Patriots Rumor Patriots potentially trading for Aiyuk (Update - Patriots Out of the Running)

[Rob0729]

Disagree with this. Making 1-2 year deals with veteran players as stop gap measures when you are in a rebuild is exactly what you do. You don’t want to create more holes while you are addressing your more pressing needs, so you sign your veterans to shorter deals that will run out in a year or two, providing cap space down the road to as you keep building the roster. You don’t sign guys like Godchaux to 4-5 year deals, and you don’t create a hole in the middle of your defense when you are focused on other areas of the roster. They will draft his replacement in the next year or two, have them on a rookie deal for 4-5 years, and open up cap space when he leaves in a couple of years.

I disagree, What you are suggesting is recipe to make the Patriots a perennial middle of the road team. Make the Patriots good enough so they can compete for a Wild Card, but consistently give them middle of the round draft picks that rarely produce star players.

I don't get the Patriots' love of Godchaux, but that doesn't mean they should have spent money to make this team a 8-9 win team.

 

[Real fan 02]

Well he didn’t exactly give Bill a “kiss” but you have the right general idea…..

I really think it's linda posting...lol

 

[sb1]

I disagree, What you are suggesting is recipe to make the Patriots a perennial middle of the road team. Make the Patriots good enough so they can compete for a Wild Card, but consistently give them middle of the round draft picks that rarely produce star players.

I don't get the Patriots' love of Godchaux, but that doesn't mean they should have spent money to make this team a 8-9 win team.

The Colts have done this in recent years especially at the QB position and they don't have a ton of wins to show for it.

 

[Real fan 02]

By all reports, the player said he didn't want to play here. Nothing the team can do about that in the short term.

He is/was not a good coach anymore. Time for a change.

Every new coach is the least experienced ever until they aren't.

They spent big time in 2021 how did that turn out?

Welcome to a rebuild.

Thank you my man! I'm soooooo tired of this inexperience BS.. Mayo's been a coach for 7 seasons.. he didn't come out of I want to be a coach university.

 

[Thunderhead]

This franchise devolved into a complete joke so quickly. Maye is literally our only hope.

 

[Wozzy]

And how was their overall passing game when you look at their QB and TE?

Whenever I say “passing game” you always conveniently leave out their tight end who, last time I checked, is part of the passing game. Why is that?

Because you guys vacillate between needing a #1 WR, it’s desperate you have one. Then when someone points out numerous examples of teams winning rings without one you guys add on all these addendums… like a TE or a QB so magical he transcends everything. It’s not logical or accurate. Either you need a #1 WR or you don’t.

Also Aiyuk isn’t a #1 the way JC Jackson wasn’t a #1 CB. He was a very good player made to look better by a great team and situation. You guys act like these WR’s play in a vacuum.

I agree with you that you need a good passing attack and a competent receiver room… but the 2017 Eagles didn’t have a transcendent QB, a #1 WR, a HOF TE and beat a team in the Super Bowl that had two out of three.

There is no hard and fast rule about what a team needs to win it all… other than a great overall team. Aiyuk is overrated, glad he passed on us.

 

[PatsFan2]

Because you guys vacillate between needing a #1 WR, it’s desperate you have one. Then when someone points out numerous examples of teams winning rings without one you guys add on all these addendums… like a TE or a QB so magical he transcends everything. It’s not logical or accurate. Either you need a #1 WR or you don’t.

Also Aiyuk isn’t a #1 the way JC Jackson wasn’t a #1 CB. He was a very good player made to look better by a great team and situation. You guys act like these WR’s play in a vacuum.

I agree with you that you need a good passing attack and a competent receiver room… but the 2017 Eagles didn’t have a transcendent QB, a #1 WR, a HOF TE and beat a team in the Super Bowl that had two out of three.

There is no hard and fast rule about what a team needs to win it all… other than a great overall team. Aiyuk is overrated, glad he passed on us.

Wozzy you seem to get off on comparing a First rounder who still plays like one Aiyuk to JC Jackson who was a Undrafted FA who worked his @ss off no comparison. The latter is NO longer in the League.

 

[Wozzy]

Wozzy you seem to get off on comparing a First rounder who still plays like one Aiyuk to JC Jackson who was a Undrafted FA who worked his @ss off no comparison. The latter is NO longer in the League.

Tom was a 6th rounder, Tyreek a 5th… draft position doesn’t mean sht after the draft. Nothing.

 

[Pape]

i was having dreams of being better than my initial prediction this year... 2-15...

those dreams are now out of the window,

top 2 pick 2025 here we come.

 

[Wozzy]

I really think it's linda posting...lol

How about you admit you were wrong about Lynch hiring Shanahan first: Here copy/paste this “I was wrong.”

Then provide us some evidence BB hoarded all the money for coaches. Actual proof.

I think it’s far more likely Bill knew his relationship with Jonathan was deteriorating quickly and he didn’t want to hire a bunch of new people and uproot their lives only to fire them next year when he left. But you have some evidence… at least you said you did?

 

[PatsFan2]

Tom was a 6th rounder, Tyreek a 5th… draft position doesn’t mean sht after the draft. Nothing.

 

[signbabybrady]

Ok so volin? curran?Andrew Callahan? Karen gurregian, and people in the organization are all wrong?... it's reported in the herald investigation in December 2022. Not my words it's all reported that bills staffers were paid less than HS coaches and many wondered how long they would last. So call it BS but is reported. Furthermore bill had a staff budget..

So Bill and Josh got paid and everyone else got HS salaries? That seems accurate to you?

Bill and Mayo's salary not included do you have any evidence of coaches getting paid more now than in the past? I'd be willing to bet that AVP and Covingtons salary combined probably isn't as much as Josh was making.

 

[Wozzy]

i was having dreams of being better than my initial prediction this year... 2-15...

those dreams are now out of the window,

top 2 pick 2025 here we come.

If they can block they’ll be a lot better than that.

Pray for our young tackles… we need them a lot more than another “good” possession WR.

 

[Love The Drake]

This franchise devolved into a complete joke so quickly. Maye is literally our only hope.

This is is a pretty wild take.
We have a lot of young talent on the team to develop.
For the first time in 3 years I feel good about our OC. WR Coach and O line coach.
We are early on the waiver wire so we will see some rotating faces on the O line for sure.
Joe Judge and Matt Patricia are out of the building, that to me is enough reason to celebrate. Wolf can identify and draft talent.

My only concern is the game planning, toughness and play calling on D taking a step back without Bill in the building.

But having a QB where every pass doesn’t look like a beach ball waiting to land is another reason to pop the cork.

What fans need to realize is what we did with Tom is unprecedented and we shouldn’t expect our team to be in the superbowl hunt every season.
What we should expect is a competent coaching staff a team that doesn’t make the fanbase look foolish cause they don’t know how to run routes or line up properly.
We shouldn’t have to deal with a QB at the butt of everyone’s jokes but that’s what we had and we rectified that with Maye and Milton.
Nobody is making fun of their arms I promise you that.
When I saw Buff in NE, I had great seats and I saw Allen looking like a 99 on madden running around and thru a bunch of 70 rated players.
That was embarrassing I wanted to fight every Bill fan I saw and I was disgusted for the fans to have no pride or fight in them.
I can’t wait to see Maye throw the ball all over the damn field with Zip.

 

[Real fan 02]

This franchise devolved into a complete joke so quickly. Maye is literally our only hope.

What gives you the impression it's a joke?

 

[Hugepatsfan]

I disagree, What you are suggesting is recipe to make the Patriots a perennial middle of the road team. Make the Patriots good enough so they can compete for a Wild Card, but consistently give them middle of the round draft picks that rarely produce star players.

I don't get the Patriots' love of Godchaux, but that doesn't mean they should have spent money to make this team a 8-9 win team.

You underrate the overall talent of the league if you think signing run of the mill vets to short term stop gap deals is going to make you a wild card team. You also need to have some level of respectability in place to develop guys.

If you want a young LB to work on filling gaps in his run defense, you want some level of respectability in front of him on the DL. But if the DL is getting blown up on every play and OL are pouring into him, it's going to be an aimless pursuit and human nature says that player will get discouraged. It's going to be hopeless taking on the blocks and he might revert to trying to avoid them because it feels like a better shot of succeeding.

If you're down 3 TDs every game and the team spends the 2nd half running the clock out on you, there are a lot of passing schemes and route concepts that your secondary isn't going to get game experience against.

If you're a pass rusher and you never have a shot at getting a sack because the secondary can't cover for even 2 seconds then eventually that guy is going to start getting antsy and trying to speed up his rush, probably ignoring his run fits and leave the team susceptible to play action while building bad habits.

I could keep going. You need to put guys in realistic positions for them to grow. Seeing success and the fruits of your labor is part of development and you don't get the fair chance at that if the team doesn't fill in the gaps with respectable NFL talent around you.

 

[Sfpat]

Tom was a 6th rounder, Tyreek a 5th… draft position doesn’t mean sht after the draft. Nothing.

To be fair, Tyreek was a 5th only because of character issues, or else he would have stayed at OK State and been a 1st round pick.

 

[XLIX]

Because you guys vacillate between needing a #1 WR, it’s desperate you have one.

If one of the best receiving TE's in the history of the NFL was available, I would want us to go get him. But in the meantime, the discussion is over a WR that was reportedly available.

Then when someone points out numerous examples of teams winning rings without one you guys add on all these addendums… like a TE or a QB so magical he transcends everything. It’s not logical or accurate. Either you need a #1 WR or you don’t.

As I said before, there is no one single position that has been present on every single Super Bowl winner. There is no one single position you need.

According to your idiotic logic: Teams have won Super Bowls with bad quarterbacks, therefore quarterback is not an important position.

I agree with you that you need a good passing attack and a competent receiver room… but the 2017 Eagles didn’t have a transcendent QB, a #1 WR, a HOF TE and beat a team in the Super Bowl that had two out of three.

The fact that you have to go back 7 years to demonstrate your point..... kinda really only demonstrates mine.

 

[Real fan 02]

So Bill and Josh got paid and everyone else got HS salaries? That seems accurate to you?

Bill and Mayo's salary not included do you have any evidence of coaches getting paid more now than in the past? I'd be willing to bet that AVP and Covingtons salary combined probably isn't as much as Josh was making.

Oh I agree. I was just eluding to the fact about that bills staff was shortened over time. Josh was an OC, OC and DC salaries at the NFL level are 1 million and up. Steven B was making 2.5.. as a DC.

 

[Wozzy]

If one of the best receiving TE's in the history of the NFL was available, I would want us to go get him. But in the meantime, the discussion is over a WR that was reportedly available.

Are we calling Aiyuk one of the best WR’s in history now?!

As I said before, there is no one single position that has been present on every single Super Bowl winner. There is no one single position you need.

Agreed, but be good at all of them seems like a prerequisite.

According to your idiotic logic: Teams have won Super Bowls with bad quarterbacks, therefore quarterback is not an important position.

That’s idiotic… because i’ve never implied that nevermind said it.

The fact that you have to go back 7 years to demonstrate your point..... kinda really only demonstrates mine.

I went back the last two year last with the Chiefs. Kelce posted the lowest yards, yards per reception and TD’s of his career last season. He’s 35 years old, we can stop calling him a TE god now.