Patriots Rumor Patriots potentially trading for Aiyuk (Update - Patriots Out of the Running)

[upstater1]

Sense at last. A rebuild takes time. Yes we have needs but those needs will be addressed, but it ain't going to happen over night, just enjoy the ride.

I guess I shouldn't get so worked up because 20 years of winning was sure to derange any fanbase. That's half a lifetime for most current fans. And if they're 40 years old now, they couldn't much remember seasons earlier than when they were 10 anyway. This means all they know is Parcells, Carroll and Belichick.

 

[Wozzy]

To be fair, Tyreek was a 5th only because of character issues, or else he would have stayed at OK State and been a 1st round pick.

That and he was 5’8” 185 pounds… Stefon Diggs was also a 5th rounder. I can cite a hundred guys where we’re late round draft picks or UDFA’s.

JC Jackson got a 82.5 million dollar contract, he was vastly overrated… it got the Chargers brain trust fired. That’s what happens when you pay merely “good” players like superstars. The Chargers even have a franchise QB, they had no excuses.

 

[PatsFan2]

BB apologist alert.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

OPTION ONE
Pay out a 2nd and a 4 year $30 AAV contract starting in 2024.

OPTION TWO
Pay out a 2nd and a 3 year $30 AAV starting in 2025.

This has either WR having a contract through the 2027 season.
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I strongly prefer the 2025 option.

We get to develop our three kids for a year.

Also, we have $30M of cap space to use on something else. Consider that spread over 2025-2027. That a $10 AAV player.

I get your message here. But you're ignoring a key variable... what if Option 2 declines to sign with us just like our multiple attempts at Option 1 have (Ridley, Aiyuk). You can't take that part for granted. Especially because you seem to be basing it on the idea that "the kids" will develop and make this a more attractive place to play despite the fact that NOT having better players around them is creating a tougher environment for them to develop in.

Have to evaluate players as they become available and decide to pursue or not. You can't control who becomes available or bank on someone down the line. You always have to pursue things (or not pursue) them as they happen.

 

[Rob0729]

You underrate the overall talent of the league if you think signing run of the mill vets to short term stop gap deals is going to make you a wild card team. You also need to have some level of respectability in place to develop guys.

If you want a young LB to work on filling gaps in his run defense, you want some level of respectability in front of him on the DL. But if the DL is getting blown up on every play and OL are pouring into him, it's going to be an aimless pursuit and human nature says that player will get discouraged. It's going to be hopeless taking on the blocks and he might revert to trying to avoid them because it feels like a better shot of succeeding.

If you're down 3 TDs every game and the team spends the 2nd half running the clock out on you, there are a lot of passing schemes and route concepts that your secondary isn't going to get game experience against.

If you're a pass rusher and you never have a shot at getting a sack because the secondary can't cover for even 2 seconds then eventually that guy is going to start getting antsy and trying to speed up his rush, probably ignoring his run fits and leave the team susceptible to play action while building bad habits.

I could keep going. You need to put guys in realistic positions for them to grow. Seeing success and the fruits of your labor is part of development and you don't get the fair chance at that if the team doesn't fill in the gaps with respectable NFL talent around you.

Great! But They have pass rushers. They have Judon. They have Uche. They Have Bentley. They have Barmore (although he could miss much of the season, but we didn't know that during free agency). They have Wise. Their defense isn't much of an issue. They could upgraded the safety position, but there aren't many holes in this defense. The defense stopped this team from going 0-17 or 1-16 last year. And they spent most of their money this offseason keeping their good young defense together. Plus there is hope that Gonzalez, Keion White, and Mapu make bigger impacts this year in year 2. Gonzalez and Judon returning should be a significant upgrade to the defense without adding a single player.

If the Pats had significant holes on defense, then they should have been more aggressive in free agency. But what good is it to spend more money on positions that they need a lot of help on?

 

[signbabybrady]

BB apologist alert.

BB hater Alert

 

[Toofy]

We are not a prime destination. That's fine. Go on with the rebuild and with chips in shoulder . Make sure we reward our own players . I see that happening now . Start building the culture from within . Once we start winning and the culture is set, free agents would want to come here. Maybe not this year or next but who knows in 2026 we might be a prime contender.

Game plan for 25 and 26 by building from within and have players hit prime form for 25 and 26.

 

[Real fan 02]

How about you admit you were wrong about Lynch hiring Shanahan first: Here copy/paste this “I was wrong.”

Then provide us some evidence BB hoarded all the money for coaches. Actual proof.

I think it’s far more likely Bill knew his relationship with Jonathan was deteriorating quickly and he didn’t want to hire a bunch of new people and uproot their lives only to fire them next year when he left. But you have some evidence… at least you said you did?

Your inability to admit wrong takes is ok... we all know... Lynch was ALREADY with organization in a different role.. he them was promoted. Shanny was then hired by Lynch... shanny controls the 53 Lynch controls the 90... Lynch was given an extension in 2020...

 

[Real fan 02]

That and he was 5’8” 185 pounds… Stefon Diggs was also a 5th rounder. I can cite a hundred guys where we’re late round draft picks or UDFA’s.

JC Jackson got a 82.5 million dollar contract, he was vastly overrated… it got the Chargers brain trust fired. That’s what happens when you pay merely “good” players like superstars. The Chargers even have a franchise QB, they had no excuses.

No arguments there JC was vastly overrated. I never believed in him as a shut down CB

 

[Real fan 02]

BB hater Alert

Circa 2019... no rings since!

 

[Joey007]

Let him go rot with a has been Russell Wilson and a bum Justin Fields. Or Deshaun Watson who hasn’t been worth a damn in years.

I think that’s what irritates me. Dude probably thinks Russell Wilson is an upgrade

 

[Hugepatsfan]

I think a lot of people are coping with missing out on guys by imagining that Maye is going to come in and show a ton of potential along with other young guys (mostly at WR) and next year we're going to be seen as some bright up and coming team that players see as a good destination.

I'm skeptical it's going to be that easy. The OT position is in shambles right now. It's hard to imagine our rookie WRs or the small slot we took last year who looked ok but nothing special are going to be instant STUDS this year even if they do show out well so it's unlikely that we have a quality top of the depth chart at WR. We missed out on the more notable offensive play caller candidates and have someone with limited experience in the role.

Maye is in a terrible position to succeed this year. We haven't really given him anything that can lead anyone to realistically think he's in position to play well this year. I'd be shocked if he's able to do anything this year to make himself look like an attractive option to play with next year for vets. I'm sure there will be progress on film and encouraging signs for people who put the work in to break it down, but my guess is the surface level results will be so poor that players around the league still shy away.

I think giving him a #1 WR would have pushed everyone down the depth chart would have at least given him a chance to make enough splash plays and show encouraging signs that players around the league could see him as a guy with potential and us as a team that could realistically turn it around. With what we have now, I think we'll still be looked at as purgatory around the league this time next year.

 

[Real fan 02]

BB hater Alert

 

[signbabybrady]

Oh I agree. I was just eluding to the fact about that bills staff was shortened over time. Josh was an OC, OC and DC salaries at the NFL level are 1 million and up. Steven B was making 2.5.. as a DC.

But was it actually shortened?

How many Coaches were on Staff in 2000?

Since that was early and maybe an indicator of some holdovers on staff of also be interested in some numbers along the way.

How many Coaches were on Staff in 2005 when we transitioned from Romeo and Weiss?

Again how many were on Staff in 09 after Josh left?

How many were on Staff in 14 when the second run started?

How many were on Staff for Cams year?

How many were on Staff for Macs first year?

Lastly how many were on Staff for each of Bill's last 2 years?

If you are right this should be an obvious and noticeable decrease in numbers?

 

[signbabybrady]

Don't be a hater you're better than that

 

[PatsFan2]

No arguments there JC was vastly overrated. I never believed in him as a shut down CB.

I don't think any here did he was a product of the system have Buffalo punted yet??

 

[PatsFan2]

Oh I agree. I was just eluding to the fact about that bills staff was shortened over time. Josh was an OC, OC and DC salaries at the NFL level are 1 million and up. Steven B was making 2.5.. as a DC.

Wow tell me more...

 

[Real fan 02]

But was it actually shortened?

How many Coaches were on Staff in 2000?

Since that was early and maybe an indicator of some holdovers on staff of also be interested in some numbers along the way.

How many Coaches were on Staff in 2005 when we transitioned from Romeo and Weiss?

Again how many were on Staff in 09 after Josh left?

How many were on Staff in 14 when the second run started?

How many were on Staff for Cams year?

How many were on Staff for Macs first year?

Lastly how many were on Staff for each of Bill's last 2 years?

If you are right this should be an obvious and noticeable decrease in numbers?

Unlike wozzy.. when I don't have the answer I won't pretend. Lol wozzy knows I like him! Well I would really have to research from those years to really get bills staff numbers. I was just mentioning from reports that over the years bill shortened his staff. It could have been for a multitude of reasons not necessarily negatively.

 

[Thunderhead]

What gives you the impression it's a joke?

Least talented offensive roster in the NFL, zero top end offensive players, worst OL in the league, least star power overall of any roster, nobody wants to player here, all but guaranteed another top 3 draft pick. Need I continue?

 

[signbabybrady]

Unlike wozzy.. when I don't have the answer I won't pretend. Lol wozzy knows I like him! Well I would really have to research from those years to really get bills staff numbers. I was just mentioning from reports that over the years bill shortened his staff. It could have been for a multitude of reasons not necessarily negatively.

I suspect those reports are not very accurate and probably have more to do with several years during each transition that Bill went with unnamed coordinators.

Bottom line is Bill always had a smaller staff compared to his peers but it's not like he axed his staff post Brady just to line his own pockets so I don't even really think there is any point in debating the number of coaches but to me it just came off as criticism for the sake of it so I had to call it out and since no one is going to do the research its point is muted.