Patriots Rumor Patriots potentially trading for Aiyuk (Update - Patriots Out of the Running)

[pazrul72]

Coaching assistants were always part of the organization. Josh McDaniel started in that role.

And in 2002 it was called defensive coaching assistant, at least that was josh's title. It wasnt until 2012 like i said that it became just a more generic coaching assistant. Honestly, thats what you got out of my post? Just a tiny detail to quibble over? How about adding something useful to the discussion.

 

[Real fan 02]

The other route is the 49er/Dolphins route. Somehow hit on draft picks and trades for high end offensive talent and get an average QB.
The issue with that, as 49ers and Dolphins are now finding out is instead of paying 2 top guys, 1 being a QB, you need to pay 4 or 5 guys top dollar and you just can't afford to keep them together for as many years as just 1 QB can be locked up. Your window is much smaller without a top 5 NFL QB

Unless you have the 49ers or Dolphins skill players, you need a good QB, not just solid.

Matt Cassell took a 16-0 team, lost 5 games and missed the playoffs.
In 2016 they got SHUT OUT at home to a weak Buffalo team, just because of Brissett playing QB with a top offense.

According to schefter, patriots didn't like the vive they were getting from ayuiks camp. So then decided to back out and just put forth faith in the young guys notably polk and baker. I've already moved on from from ayuik. I think we as fans pretty much know who's making the team and who's not as this point.

 

[Real fan 02]

The player didn't want to come here. You can't help that.

The GOAT coach has not won a single playoff game in 5 years. The GOAT coach has had one winning season in 4 years. Nobody else in the league wanted the "GOAT". If anything we probably sent the wrong GOAT packing 5 years ago and should have gotten rid of this one back then instead of waiting.

Yeah you are right... it is a mess. The issue is you are upset that they got rid of the guy who had the most control in creating this mess and in less than 6 months are scapegoating the new guy who is tasked with fixing it.

Great post. Gotta hand it to you!

 

[Real fan 02]

I'm not ignoring it I just don't like playing Rochambeau for fun.

On positives.. I really like what I think polk and baker can become or this offense. It appears barring injury Brissett is the starter. I thought about this... could be be the 2017 Jaguars? A dam good Defense and excellent running game. That team made it to the AFCCG with borttles at QB.

 

[lancerman]

I think a lot of people are coping with missing out on guys by imagining that Maye is going to come in and show a ton of potential along with other young guys (mostly at WR) and next year we're going to be seen as some bright up and coming team that players see as a good destination.

I'm skeptical it's going to be that easy. The OT position is in shambles right now. It's hard to imagine our rookie WRs or the small slot we took last year who looked ok but nothing special are going to be instant STUDS this year even if they do show out well so it's unlikely that we have a quality top of the depth chart at WR. We missed out on the more notable offensive play caller candidates and have someone with limited experience in the role.

Maye is in a terrible position to succeed this year. We haven't really given him anything that can lead anyone to realistically think he's in position to play well this year. I'd be shocked if he's able to do anything this year to make himself look like an attractive option to play with next year for vets. I'm sure there will be progress on film and encouraging signs for people who put the work in to break it down, but my guess is the surface level results will be so poor that players around the league still shy away.

I think giving him a #1 WR would have pushed everyone down the depth chart would have at least given him a chance to make enough splash plays and show encouraging signs that players around the league could see him as a guy with potential and us as a team that could realistically turn it around. With what we have now, I think we'll still be looked at as purgatory around the league this time next year.

The reality is the Patriots were in the worst situation possible this year.

1. We had been starved of a quality WR for years and were in position to get the best WR draft prospect in many years and had to settle for a project QB. So we passed up about as much of a sure thing upgrade at a huge position of need for a gamble because we didn't develop our prior QB

2. We had a ton of cap in a year where the cap increased and teams were able to keep players from hitting free agency when they otherwise would have.

The two biggest advantages the Patriots had this year were significantly undercut by the situation we were in. We weren't high enough to get the best QB prospects but we were high enough that we couldn't pass up a QB for the WR who was a more sure thing. We didn't get to use our cap advantage because the market dried up.

 

[Sicilian]

This is year one of the rebuild. Not year five. You can't judge the new power structure for the decisions made by the previous one. You can only judge them on what they do going forward. We didn't blame Bill Belichick for any team building mistakes made by Grier while Pete Carroll was the coach. We shouldn't do the same for Wolf/Mayo.

As for Aiyuk, as I said before, I'd take him here if they could get him 100%. But he's not Justin Jefferson, and you don't overextend for a guy like him if his heart is in another place. Plenty of snaps now for Polk/Baker/Douglas.

 

[Love The Drake]

On positives.. I really like what I think polk and baker can become or this offense. It appears barring injury Brissett is the starter. I thought about this... could be be the 2017 Jaguars? A dam good Defense and excellent running game. That team made it to the AFCCG with borttles at QB.

Except the NFL has changed drastically in 7 years.
Without a air raid offense you aren’t advancing.

 

[Love The Drake]

The reality is the Patriots were in the worst situation possible this year.

1. We had been starved of a quality WR for years and were in position to get the best WR draft prospect in many years and had to settle for a project QB. So we passed up about as much of a sure thing upgrade at a huge position of need for a gamble because we didn't develop our prior QB

2. We had a ton of cap in a year where the cap increased and teams were able to keep players from hitting free agency when they otherwise would have.

The two biggest advantages the Patriots had this year were significantly undercut by the situation we were in. We weren't high enough to get the best QB prospects but we were high enough that we couldn't pass up a QB for the WR who was a more sure thing. We didn't get to use our cap advantage because the market dried up.

You believe Daniel’s, Williams will be better players than Maye?
I honestly don’t, I think this kid will work hard we already knew it was going to be a process.

 

[lancerman]

Rebuild should have started the day Brady walked out the door but BB decided differently.

Yes we would have sucked big time that season but there were no fans in attendance to see that. That was the year to do it.

I will still maintain that the worst thing that happened to the Patriots was in 2020 when the Patriots started 2-5 and looked like they could get a top pick and be in the Trevor Lawrence sweepstakes, and then got the benefit of the Jets crapping all over themselves to lose a close game then lucking into playing the Ravens in a Monsoon so that people could get fooled into thinking we could turn that **** sandwitch around.

That cost us either

1. Trevor Lawrence
2. Ja'Marr Chae
3. Penei Sewell.

Either one of those players would have solved a huge problem on offense that we still have today.

 

[lancerman]

You believe Daniel’s, Williams will be better players than Maye?
I honestly don’t, I think this kid will work hard we already knew it was going to be a process.

I don't know, but Williams will have a far better ceiling and chance than Maye and MHJ was an overall more safe pick. Maye was good enough that we had to take him, but he was also not a slam dunk.

 

[lancerman]

I don't see it only that way.

They went 11-5 during QB instability following injury.

They went 3-1 during QB instability following suspension.

They were .500 during some serious QB instability following Brady.

It wasn't until the OL, WRs, and QB fell off completely along with losing 2 of their best defensive players before they bottomed out with just 4 wins last year.

They went from a 16-0 team to an 11-5 team that couldn't win their division without the QB. Bill Belichick had one of the most stacked teams of his career that would have been Super Bowl favorites to on the outside looking in.

The 3-1 came with a shutout loss the Bills who Brady later kicked the **** out of. Brady came back and went 14-1 the rest of the way. Without the suspension that was a possible 15-1 team. And who knows, if they were undefeated going into the Seattle game, they might have had a bigger fire under their ass.

Following Brady they never won a playoff game and went 29-38 over 4 seasons.

 

[sb1]

They went from a 16-0 team to an 11-5 team that couldn't win their division without the QB. Bill Belichick had one of the most stacked teams of his career that would have been Super Bowl favorites to on the outside looking in.

The 3-1 came with a shutout loss the Bills who Brady later kicked the **** out of. Brady came back and went 14-1 the rest of the way. Without the suspension that was a possible 15-1 team. And who knows, if they were undefeated going into the Seattle game, they might have had a bigger fire under their ass.

Following Brady they never won a playoff game and went 29-38 over 4 seasons.

And if the 3-14 Jaguars didn't somehow upset the Miami Dolphins they would have had no playoff appearances either.

 

[Fuzz]

I will still maintain that the worst thing that happened to the Patriots was in 2020 when the Patriots started 2-5 and looked like they could get a top pick and be in the Trevor Lawrence sweepstakes, and then got the benefit of the Jets crapping all over themselves to lose a close game then lucking into playing the Ravens in a Monsoon so that people could get fooled into thinking we could turn that **** sandwitch around.

That cost us either

1. Trevor Lawrence
2. Ja'Marr Chae
3. Penei Sewell.

Either one of those players would have solved a huge problem on offense that we still have today.

Yeah, how dare they try to win when they could have simply given up and been in the ideal situation the Jaguars are in right now with Trevor Lawrence at QB? The jags had it right.

Btw, at 2-5 they were already out of the Trevor Lawrence sweepstakes as the Jags finished 1-15.

 

[sb1]

This reads like confirmation that Aiyuk and agent were just trying to use the Pats as leverage to get a better deal elsewhere.

A deal was never happening here.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

I truly hope this is it. I was thinking of something.. the 2017 jags had an elite defense and a offense predicated off running the ball. They went to the AFC Championship game. That formula can work. Think of this.. if a team can run the ball it opens up the entire offense. It leads to 3rd and shorts and allows the offense to stay to in rhythm. It's looking like Brissett will be the starter. If he can just minimize mistakes, hit open WRs and allow rham and Gibson to run the rock it will allow the defense to rest and they will be in every game this season.

As long as the offense does not turn the ball over and gets a few first downs, the games should be reasonably close. The opposition had the benefit of a ton of points off turnovers. Almost every game was three and out, three and out, omg the other team is ahead time for an indefensible turnover. Assuming that Maye is not a disaster while getting back to being competitive and forcing the other team to win the game vs giving it away will be a major step in the right direction.

 

[TheRainMaker]

I truly hope this is it. I was thinking of something.. the 2017 jags had an elite defense and a offense predicated off running the ball. They went to the AFC Championship game. That formula can work. Think of this.. if a team can run the ball it opens up the entire offense. It leads to 3rd and shorts and allows the offense to stay to in rhythm. It's looking like Brissett will be the starter. If he can just minimize mistakes, hit open WRs and allow rham and Gibson to run the rock it will allow the defense to rest and they will be in every game this season.

The Jags were a competent QB away from burying the Pats that day in the AFCCG. Their defense was getting under their skin and the Pats only came back because the Jags offense was putrid. I've been saying this before, but no defense in today's game can be the focal point of your team. You have to have an offense to compliment them or they will eventually crack like the Jaguars did.

Teams like the 2000 Ravens, 2002 Bucs and the 2015 Broncos are few and far between where an elite defense carries a putrid offense.

 

[sb1]

Yeah, how dare they try to win when they could have simply given up and been in the ideal situation the Jaguars are in right now with Trevor Lawrence at QB? The jags had it right.

Btw, at 2-5 they were already out of the Trevor Lawrence sweepstakes as the Jags finished 1-15.

Micah Parsons would have looked awesome in a Pats uniform.

 

[Ross12]

Aiyuk may have over played his hand if the reports are true that we offered him the highest contract and San Fran was happy with the compensation (Picks, Player etc). Now, the steelers are the only team interested in him. They can low ball both San Fran in regards to compensation and Aiyuks new contract. If they can't strike a deal, Aiyuk is left playing this year under his current contract and San Fran could still franchise him in 2025/2026.

Could end up being some real Godfather **** from Shanahan. Pittsburgh's offer logically gets lowered so SF backs out and says sucks to be you Aiyuk, you gotta play here this year now. Should've taken the offers on the table. Then he sucks it up and plays out the year to hit free agency, only to get franchise tagged next year.

 

[Ring 6]

No. We are in the first year of a rebuild. New head coach. New GM. New QB.

The reason why Belichick isn't here anymore is because he refused to rebuild. He wanted to just keep going business as usual except without the greatest QB of all time. Belichick never tried to rebuild. In fact, he decided to take the approach that Mac Jones would elevate the downright mediocre talent around him with a QB coach and OC who had no experience at the positions they were in charge of running.

Every time you start over is a new rebuild. Unfortunately, Belichick delayed the post Brady rebuild because he wanted to do things his way and not the best ways for the team or what is conducive to today's NFL.

So we were good the last 4 years and didn’t need to rebuild after the GOAT left?

Belichick must have done something to rebuild because pretty much all they did this off season was resign his players.

So you think the best way to build a franchise is to purposely not try to put the best team on the field, until some point in the future where then you will use years of unspent cap space and try to bring in half a team by free agency?
That doesn’t work.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

The Jags were a competent QB away from burying the Pats that day in the AFCCG. Their defense was getting under their skin and the Pats only came back because the Jags offense was putrid. I've been saying this before, but no defense in today's game can be the focal point of your team. You have to have an offense to compliment them or they will eventually crack like the Jaguars did.

Teams like the 2000 Ravens, 2002 Bucs and the 2015 Broncos are few and far between where an elite defense carries a putrid offense.

No argument with your points, they are spot on. It will take time for the offense to gel enough to be able to win games. I will be happy if next year the offense is not so bad that it loses games on its own. Best case is that the offense starts to show at the end of the year which is probably too late for a playoff spot. We also have to account for a game not won due to coaching decisions. Similarly as long as Mayo learns from the experience the team will be much better at this time next year.