

Can we get a link to the McDaniels/Harry thing? Is there one? I know it's been brought up but what's in record.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Who is Tyquan taking snaps away from to get on the field?

2021 WR snap percentages...

84% Meyers
73% Agholor
52% Bourne
43% Harry

I suppose Harry is a goner, which frees up some opportunities. However, you also have to account for Parker who was at 81% with Miami. He arguably is WR1 heading into the season and will take Harry's snaps plus some of Agholor's. You would think Bourne's snap % is going up, maybe significantly. If Tyquan is even going to see the field much then there will have to be injuries or Agholor has to go (this also assuming Harry goes).

My guess is every snap Meyers took outside. Bourne will go up as well but could even off if we play him in more of a strict slot role.

This is a good question though and one i kind of asked. We didnt draft him to be just another WR at 50. Not that high and with his skill. We're expecting WR1 in the near future (2023 >) but I'm guessing we hope he naturally separates himself from the rest. That has to be the hope.

He's got like 2 elite traits. Or borderline elite traits. Scary speed and ability to beat press. Not elite but very good. So if you're betting on someone you want him to have those two.

 

[venecol]

My guess is every snap Meyers took outside. Bourne will go up as well but could even off if we play him in more of a strict slot role.

This is a good question though and one i kind of asked. We didnt draft him to be just another WR at 50. Not that high and with his skill. We're expecting WR1 in the near future (2023 >) but I'm guessing we hope he naturally separates himself from the rest. That has to be the hope.

He's got like 2 elite traits. Or borderline elite traits. Scary speed and ability to beat press. Not elite but very good. So if you're betting on someone you want him to have those two.

What level of secondary opposition did he face in the Big 12? I've seen this raised as a concern and wanted to hear your take.

 

[Vindicate]

I love BB probably more than most if not all, but he did select Harry. I saw he could not separate in college, but I deferred to BB that he knows what he is doing. In Harry's case, he did not know what he was selecting. Dude went to Brady's backyard one time and that was it with him and Brady. Do you know who will be the best WR evaluator post retirement? Brady. He threw to Moss one time and he knew what he was.

Brady should've known who Moss was before that first pass lol.

 

[Betterthanmost]

Brady should've known who Moss was before that first pass lol.

Hindsight is a funny thing, lots of people were saying he was washed up. The reason I said it that way is that after one practice I remember PFW crew talking about how Brady was smiling. When we did not see Moss in the preseason they kept saying Brady knew what he had in Moss and we should all watch out and it was lights on from the get go!

 

[Betterthanmost]

McDaniels had influence in this. There was some weird workout in Foxborough that made them decide Harry was their guy.

Regarding Brady, it doesn't take a very smart man to realize Tampa Bay had good WR's in Evans and Godwin. This is why many projected him to go there. Not sure what you mean by Moss as he was a proven WR and the Pats got him in a very low risk trade.

I am just saying that Brady knows quite quickly which receivers are elite, good and flat out bums. He has been right, we have drafted some bums for Brady and even with that he won 3 Super Bowls. The first 3 Super bowls were more about the defense than was Brady.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Can we get a link to the McDaniels/Harry thing? Is there one? I know it's been brought up but what's in record.

I've posted the article before during the 2020 when the media was dragging BB though the mud. I don't know how to search for that specific post on here.