Patriots: PFF Top 5/Bottom 5 at every position, as of Week 8

[NG Pats Fan]

Quarterback

Top 5:

1. Tom Brady 92.5
2. Russell Wilson 90.0
3. Drew Brees 86.7
4. Alex Smith 86.0
5. Aaron Rodgers 84.9

Bottom 5:
1. DeShone Kizer 45.3
2. C.J. Beathard 47.4
3. Trevor Siemian 54.3
4. Mitchell Trubisky 68.5
5. Jay Cutler 68.8


Running Back

Top 5:
1. Kareem Hunt 91.4
2. Devonta Freeman 90.3
3. Aaron Jones 86.7
4. Ezekiel Elliot 85.8
5. Dion Lewis 82.9

Bottom 5:
1. Isaiah Crowell 43.6
2. Carlos Hyde 44.0
3. Javorius Allen 44.7
4. Doug Martin 46.5
5. Mark Ingram 48.4


Fullback

Top 5:
1. Anthony Sherman 78.9
2. Patrick DiMarco 78.0
3. Kyle Juszczyk 74.3
4. Jamize Olawale 73.7
5. James Develin 72.8

Bottom 5:
1a. Aaron Ripkowski 39.9
1b. Roosevelt Nix 39.9
3. Derek Watt 40.8
4. Keith Smith 40.9
5. Derrick Coleman 43.3


Wide Receiver

Top 5:
1. Antonio Brown 92.1
2. Julio Jones 87.8
3. DeAndre Hopkins 87.3
4. A.J. Green 86.0
5. Doug Baldwin 85.6

Bottom 5:
1. Kenny Britt 38.1
2. Breshad Perriman 38.3
3. Zay Jones 40.2
4. Curtis Samuel 41.4
5. Terrelle Pryor Sr. 41.7


Tight End

Top 5:
1. Travis Kelce 89.1
2a. Rob Gronkowski 84.8
2b. Cameron Brate 84.8
4. Hunter Henry 83.3
5. Delanie Walker 83.2

Bottom 5:
1. Demetrius Harris 38.6
2. George Kittle 40.0
3. Dwayne Allen 41.5
4. Troy Niklas 42.8
5. Anthony Fasano 43.2


Offensive Tackle

Top 5:
1. Demar Dotson 87.2
2a. Joe Thomas 86.4
2b. Jason Peters 86.4
4. David Bakhtiari 86.3
5. Lane Johnson 84.4

Bottom 5:
1. Rees Odhiambo 27.2
2. Le'Raven Clark 34.6
3. Breno Giacomini 36.1
4. Greg Robinson 36.6
5. John Wetzel 37.0


Offensive Guard

Top 5:
1. David DeCastro 91.2
2. Zack Martin 90.6
3. Shaq Mason 85.2
4. Brandon Scherff 84.9
5. Joel Bitonio 84.0

Bottom 5:
1. Mark Glowinski 31.8
2. Jeff Allen 32.5
3. Alex Boone 33.7
4. Earl Watford 34.4
5. Isaac Seumalo 34.7


Center

Top 5:
1. Alex Mack 86.9
2. Jason Kelce 86.7
3. David Andrews 85.3
4. Ryan Jensen 84.0
5. Travis Frederick 83.9

Bottom 5:
1. Wesley Johnson 36.0
2. Travis Swanson 36.2
3. Ryan Kelly 38.3
4. Max Unger 39.4
5. Pat Elfein 41.4


Cornerback

Top 5:
1. Marshon Lattimore 94.5
2. Jason McCourty 92.0
3. Jalen Ramsey 91.7
4. Patrick Robinson 89.9
5. Aqib Talib 89.1

Bottom 5:
1. Kevin Johnson 31.3
2. Phillip Gaines 33.3
3. K'Waun Williams 37.6
4. Xavien Howard 37.9
5. Kevin King 39.1


Safety

Top 5:
1. Harrison Smith 93.7
2. Adrian Amos 92.0
3. Glover Quin 91.5
4. Tyvon Branch 89.1
5. Micah Hyde 88.7

Bottom 5:
1. Jabrill Peppers 37.2
2. Daniel Sorensen 38.1
3. Kenny Vaccaro 39.3
4. Kentrell Brice 40.0
5. Nate Allen 40.2


Linebacker

Top 5:
1. Bobby Wagner 94.8
2. Lavonte David 94.4
3. Telvin Smith 90.9
4. Luke Kuechly 89.4
5. Ryan Shazier 88.5

Bottom 5:
1. Hayes Pullard 32.5
2. Jamie Collins 33.2
3. Antonio Morrison 35.9
4. Deone Bucannon 36.6
5. Alec Ogletree 36.8


"Interior Defender"

Top 5:
1. Aaron Donald 95.3
2. Ndamukong Suh 91.4
3. Damon Harrison 90.9
4. Geno Atkins 90.3
5a. Linval Joseph 90.0
5b. DeForest Buckner 90.0

Bottom 5:
1. Ziggy Hood 39.5
2. Brandon Mebane 39.6
3. Adolphus Washington 42.0
4a. Josh Mauro 44.4
4b. Terrell McClain 44.4


"Edge Defender"

Top 5:
1. Cameron Jordan 91.9
2. Von Miller 91.7
3. Melvin Ingram 91.4
4. Brandon Graham 91.3
5. Calais Campbell 90.5
6. Khalil Mack 90.0

Bottom 5:
1. Charles Johnson 41.9
2. Connor Barwin 42.5
3. Cassius Marsh 43.2
4. Cliff Avril 44.1
5. Anthony Chickillo 44.7

 

[Jangles]

guess I'll take your word for it

10/10 link skills

 

[WinstonSmith]

So there is something worse than Dwayne Allen!

 

[ForThoseAboutToRock]

Interesting they lump all Safeties together - McCourty probably the main player I'd anticipated would be on this list.

Very interesting to see Jason McCourty ranked so high among CB.

No surprise to see Marsh low on the edge defender ranking.

 

[brdmaverick]

Jamie Collins the second worst LB?

With him being on Cleveland I've paid zero attention to him or the team but I'm still surprised to see this given the great things we've seen him do (when his head is straight).

 

[captain stone]

How in the world is George Kittle ranked below Dwops Allen?

 

[NE-VT]

Quarterback

Top 5:

1. Tom Brady 92.5
2. Russell Wilson 90.0
3. Drew Brees 86.7
4. Alex Smith 86.0
5. Aaron Rodgers 84.9

Bottom 5:
1. DeShone Kizer 45.3
2. C.J. Beathard 47.4
3. Trevor Siemian 54.3
4. Mitchell Trubisky 68.5
5. Jay Cutler 68.8


Running Back

Top 5:
1. Kareem Hunt 91.4
2. Devonta Freeman 90.3
3. Aaron Jones 86.7
4. Ezekiel Elliot 85.8
5. Dion Lewis 82.9

Bottom 5:
1. Isaiah Crowell 43.6
2. Carlos Hyde 44.0
3. Javorius Allen 44.7
4. Doug Martin 46.5
5. Mark Ingram 48.4


Fullback

Top 5:
1. Anthony Sherman 78.9
2. Patrick DiMarco 78.0
3. Kyle Juszczyk 74.3
4. Jamize Olawale 73.7
5. James Develin 72.8

Bottom 5:
1a. Aaron Ripkowski 39.9
1b. Roosevelt Nix 39.9
3. Derek Watt 40.8
4. Keith Smith 40.9
5. Derrick Coleman 43.3


Wide Receiver

Top 5:
1. Antonio Brown 92.1
2. Julio Jones 87.8
3. DeAndre Hopkins 87.3
4. A.J. Green 86.0
5. Doug Baldwin 85.6

Bottom 5:
1. Kenny Britt 38.1
2. Breshad Perriman 38.3
3. Zay Jones 40.2
4. Curtis Samuel 41.4
5. Terrelle Pryor Sr. 41.7


Tight End

Top 5:
1. Travis Kelce 89.1
2a. Rob Gronkowski 84.8
2b. Cameron Brate 84.8
4. Hunter Henry 83.3
5. Delanie Walker 83.2

Bottom 5:
1. Demetrius Harris 38.6
2. George Kittle 40.0
3. Dwayne Allen 41.5
4. Troy Niklas 42.8
5. Anthony Fasano 43.2


Offensive Tackle

Top 5:
1. Demar Dotson 87.2
2a. Joe Thomas 86.4
2b. Jason Peters 86.4
4. David Bakhtiari 86.3
5. Lane Johnson 84.4

Bottom 5:
1. Rees Odhiambo 27.2
2. Le'Raven Clark 34.6
3. Breno Giacomini 36.1
4. Greg Robinson 36.6
5. John Wetzel 37.0


Offensive Guard

Top 5:
1. David DeCastro 91.2
2. Zack Martin 90.6
3. Shaq Mason 85.2
4. Brandon Scherff 84.9
5. Joel Bitonio 84.0

Bottom 5:
1. Mark Glowinski 31.8
2. Jeff Allen 32.5
3. Alex Boone 33.7
4. Earl Watford 34.4
5. Isaac Seumalo 34.7


Center

Top 5:
1. Alex Mack 86.9
2. Jason Kelce 86.7
3. David Andrews 85.3
4. Ryan Jensen 84.0
5. Travis Frederick 83.9

Bottom 5:
1. Wesley Johnson 36.0
2. Travis Swanson 36.2
3. Ryan Kelly 38.3
4. Max Unger 39.4
5. Pat Elfein 41.4


Cornerback

Top 5:
1. Marshon Lattimore 94.5
2. Jason McCourty 92.0
3. Jalen Ramsey 91.7
4. Patrick Robinson 89.9
5. Aqib Talib 89.1

Bottom 5:
1. Kevin Johnson 31.3
2. Phillip Gaines 33.3
3. K'Waun Williams 37.6
4. Xavien Howard 37.9
5. Kevin King 39.1


Safety

Top 5:
1. Harrison Smith 93.7
2. Adrian Amos 92.0
3. Glover Quin 91.5
4. Tyvon Branch 89.1
5. Micah Hyde 88.7

Bottom 5:
1. Jabrill Peppers 37.2
2. Daniel Sorensen 38.1
3. Kenny Vaccaro 39.3
4. Kentrell Brice 40.0
5. Nate Allen 40.2


Linebacker

Top 5:
1. Bobby Wagner 94.8
2. Lavonte David 94.4
3. Telvin Smith 90.9
4. Luke Kuechly 89.4
5. Ryan Shazier 88.5

Bottom 5:
1. Hayes Pullard 32.5
2. Jamie Collins 33.2
3. Antonio Morrison 35.9
4. Deone Bucannon 36.6
5. Alec Ogletree 36.8


"Interior Defender"

Top 5:
1. Aaron Donald 95.3
2. Ndamukong Suh 91.4
3. Damon Harrison 90.9
4. Geno Atkins 90.3
5a. Linval Joseph 90.0
5b. DeForest Buckner 90.0

Bottom 5:
1. Ziggy Hood 39.5
2. Brandon Mebane 39.6
3. Adolphus Washington 42.0
4a. Josh Mauro 44.4
4b. Terrell McClain 44.4


"Edge Defender"

Top 5:
1. Cameron Jordan 91.9
2. Von Miller 91.7
3. Melvin Ingram 91.4
4. Brandon Graham 91.3
5. Calais Campbell 90.5
6. Khalil Mack 90.0

Bottom 5:
1. Charles Johnson 41.9
2. Connor Barwin 42.5
3. Cassius Marsh 43.2
4. Cliff Avril 44.1
5. Anthony Chickillo 44.7

You forgot to bold James Develin.

 

[The Brandon Five]

Interesting they lump all Safeties together - McCourty probably the main player I'd anticipated would be on this list.

Very interesting to see Jason McCourty ranked so high among CB.

No surprise to see Marsh low on the edge defender ranking.

What could have been....

 

[jah]

What could have been....

It's PFF...

 

[The Brandon Five]

It's PFF...

 

[primetime]

How in the world is George Kittle ranked below Dwops Allen?

PFF ratings are only useful as a general indication of how a particular player played in any given game. They aren't useful in ranking one against another because of differences in how graders award their points or whatever.

PFF sucks because it replaces qualitative analysis with numbers and then tries to act like those numbers have meaning as numbers. It's complete nonsense to say "Dwayne Allen played 1.5 better than George Kittle this week" but that's what PFF wants you to do; in reality these numbers should be interpreted as "Allen and Kittle both played very badly this week" and in that limited context PFF is helpful as an aggregator of player performances.

 

[The Brandon Five]

What could have been....

 

[brdmaverick]

PFF ratings are only useful as a general indication of how a particular player played in any given game. They aren't useful in ranking one against another because of differences in how graders award their points or whatever.

PFF sucks because it replaces qualitative analysis with numbers and then tries to act like those numbers have meaning as numbers. It's complete nonsense to say "Dwayne Allen played 1.5 better than George Kittle this week" but that's what PFF wants you to do; in reality these numbers should be interpreted as "Allen and Kittle both played very badly this week" and in that limited context PFF is helpful as an aggregator of player performances.

Right, I think we all need to take it for what it's worth. Stats aren't as meaningful like in baseball where there are insanely less variables at play than in football, but none-the-less it's still fun trying to compare players. No matter what system is used I'm sure there will have flaws, but it's still fun to see where their rankings put everyone.

 

[Vindicate]

It would be interesting to see someone waste an insane amount of time to breakdown every single variable of a single position, find a way to quanitize each variable, then give an encompassing grade of the player at that position.

Unfortunately folks, for something like football, this is almost downright impossible. Luckily we have some pretty strong "Stats" that can reinforce the efficacy of a player, that being said, sometimes playing well for the team might subtract those numbers. That can leave other players out.

 

[Ring 6]

PFF ratings are only useful as a general indication of how a particular player played in any given game. They aren't useful in ranking one against another because of differences in how graders award their points or whatever.

PFF sucks because it replaces qualitative analysis with numbers and then tries to act like those numbers have meaning as numbers. It's complete nonsense to say "Dwayne Allen played 1.5 better than George Kittle this week" but that's what PFF wants you to do; in reality these numbers should be interpreted as "Allen and Kittle both played very badly this week" and in that limited context PFF is helpful as an aggregator of player performances.

Compounded by the fact that their judgment of good/bad football is poor

 

[Ring 6]

Right, I think we all need to take it for what it's worth. Stats aren't as meaningful like in baseball where there are insanely less variables at play than in football, but none-the-less it's still fun trying to compare players. No matter what system is used I'm sure there will have flaws, but it's still fun to see where their rankings put everyone.

Most of what matters the most in football doesn’t have a statistic associated with it.

 

[RelocatedPatFan]

Most of what matters the most in football doesn’t have a statistic associated with it.

Wins and Losses?

 

[Ring 6]

Wins and Losses?

We were talking about individual players

 

[Vindicate]

Keeping all the commentary in mind that is basically summarizing how this is a team sport and no individual player promises a win,

It's pretty goddamn ridiculous to reflect on Brady's ability to do that. His poise is unmatchable, it literally elevates his entire offense. If I was on a team with Brady, you'd be damn sure that when we're playing from behind I'd say "This guy has shown me anything is possible in terms of comebacks. Even on the biggest stage." - Even the most gifted athletes have a hard time getting over things like that.

That alone is an insane boost of confidence. It's up to Brady to be as intelligent as he is to be a liaison between the coaching staff and his players on the field, it's up to him to not show any hesitance at a play call. It helps that the players in the system study their asses off, but it's up to Brady to make his players think every playcall is the necessary one on that field.

I will never downplay the BB effect, he's a genius. But Brady has been doing this since college, which was an even more insane set of circumstances. That coach did not give him a break by any means. He rallies team purely through aura. He interprets and understands his coaches insanely well, then translating that language to his players in the huddle both during practice and on the field.


Sorry guys, needed to get my Brady-Slob-Fest done for the week. Resume thread.

 

[Sciz]

How in the world is George Kittle ranked below Dwops Allen?

I’m not a big PFF fan, but they’re not wrong here. I believe PFF had Kittle leading the league in drops at one point, but it has been a major problem for him regardless of who is evaluating him. This is a good example of why you should probably watch a guy play before reminding us how “right” you were, instead of copying and pasting the box score.