PATRIOTS NEWS Patriots parting ways w/ Camren Williams, Director of College Scouting

[Wozzy]

This is a crazy example of New England sports. The thread reads Patriots parting ways with Cam Williams. Sounds like he was let go. Yet I read in another publication that he has taken a job with Denver that was a step up from his position here. Meanwhile, this thread reverts to a discussion of BB's drafting ability. LOL!

The Patriots are purging all remnants of BB’s regime… meanwhile they’ve hired Josh Mcdaniels to run the offense.

We’ve got a lot of catty women on this site.

 

[TommyD4207]

Not the first body to fall, won't be the last. By draft time next year we can expect this front office to be thoroughly Vrabelized

Agreed. This is what the possibility was, when people were freaking out that Wolf was still here (me among them, he did enough to be fired, even if his job was getting coffee for the people in charge).

 

[maust]

Agreed. This is what the possibility was, when people were freaking out that Wolf was still here (me among them, he did enough to be fired, even if his job was getting coffee for the people in charge).

By landing on their feet and getting handed the keys to the kingdom of one of the NFL's signature franchises in New England, Vrabel and his boy Cowden are teaching Titans owner Miss Amy one last lesson... the best revenge really does lie in living well.

 

[Thunderhead]

I'd be prepared to jump all over this crying nepotism.... if the Patriots drafting hadn't been largely awful for a decade. Good riddance.

 

[UGAPatsfan]

Williams took the same role with the Broncos that Highsmith the younger took with New England.

Likely felt ready to step forward in his career, and was blocked/passes over here.

Doesn’t mean they wouldn’t have kept him in the College scouting role.

Just a normal “best for my career” move to me.

Shouldn’t be tough to backfill him. In fact a promotion from within might happen.

 

[UrbanCowboy]

I would like to nominate "parting ways" as the most annoying doublespeak phrase in use today!

 

[Zoomnbyu]

The Patriots are purging all remnants of BB’s regime… meanwhile they’ve hired Josh Mcdaniels to run the offense.

We’ve got a lot of catty women on this site.

Thank you so much for posting this. I'd add a lot of people who also don't own or run companies. I had a forklift driver tell me the other day how he thought my company should be run. Not related to his job, which might have been valuable, but how to run the company. I thought I had stepped into a portal into the Patsfans alternate universe.

 

[p8ryts]

Captain took two weeks before coming here with something critical with the draft, and he was conspicuously absent from the chat.

That tells you how well the draft and UDFA signings were.

I really thought he might have changed his user name and I missed it.

Don't get him riled up.

 

[mgteich]

They are purging the team of anyone associated with the prior regime

One could say that.

One could also say that he accepted a promotion from another team.

 

[upstater1]

Draftwise, the game had definitely passed him by. Just some awful drafts for his last 10 years. Brady and shrewd free agent signings and even trades from 2013 on masked his horrid drafting, enabling them to win their last 3 SBs. The drafts from 2010-2012 gave the Pats key players that led to the SB in 2014 (Gronk, McCourty, Highsmith, Jones etc).

He had a lot of bad drafts. But on the other hand, drafting for a perennial Super Bowl team is very different from a draft witha. lot of early picks.

They are 2 entirely different things.

Plus getting several top draft picks taken away from you.

AND also trading premium draft picks for veterans to keep the Super Bowl run going.

The draft I judge him by are 2020 through 2023.

If you look at KC, you see a similar dynamic in play. They keep swinging for home runs and trading away draft picks for vets. But their bust rate, especially always picking 31 and 32, is pretty pretty high compared to the rest of the league.

Perennially good Super Bowl teams just have a different agenda in the draft. They always want to eek out one more Super Bowl.

So they will spend pick after pick on premium positions and their bust rate will be high.

 

[Dragda]

Interesting news. I am guessing contracts are either running out, or have limited term left so they are moving on a year early. Will probably start to see more of these.

This is the time of the offseason when they let these guys go. They need their work for the draft then a little post draft turnover.

 

[Patriot Missile]

One could say that.

One could also say that he accepted a promotion from another team.

I’d almost say the seed has been planted for failure for Denver with the hiring just by going off some pretty bad drafts. However, wasn’t too high on Caserio either until he was able to step out of BB’s shadow. We’ll see how he does over there in Denver.

 

[Gumby]

He had a lot of bad drafts. But on the other hand, drafting for a perennial Super Bowl team is very different from a draft witha. lot of early picks.

They are 2 entirely different things.

Plus getting several top draft picks taken away from you.

AND also trading premium draft picks for veterans to keep the Super Bowl run going.

The draft I judge him by are 2020 through 2023.

If you look at KC, you see a similar dynamic in play. They keep swinging for home runs and trading away draft picks for vets. But their bust rate, especially always picking 31 and 32, is pretty pretty high compared to the rest of the league.

Perennially good Super Bowl teams just have a different agenda in the draft. They always want to eek out one more Super Bowl.

So they will spend pick after pick on premium positions and their bust rate will be high.

I’m probably what some here would call a BB apologist. But even I think that BB ONLY gets a pass on Rd1 picks during the winning years. As a SB winner or finalist; it is the equivalent of picking 2 thru 7 plus an extra 7th each year. But even by using those degraded expectations; the draft outcomes the last 5-8 BB years were ‘below average’.

It is what it was. Sad that a coach who gave us so much, left feet first (so to speak).

 

[DaBruinz]

You are right

That's a promotion for Williams.

 

[DaBruinz]

Why would Wolf be next? They just had the best offseason they have ever had, and even the most pessimistic Patriot fans can’t find anything they need to do before the season starts, and we are in May. I give Vrabel the credit for the turnaround, because he’s the one making final decisions, but his working relationship with Wolf is excellent, and Wolf clearly played a significant role in their offseason success.

Why wouldn't Wolf be next? He's not a Vrabel guy and he's still showing that he's crappy at his job.

 

[DaBruinz]

Captain took two weeks before coming here with something critical with the draft, and he was conspicuously absent from the chat.

That tells you how well the draft and UDFA signings were.

I really thought he might have changed his user name and I missed it.

It just says that Captain was on a bender and probably hasn't fully recovered yet.

 

[mgteich]

Why wouldn't Wolf be next? He's not a Vrabel guy and he's still showing that he's crappy at his job.

If Wolf is also offered a promotion, he is likely to take it.

 

[captain stone]

Captain took two weeks before coming here with something critical with the draft, and he was conspicuously absent from the chat.

That tells you how well the draft and UDFA signings were.

I really thought he might have changed his user name and I missed it.

You people are easily satisfied.

 

[captain stone]

One could say that.

One could also say that he accepted a promotion from another team.

Does this mean we receive an extra 3rd-round draft pick next year? Sweet.

 

[The Gr8est]

Does this mean we receive an extra 3rd-round draft pick next year? Sweet.

Hmmm, I didn’t consider that.

Do we get a pick for that?