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Patriots Rumor Patriots potentially trading for Aiyuk (Update - Patriots Out of the Running)

A report indicating the Patriots are potentially in the market for this player, or have expressed or plant to express interest.
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I didn’t say the Chiefs had “no WR’s,” I said they haven’t had a #1 since they traded Tyreek because they haven’t. It doesn’t mean their WR’s stink.

Juju, Rashee Rice… these guys are good WR’s, but they’re solid possession receivers and nothing more. Bourne, Juju… we have those type guys.

Burrows has a substantially worse line, near league worst. You don’t understand.

Put the KC offensive line on Cinci and Burrow has two rings on his hand, give him Andy Reid and he’s that much better. Team game.
You took a dumb stance and instead of admitting you were wrong you are doubling down on the stupidity.

If your argument is correct then why didnt Peyton Manning win more superbowls than Brady?

Peyton had a superior oline to Brady almost every single season. In 18 season Peyton was sacked more than 20 times in only 6 of those 18 season. His highest number of sacks was 29 in 2001.

Brady in 22 seasons only had 2 seasons in which he had less than 20 sacks. In fact Brady has 7 seasons getting sacked more than 30 times. The 2001 season, they won the superbowl with Tom getting sacked 41 times in only 14 games.

Yeah, Brady played with a crappy oline almost his whole career.
 
Burrows had one of the worst O-Lines in the league, has suffered two season ending injuries, led the entire NFL in sacks and got sacked 7 and 5 times in both postseason losses.

Mahomes has the most expensive offensive line in the NFL.

This is the reality...
Nope his line 1 year and especially in the playoffs was weak due to injuries , otherwise he has had at least a solid line otherwise
 
I agree that there is a large gap between Mahomes and the second best QB, but that comparison isn't fair. You cant compare full season stats for Mahomes vs half season stats for Burrow in the 2 years he was injured. If you want to do that kind of analysis, you need to compare at a game level. Here it is:

Mahomes: 296.1 yards, 2.28 TD's, 0.65 INT's
Burrow: 270.8 yards, 1.87 TD's, 0.71 INT's
Being available is one of the things that makes Mahomes so great.
 
I think Aiyuk's biggest fear is what all good players expecting a big payday fear and that is the dreaded franchise tag. This is why they start holding out with their 5th year option. If I were the 9ers, I would cut a deal with him to promise to not use the franchise tag if he comes back and ends this nonsense. Asante Samuel said that's what he did after Bill franchised him in 2006. He told Bill he'd only sign the tag and not hold out if Bill promised not to tag him and 2007 and Bill honored it.
 
Reid’s a HoF coach who for the most part has had good to elite level qbs in Smith, McNabb, Vick and Mahomes.

The only time I’ve seen him with below average qb play was with Kolb and it reflected in Phillys record.
Flip side. He's an offensive coach who is known for QB development.
 
I’m loyal to every player and coach that was ever here.

Again you can’t really forge an argument so you lie and say I am rooting against the team. Why not just stfu if you haven’t lie to have something to say?

My feelings about the team, its players, its coaches has a grand total of zero impact on the team.
You are the one who brought “loyalty” into it, not me. I’m just pointing out that you used it like it was a dirty word
Andy there is no need to get emotional. It is clear that you're angry and upset they moved on from Bill and you're lashing out at the new regime. Don't worry. Things will be alright.

So let’s take your analysis. They made minor improvement at best at backup rb and backup wr.
They are down DTs
They swapped a jag lb for another.

So we agree with 100,000,000 they did nothing significant to improve.
I’m shocked that anyone can be pleased with that and content that Kraft just chose to not use 43,000,000 to improve his team.
You think Rome was built in a day? You're living in la la land if you think that they can just flip switch and turn a 4 win team with almost no offensive talent into a contender because they have a bunch of cap space. The offense as a whole needs to be rebuilt from the ground up. They tried to get aggressive at receiver by going after Ridley and Aiyuk but it seems neither really wanted to be here. They made an upgrade for a bridge guy at QB and drafted a talented QB at 3. They paid their RB (which I disagree with) and signed a better pass catching running back.

My main issue was their approach at tackle. Jonah Williams is a slid starting tackle who signed a significant, but not hard to match deal, and he would have solidified at least one of our tackle spots. Tyron Smith signed for peanuts due to his age and injury history but the risk vs reward on a 1 year, $6 million deal is worth it IMO.

You keep spouting $100,000,000 over and over. Who would you have been happy to see them sign? Actual names.
 
Andy there is no need to get emotional. It is clear that you're angry and upset they moved on from Bill and you're lashing out at the new regime. Don't worry. Things will be alright.


You think Rome was built in a day? You're living in la la land if you think that they can just flip switch and turn a 4 win team with almost no offensive talent into a contender because they have a bunch of cap space. The offense as a whole needs to be rebuilt from the ground up. They tried to get aggressive at receiver by going after Ridley and Aiyuk but it seems neither really wanted to be here. They made an upgrade for a bridge guy at QB and drafted a talented QB at 3. They paid their RB (which I disagree with) and signed a better pass catching running back.

My main issue was their approach at tackle. Jonah Williams is a slid starting tackle who signed a significant, but not hard to match deal, and he would have solidified at least one of our tackle spots. Tyron Smith signed for peanuts due to his age and injury history but the risk vs reward on a 1 year, $6 million deal is worth it IMO.

You keep spouting $100,000,000 over and over. Who would you have been happy to see them sign? Actual names.
Your childish responses are falling on deaf ears.

Rome was built in a day but on day 1 they at least started. There is no improvement at any area of the team unless the draft works out which is no competitive improvement at all.
I’ve posted a list of over 70 players who could have made us a better team that signed elsewhere. There really isn’t a spot on the roster we couldn’t have improved in free agency.
 
Your childish responses are falling on deaf ears.

Rome was built in a day but on day 1 they at least started. There is no improvement at any area of the team unless the draft works out which is no competitive improvement at all.
I’ve posted a list of over 70 players who could have made us a better team that signed elsewhere. There really isn’t a spot on the roster we couldn’t have improved in free agency.
Don't worry Andy. You will get to watch Bill on his fantasy football podcast or whatever it is instead of the Patriots.
 
Your childish responses are falling on deaf ears.

Rome was built in a day but on day 1 they at least started. There is no improvement at any area of the team unless the draft works out which is no competitive improvement at all.
I’ve posted a list of over 70 players who could have made us a better team that signed elsewhere. There really isn’t a spot on the roster we couldn’t have improved in free agency.
Not saying what they did was right or wrong, but to keep with the Rome analogy... I bet they could have built Rome faster than they did, but instead opted to put more time into things to make a better city.

Cap space rolls over to future seasons if unused. It was a really weak FA class with how the cap jumped up so much and teams could retain guys. Free agency in general is getting worse and worse with the cap growth outpacing player salary growth and teams using void years and other avenues of pushing money back.

I think they viewed this roster as being so far off from what they want it to be, that they aren't in any sort of rush. They'll fill the roster out with a cheap 4/10 player vs. spending huge money for a 6/10. But if an 8/10 like Ridley or a 9.5/10 like Aiyuk comes available, they seem willing to spend that big money. At this point, I think they view the team as so bad that there's no need to overpay for marginal stop gap improvement. Just get by with the cheaper options for now and keep on the lookout for the guys they deem actually worth spending money on.
 
Seems like a real case of no leverage for Aiyuk. He's basically declared he only likes 1 team (Pittsburgh) meaning SF can make huge demands in trade compensation from that team, and also means Pittsburgh doesn't need to pay him particularly well as they have no competition. It also doesn't really push SF to sign him themselves, as they could simply franchise tag him the next two years for cheaper than a new deal would be and it's year-to-year, so if he somehow falls off after this year or next year, they can choose not to tag him the following year.
 
Not sure what Russini's source was but FWIW:


Aiyuk does not have a NTC as far as I know but he certainly can tell the Pats he will not re-sign here after the trade...basically making the Pats fork over all that money for a rental. Can't blame the team for walking away from that scenario.

Keep the rebuild going, be patient and eventually top players will want to play here again.
 
Don't worry Andy. You will get to watch Bill on his fantasy football podcast or whatever it is instead of the Patriots.
People are still butthurt that BB is gone? Lol

.429 post Brady including 4-13 last season. Maybe they'll miss that but I don't.
 
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Don't worry Andy. You will get to watch Bill on his fantasy football podcast or whatever it is instead of the Patriots.
I’ll take that as you agree with the football comments I posted because all you have to come back with is silly childish stuff. If that’s the way you want to act just let me know and I’ll put you in ignore. I have no interest in engaging in your antics
 
Not saying what they did was right or wrong, but to keep with the Rome analogy... I bet they could have built Rome faster than they did, but instead opted to put more time into things to make a better city.

Cap space rolls over to future seasons if unused. It was a really weak FA class with how the cap jumped up so much and teams could retain guys. Free agency in general is getting worse and worse with the cap growth outpacing player salary growth and teams using void years and other avenues of pushing money back.

I think they viewed this roster as being so far off from what they want it to be, that they aren't in any sort of rush. They'll fill the roster out with a cheap 4/10 player vs. spending huge money for a 6/10. But if an 8/10 like Ridley or a 9.5/10 like Aiyuk comes available, they seem willing to spend that big money. At this point, I think they view the team as so bad that there's no need to overpay for marginal stop gap improvement. Just get by with the cheaper options for now and keep on the lookout for the guys they deem actually worth spending money on.
Why would you think they will spend in it the future if they didn’t spend it now?
They literally had as many or more needs than any team and there isn’t a spot on the field they clearly or significantly improved. Had they used the resources they had and it wasn’t enough then you can’t do it all at once would apply, but they pretty much did nothing.

If your conclusion is they gave up on this season I agree but they didn’t have to.
 
People are still butthurt that BB is gone? Lol

.429 post Brady including 3-14 last season. Maybe they'll miss that but I don't.
No people who are wrong can’t admit it so they bring bb up.
 
I’ll take that as you agree with the football comments I posted because all you have to come back with is silly childish stuff. If that’s the way you want to act just let me know and I’ll put you in ignore. I have no interest in engaging in your antics
You haven't done anything but complain without offering anything specific you would have done differently. But if you actually made a point then you wouldn't be the Andy we all know.
 
Why would you think they will spend in it the future if they didn’t spend it now?
They literally had as many or more needs than any team and there isn’t a spot on the field they clearly or significantly improved. Had they used the resources they had and it wasn’t enough then you can’t do it all at once would apply, but they pretty much did nothing.

If your conclusion is they gave up on this season I agree but they didn’t have to.
Well the main reason is that the rules dictate they spend a certain % of cap over a multi year period. I don't recall the exact amounts but they're actually prohibited from not spending money to this extent. They're going to HAVE to spend it in the future, a good chunk at least.

But beyond that, they made what I consider to be pretty serious runs at Ridley and Aiyuk financially. So it seems to me they're more concerned with significant improvement than marginal. This really isn't that uncommon though. There's always a few teams that start the offseason with some stupid amount of cap space like we're going to next year and usually it's because they roll over a ton. This isn't unusual for a terrible team to do this.

I really didn't like the WR options other than who they went for - Ridley and Aiyuk. There were some other good players, but all in the Kendrick Bourne caliber. For a team that isn't realistically going to be good this year, I don't mind not cluttering the depth chart with a bunch of those types. Darnell Mooney was a guy I've always liked and think maybe I'd have taken a chance on, but I imagine he'd have had us pretty low on his list so we'd had to pay a steeper price than he got from ATL. So I get it. Same for any WR really. I think they made the right move keeping Bourne for stability, going with a low cost guy that fell through the cracks like Osborn, and then young guys. They wisely made runs at Ridley and Aiyuk, but those guys didn't want to be here.

At OT, I never liked Tyron Smith. He's a short term, injury prone guy. He doesn't make sense for a team like us. We need stability and reliability. If he comes in and gets hurt we're in the same spot we are now. Jonah Williams made sense to me as a stop gap RT, but the truth is he's probably someone we'd all want replaced in a year or two anyway and he got a lot of money for that. I probably would have still bit the bullet and overpaid just to have some semblance of NFL caliber talent, so that's my biggest criticism.

I really didn't think much of the offensive FA class this year. I thought there were some really intriguing options on defense. I'd like to have seen them being more aggressive on that side of the ball, because that's where the good options were. But, I'm also ok with rolling the cap space to try and make bigger offers to the offensive players that spring lose too. Because we'll need to overpay to land guys.

At the end of the day, it's going to be a multi year effort to rebuild. I think even you'd acknowledge that. So I just don't want to get caught up in evaluating a multi year plan after year 1. That's not fair.
 
You haven't done anything but complain without offering anything specific you would have done differently. But if you actually made a point then you wouldn't be the Andy we all know.
I’ve explained exactly what they haven’t done and should. Since you are not interested in an honest discussion I’ll choose the ignore option.
 
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