Patriots Redzone offense...oh boy...

[captain stone]

For RZ offense it would be great to have

1) a 6'6 or taller TE bruiser - we do not have
2) a reliable north-south running back who does not fumble - we do not have
3) a capable 6'3 or taller receiver who can run fades - (? Mack Hollins)
4) a mobile qb adept at running sneaks - (TBD, Maye is still unproven and raw)

I expect their red zone offense to be bottom third based on currenr personel

5) an OL > the one currently in the building. Everything to the left of Onemenu looks like a potential Disaster in the making...

 

[Nunchucks]

I hope we don’t play that way.

I am not convinced this will be a dominant defense that can carry an offense. It won’t be bad but the offense needs to be good to win.

I am against a pound the run short passing, “stay on schedule” offense. Those never work. Picking up 6 3rd downs in a drive is difficult.
The offense should be designed around setting up chunk plays in the passing game, 15+ yards, and making first downs in first and second down.

Really you increase turnovers when you force yourself into converting a bunch of 3rd downs.

Last year on first and second down we had 373 pass plays with 7 ints and 23 sacks. Thats 1.9% int and 6.2% sack but on 3rd down we had 145 pass plays with 4 ints and 27 sacks. Thats 2.8% int snd 19% sacks. And it wasn’t because of 3rd and long. On 3rd and 6 or less we had 3.2% ints and 22% sacks.

The most dangerous play to an offense is a 3rd down pass. Throwing in 1st and 2nd down, making 1st downs in 1st and 2nd, is not only the best way to put up points, but it also reduces risk.

I am not sure the offense is good enough to do that. Ol talent and Wr talent needs to prove they can be consistent. I'd love to see an offense you describe. Maybe we will.

 

[Ring 6]

I am not sure the offense is good enough to do that. Ol talent and Wr talent needs to prove they can be consistent. I'd love to see an offense you describe. Maybe we will.

I’m talking about the approach. No matter the talent the results would be better.
To expand:
The goal of the offense should be to create chunk play opportunities on first and second down. Of course you use a mix of plays, the difference isn’t 100% pass vs 0% pass on second and 10, for example,but 60 rather than 40. And the plays called should be designed to push the ball down the field not check down. The goal of the sequence of play calling is to get and set up 15+ yard plays.

The offense you described was an offense with a goal of 3rd and makable. “Staying on schedule”
Many people equate that with low risk, but it’s really not. Run, run, throw on 3rd and 6 is a failed offense. During our dynasty there were games when it seemed clear that’s what we were trying to do, and it never worked. We would need 6 3rd down conversions to drive the length of the field. Not only does that have you using your most effective plays in a situation where it’s obviously coming and is over defended but it also requires flawless execution. Throwing the ball 15-20 yards downfield in 2nd and 6 is less risky than trying to convert a 3rd and 6.

The point of offensive strategy is to put players in a position to succeed. Asking them to convert 6 3rd downs on a 16 play drive isn’t doing that. Throwing 18 yards to the seam in first and 10 vs zone or in 2nd and 4 is. Aggressive offense is more successful than conservative offense.
And by aggressive I don’t mean throw 50 times a game and throw 40 yard bombs, I mean the goal of every play call is facilitate opening up the intermediate areas of the passing game. You don’t run in first down so you can run in second then have 3rd and 5. You run in first down so you can throw on second, or one next first down by dictating the defense into what you want.

 

[Nunchucks]

I’m talking about the approach. No matter the talent the results would be better.
To expand:
The goal of the offense should be to create chunk play opportunities on first and second down. Of course you use a mix of plays, the difference isn’t 100% pass vs 0% pass on second and 10, for example,but 60 rather than 40. And the plays called should be designed to push the ball down the field not check down. The goal of the sequence of play calling is to get and set up 15+ yard plays.

The offense you described was an offense with a goal of 3rd and makable. “Staying on schedule”
Many people equate that with low risk, but it’s really not. Run, run, throw on 3rd and 6 is a failed offense. During our dynasty there were games when it seemed clear that’s what we were trying to do, and it never worked. We would need 6 3rd down conversions to drive the length of the field. Not only does that have you using your most effective plays in a situation where it’s obviously coming and is over defended but it also requires flawless execution. Throwing the ball 15-20 yards downfield in 2nd and 6 is less risky than trying to convert a 3rd and 6.

The point of offensive strategy is to put players in a position to succeed. Asking them to convert 6 3rd downs on a 16 play drive isn’t doing that. Throwing 18 yards to the seam in first and 10 vs zone or in 2nd and 4 is. Aggressive offense is more successful than conservative offense.
And by aggressive I don’t mean throw 50 times a game and throw 40 yard bombs, I mean the goal of every play call is facilitate opening up the intermediate areas of the passing game. You don’t run in first down so you can run in second then have 3rd and 5. You run in first down so you can throw on second, or one next first down by dictating the defense into what you want.

I get it, but can they block long enough, can guys get open, and can Maye make the right read and not turn it over.

Like I said, I'd love that kind of offense, I just don't know if they can do that with the talent and inexperienced players they have

 

[Ring 6]

I get it, but can they block long enough, can guys get open, and can Maye make the right read and not turn it over.

Like I said, I'd love that kind of offense, I just don't know if they can do that with the talent and inexperienced players they have

If they can’t do those things a ground and pound offense won’t work either.

You have to put players in a position to succeed.

 

[Salsalife]

Looks like Maye and Dre are working on the solution!

#RhamonDrake

I should sell some T-shirts

WWBD....What would Brady Do...not this..

 

[Salsalife]

I’m talking about the approach. No matter the talent the results would be better.
To expand:
The goal of the offense should be to create chunk play opportunities on first and second down. Of course you use a mix of plays, the difference isn’t 100% pass vs 0% pass on second and 10, for example,but 60 rather than 40. And the plays called should be designed to push the ball down the field not check down. The goal of the sequence of play calling is to get and set up 15+ yard plays.

The offense you described was an offense with a goal of 3rd and makable. “Staying on schedule”
Many people equate that with low risk, but it’s really not. Run, run, throw on 3rd and 6 is a failed offense. During our dynasty there were games when it seemed clear that’s what we were trying to do, and it never worked. We would need 6 3rd down conversions to drive the length of the field. Not only does that have you using your most effective plays in a situation where it’s obviously coming and is over defended but it also requires flawless execution. Throwing the ball 15-20 yards downfield in 2nd and 6 is less risky than trying to convert a 3rd and 6.

The point of offensive strategy is to put players in a position to succeed. Asking them to convert 6 3rd downs on a 16 play drive isn’t doing that. Throwing 18 yards to the seam in first and 10 vs zone or in 2nd and 4 is. Aggressive offense is more successful than conservative offense.
And by aggressive I don’t mean throw 50 times a game and throw 40 yard bombs, I mean the goal of every play call is facilitate opening up the intermediate areas of the passing game. You don’t run in first down so you can run in second then have 3rd and 5. You run in first down so you can throw on second, or one next first down by dictating the defense into what you want.

I'm confused. Didn't a Brady offense read and react to what the defense was doing. Wasn't it predicated on defensive tendencies. When a defense showed a certain look Brady knew what reciever he was going too. Didn't McDaniels say it can all change from series to series? So are you saying run, run, pass was scripted? I.M.O it was about how best to get to the sticks and keep the drive going. Box was light, run, blitz was coming, 3 step, zone is a seam route.

 

[signbabybrady]

WWBD....What would Brady Do...not this..

 

[signbabybrady]

WWBD....What would Brady Do...not this..

You think that was bad. Look at the 3rd slide. Someone jumping off the roof into the pool. We can only hope this was not a player.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Are you allowed to put the head coach in at te for a few plays?

 

[Salsalife]

Year 2, 1 win, no MVP,s on the what should have been the worst team in the NFL last year Come on...goofin around...How about video's of being a full time professional athlete until you win something.

 

[signbabybrady]

Year 2, 1 win, no MVP,s on the what should have been the worst team in the NFL last year Come on...

I don't understand? Seems like you're suggesting that because his first year starting wasn't as good as Brady he shouldn't be bonding and can't have a little fun with teammates. Maybe I'm missing your point.

 

[Salsalife]

I don't understand? Seems like you're suggesting that because his first year starting wasn't as good as Brady he shouldn't be bonding and can't have a little fun with teammates. Maybe I'm missing your point.

Watch on YouTube. An inside look at Tom Brady offseason Preparation when you get a chance...

 

[denverpatsfan]

I am happy that Maye and his teammates are enjoying some deserved time off.

 

[uknepatsfan]

A huge step in improving this is being just effective enough to force defenses to play honest. I'd imagine defensive players last year were licking their chops to play the Patriots to meet some contract incentives. You could really pin your ears back on every single snap and not worry. we literally had the 32nd in both pass and run protection. Even if we connected on a bomb, you could rest assured that itd be unlikely that we'd get 7 out of it.

If you are even mediocre enough to add maybe a half second to defense processing time (instead of no fear of going all out), if you force a secondary to think for even a second about how they're gonna matchup and handoff routes in a zone, you'll see more opportunities.

It all starts with the OL and that's what has made this off-season painstakingly slow. We have no idea what to expect until we get some real OL snaps.

This.

And it really isn’t that hard to be better than that abomination of an offense last season. Absolutely no minutes of sleep were lost by any of the DC’s last year when they were laying their game plans to play the Patriots.

 

[KCSVEN]

Working on it!

 

[signbabybrady]

Watch on YouTube. An inside look at Tom Brady offseason Preparation when you get a chance...

I'm still confused? I expect Drake has worked extremely hard this off-season. And even this was preceded by a throwing session with a bunch of teammates. I don't understand the criticism.

 

[VJCPatriot]

To be a projected 10 win team this is where it has to happen. The jumbo package I'd like to experiment with...
Diggs, Cambell, Conley, Wilson, owenu, Moses, durant(tackle eligible) Williams with Lampe at fullback and fumbles Stevenson at RB.

Who is projecting 10 wins?! That’s a lot to ask from a team that only won 4 games. Naah we will be lucky to scrape 7-8 wins. We need to give them time to grow. This is a rebuild year. 1st year of the Vrabel era.

 

[Real fan 02]

So any thoughts on our 30th ranking last year and Buffalo was 2nd. What will be our ranking this year, hopefully between 10 and 15. Run or pass in the Redzone? I say we focus on running. Not enough proven weapons to throw too yet.

We had a 46% red zone scoring % last season 30th.. while Chicago had a 62% in the red zone wich gave them good for 7th.. both teams had struggling seasons with rookie QBs.

So I'm thinking this season if we can become more efficient there even at 60%.. we'd be amongst the top 10 in red zone scoring. We have some good red zone targets in Henry, Diggs particularly. I also expect Rham to run behind Campbell on alot of red area short goal situations..

 

[Real fan 02]

Who is projecting 10 wins?! That’s a lot to ask from a team that only won 4 games. Naah we will be lucky to scrape 7-8 wins. We need to give them time to grow. This is a rebuild year. 1st year of the Vrabel era.

We've been essentially rebuilding since 2019.. had a fake rebuild year in 2021 under Mac. This team is redirected not rebuilt IMO.. You bring back 2 men with championship pedigree and intimate knowledge of how to build a contender.

I agree they will need time to gel. What i saw from Vrabel is he wants the team to continue to put in the hard work behind the scenes so game days are easy.

We had like 7 ones score losses last season.. under Mayo who led a dysfunctional team. Vrabel wins at least 5 of those. I expect them on week 1 to hit the ground running hard to set the tone and the standards for the Mike vrabel led patriots.