Patriots Rumor Patriots potentially trading for Aiyuk (Update - Patriots Out of the Running)

[PatsFan2]

Pop is gonna surprise us a lot this year and be the release valve .. let's have patience . And who knows we get lucky like GB and all 3 - baker, Polk and Thornton play like studs. Let's wait out this year . Anyways we are not making the post season. It's time for chaffing and finding the grain.

Mayo says "Hold my Beer."

 

[neuronet]

honestly everything I’ve seen about Aiyuk recently I’m glad he’s not coming here.
Going to Was training camp and shooting his way out of SF.
Wait til he gets that money.
I think we dodged one.

This is the deciding factor for me:

Brandon Aiyuk reportedly had no interest in going to the Patriots amid trade talks

Brandon Aiyuk reportedly had a large offer from the Patriots.

sports.yahoo.com

F him

 

[PatsFan2]

This is the deciding factor for me:

Brandon Aiyuk reportedly had no interest in going to the Patriots amid trade talks

Brandon Aiyuk reportedly had a large offer from the Patriots.

sports.yahoo.com

F him

Can't Blame him though going from the First Offense to the Worse Offense statistically is a significant drop off. Aiyuk is a real Human being it not all about the $$$$$$ for him gotta call it like it is.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

I don't think anyone had eyes for Ridley/Aiyuk/etc with the illusions that it'd make us division winners or even elevate us above being one of the worst teams in the NFL. I think the goal of acquiring them is exactly what you're saying we should do - build a team.

Ridley and Aiyuk are both considered among the best route runners in the NFL. You can have all the coaching you want, but there's no better teacher for a young player than a proven vet doing it at a high level in the trenches with them to show them the ropes.

Also, we have a young QB who's considered a developmental project. Having him try to find his footing at the NFL while throwing to receivers trying to find theirs seems... less than ideal. If you couple supplement those young guys with a proven, reliable option at the top... that sounds better.

Clearly Wolf agrees with you because he has tried to bring in an established player. I am encouraged that he has the discipline to walk away when it is clear that cost outweighs the benefits. Bourne is our best hope currently on the roster. I don't see a veteran worth releasing one of the young guns will be available via waivers.

 

[signbabybrady]

They went from a 16-0 team to an 11-5 team that couldn't win their division without the QB. Bill Belichick had one of the most stacked teams of his career that would have been Super Bowl favorites to on the outside looking in.

The 3-1 came with a shutout loss the Bills who Brady later kicked the **** out of. Brady came back and went 14-1 the rest of the way. Without the suspension that was a possible 15-1 team. And who knows, if they were undefeated going into the Seattle game, they might have had a bigger fire under their ass.

Following Brady they never won a playoff game and went 29-38 over 4 seasons.

I guess these didn't actually happen:

 

[Hugepatsfan]

Pop is gonna surprise us a lot this year and be the release valve .. let's have patience . And who knows we get lucky like GB and all 3 - baker, Polk and Thornton play like studs. Let's wait out this year . Anyways we are not making the post season. It's time for chaffing and finding the grain.

Acquiring Aiyuk as an outside WR doesn't prevent Pop from being a release valve in the slot. I've given up on Thornton, but I like what I see/read about from Polk and Baker. Wanting to acquire Aiyuk isn't an indictment on them.

You mention the Packers. They got strong play/development out of 4 guys last year in Reed/Doubs/Watson/Wicks. Why can't we have gotten strong play production out of 4 guys if we acquired Aiyuk? It'd be him, Polk, Baker and Pop. I wasn't clamoring for him to get snaps over the young guys. It's the Osborn/Bourne snaps I wanted to give him. Those vets are going to get their share of snaps even while developing the young guys because that's how a team works - you have to play the vets that deserve to because if you just blindly play youth over them then you lose the locker room. So why would it have been a bad thing if instead of stop gap run of the mill vets who will be gone in a year or two it was a top 10 WR in his prime that was getting those snaps?

I just totally and completely reject this nonsensical idea that acquiring a proven #1 WR like Aiyuk and developing the young guys is an either-or situations. That's absurdity.

 

[lancerman]

I guess these didn't actually happen:

Yeah. Thank Tom Brady for that

 

[Ring 6]

And in 2002 it was called defensive coaching assistant, at least that was josh's title. It wasnt until 2012 like i said that it became just a more generic coaching assistant. Honestly, thats what you got out of my post? Just a tiny detail to quibble over? How about adding something useful to the discussion.

I corrected a misstatement. There wasn’t anything else in there that needed comment. You laid it all out.

 

[Ring 6]

We don't seem to be learning that. We seem to be learning that Brady showed he's the same guy somewhere else with that coach. Meanwhile when Brady leaves, that coach looks a lot like guy he used to be when he was in Cleveland. Kraft's franchise turned around and was substantially better when he got involved with the team from the prior years even before Bill became coach. The luck ended when Kraft picked Bill over Brady and effectively gave him cart blanc and hung he hung himself with all the rope.

31 other teams aren't ****ing stupid. They see it to and didn't want to touch him. He's currently off rebranding himself to damage control on tv so he can get another job.

You should be seeing that but you are blinded.

 

[Clonamery]

Yeah. Thank Tom Brady for that

Group effort dingus.

 

[PatsFan2]

Could end up being some real Godfather **** from Shanahan. Pittsburgh's offer logically gets lowered so SF backs out and says sucks to be you Aiyuk, you gotta play here this year now. Should've taken the offers on the table. Then he sucks it up and plays out the year to hit free agency, only to get franchise tagged next year.

They won't Tag him with Pearsall and Cowing going into year two in 2025. They have other guys to re-up.

 

[Ring 6]

They didn't choose not to spend money. They just offered 30 million a year and got denied. If they want to spend money just to spend it, they could waste it all giving everyone extensions this year. It's just not a smart move.

You got 4-13 because of the GOAT. The GOAT QB left because he couldn't exist with with the GOAT. The GOAT pissed off Gronk and got him to stay away from football a year and then force his way out a year later to run to the QB. The GOAT chose to pick up Jonnu Smith. The GOAT chose to sit on his hands and pick Mac Jones. The GOAT chose to walk into 2020 with pants down and scramble for Cam Newton last minute. The GOAT never made a serious play for a WR in the better part of a decade.

I get it, you don't want to deal with the fact that Belichick objectively showed that without Brady he's pretty close to the exact same guy he used to be before Brady that nobody really felt was anything special. But the results don't lie. Bill has coached 11 full years without Brady. His resumes with and without him speak for themselves.

Of course they chose not to spend money there is 43,000,000 left on the table. Not 43,000,000 of contract 43,000,000 of cap hits. There could be at least 6-8 new starters better than the player we will be playing on the roster with that money.

As for the rest, I’m not interested in your whining and ignorant commentary.

 

[lancerman]

Group effort dingus.

The group became losers once Brady left

 

[Clonamery]

The group became losers once Brady left

So did Tampa...oh, wait.

 

[lancerman]

Of course they chose not to spend money there is 43,000,000 left on the table. Not 43,000,000 of contract 43,000,000 of cap hits. There could be at least 6-8 new starters better than the player we will be playing on the roster with that money.

As for the rest, I’m not interested in your whining and ignorant commentary.

No **** because you can't dispute facts. Belichick has a decade resume without Brady that writes the book on what he is when he doesn't have the GOAT's coattails.

They offered 30 million and someone didn't take it. Are you under the impression they should just spend money just to spend it? You think that's a sound strategy. You just want a scapegoat. Mayo's been the coach for 6 months and you are blaming him. Kraft had a team go into the SB before Bill was ever the HC and was there for the whole run himself. You are just desperate to absolve Bill of any blame in the situation he had the most impact on.

The rest of the league see's it and didn't want to touch him. It's funny that now that he's gone after all the "it's Bill's program and system" didn't work out when the star player left that the finger pointing is beginning. Funny how that works.

 

[sb1]

lol

 

[lancerman]

So did Tampa...oh, wait.

1 season and 1 extra win. Before Brady got there how was Tampa doing? Oh yeah they went from 2008 to 2019 with ZERO playoff appearances. Brady goes there and they haven't missed the playoffs since. Weird how things turn out

 

[Clonamery]

Clearly Wolf agrees with you because he has tried to bring in an established player. I am encouraged that he has the discipline to walk away when it is clear that cost outweighs the benefits. Bourne is our best hope currently on the roster. I don't see a veteran worth releasing one of the young guns will be available via waivers.

Good thing that reporter had that Pittsburgh story because who knows how long they would have hung around.

 

[Clonamery]

1 season and 1 extra win. Before Brady got there how was Tampa doing? Oh yeah they went from 2008 to 2019 with ZERO playoff appearances. Brady goes there and they haven't missed the playoffs since. Weird how things turn out

I like my team to win, not one player. There's a forum for things like you.

 

[Ring 6]

The Pats needed to rebuild, but they didn't. They desperately needed offensive talent last year and Belichick drafts almost exclusively defensive players and went into the season relying on Mac Jones to raise the talent around him like he used to ask of Brady.

I think best way is try to get a QB who can be your franchise QB and build around him and do everything possible to put him in a position to succeed. You know like make the special teams coach the QB coach even though he knows nothing about being a QB coach, your DC into your OC, give your QB a bunch of mediocre 2s and 3s to work with, and one of the worst offensive lines in the league. You know the stuff that even the worst starting QBs could thrive on.

But seriously, this Patriots' team is at least trying to put Maye in a position to succeed. They are trying to get him a legitimate #1 WR. They drafted three offensive targets for him. The only place they totally failed thus far is to improve the o-line enough. But a lot of that was out of their control since there were no LTs on the market except one underachiever they wanted to get rid of and a veteran who is in his last year of his career who wanted to go to a team he might have a shot to win.

They needed to add talent last year but they don’t this year? They didn’t have a lot of cap room last year and had a record amount this year.
They drafted a wr #2 in 2022, drafted another last year, brought in a veteran with a track record of production, brought in a receiving TE, brought in a veteran RB2, drafted 3 OL after drafting another #1 in 2022.
That’s a lot more than they did this year.

“Trying to get” does t really cut it. But they “tried to get” Hopkins last year.

They had 100 million in cap space and I cannot name a single position they upgraded with it compared to last year.