Hmmm... maybe if you had a helpful open attitude to ask the question it would be different. Like "that's interesting, could you point me to it?" No, instead in the prior thread you started with accusations right off the bat - you know - shoot first and ask questions later.... that is NOT conducive to open debate it it?[/qiuote]
This is what I said
Please provide the source where this was 'admitted'
How is that anything but an open attitude? I even said please.
In the Light thread you made something up that you still havent shown any truth to. I can't help if you make things up.
Oh yes sir.... sounds made up? Try doing some research, or maybe increase your media inputs. This one was right out there.
No its not. Your comment describes him as insubordinate. That is not supported at all.
Meri played more often, but on a per play basis I'd argue Chung was equal or better. AAV says 6 for Meri and 5 for Chung to get an objective measurement. Tackles say Chung, picks were equal.
Its fine that we disagree here, I saw better play out of Meriwhether.
Yeah I didn't turn up a reference - yet, the first time I was right, this other time here I'm right. So we see that you are wrong on these two counts AND quick to question others.
So now you are right and I am wrong because you say so and cannot back it up. If Matt Light was asked to play another position and refused there would be some evidence of that. There is not. You may have a poor memory, but in any event that simply did not happen.
I'm not going to report every spec of news I get and where I got from real time - you have to decide if that's good enough for you, it won't gate my output.
You don't have to, I am asking you to back up outlandish claims that you make and purport as fact.
It's pertinent to the overall value of the player. If Chung is busy making tackles but looks like he is out of place to the unwashed, but BB knows what he was doing - and endorses it, then what does coverage have to do with anything in that case?
Because we were discussing coverage.
Let's not lose sight of the fact that Chung is going into his 3rd year and Meri his 5th, and that Chung had an injury that slowed his development, and gets paid less then Meri (less then half as much). On balance they are both good players, neither is great. Meri is better in coverage, but not in tackling.
They are what they are. How much experience they have is part of who they are.
BB doesn't like things that take away from football - right? In any dimension it would appear. You expect BB to actually hold forth on this in detail?
What does BB not liking things that take away from football have to do with Meriwhether?
Chung seems to be football all the time (which BB did make a comment about the other day (which I am sure you read), which was an endorsement of the players attitude and work ethic.
OK. How does that add up to something negative about Meriwhether?
2010 Chung (excuse me, but from Wiki):
Chung became a full-time starter at safety in 2010. In Week 1, Chung set a career high with 16 tackles against the Cincinnati Bengals. In the second half of an October 4, 2010 Monday Night Football game against the Miami Dolphins in Week 4, Chung blocked both a punt and a field goal, which led to two Patriots touchdowns. He later returned an interception 51 yards for a touchdown. Chung added a 13-tackle game in Week 6 in an overtime win over the Baltimore Ravens, but left in the second quarter of the team's Week 7 game with a knee injury. After missing the next two games, Chung returned in Week 10 to record 11 tackles in a win over the Pittsburgh Steelers.
2010 Meri (Wiki):
Meanwhile Meri was benched in 2010 "Meriweather was not part of the Patriots base defense to begin the 2010 season, something which Meriweather described as a coaching decision as a result of him freelancing in the defense during training camp.[7] After being replaced as a starter in Weeks 2 and 3 by James Sanders, Meriweather returned to his starting role in Week 4."
"In Week 6, Meriweather was penalized for an inadvertent helmet-to-helmet hit on Baltimore Ravens tight end Todd Heap. While Heap walked off the field and would later return, the hit, grouped together with other helmet-to-helmet hits on defenseless receivers from NFL players during the week, sparked controversy over the protection of players. The NFL took action the following Tuesday when they fined Meriweather $50,000 for the hit."
So, Chung has no black marks on his career - but the fake punt, and Meri has these plus his 2006 issues at school and his faux issue this off season. Guy seems like a magnet to me... and to other Pats fans.
Wait. No one disputes he had one issue in camp that he was disciplined for, and then played more often than any other safety on the team.
Are you seriously trying to tell me that
-A personal foul penalty is a character issue?
-Something he did in college before he was drafted in round 1 creates a grudge by BB
-A false accusation is a problem?
That is, frankly, ludicrous.l
As you mentioned yesterday, many Pats fans are sour on Meri, my voice isn't going to have much more of an effect, now is it? And I am entitled to my viewpoint, and entitled not to have to have a bibliography - what is this a term paper, a publication?
I have no problem with you having whatever opinion you wish. I have a problem with you making a statement of fact that I find false (and incorrectly demeaning to the player) when you cannot back it up. If you could show where Matt Light ever refused to play anywhere but LT or even in fact did anything that wasn't consistent with the consummate team player attitude, I would say thanks for educating me. When you can't and it is pointed out that your facts are wrong, why do you resist reconsidering or checking your facts?
There is a burden of proof on the accuser - which you seem to ignore. No good grace, no friendliness to a fellow Pats fan.
No the burden of proof is on the person who claims a fact is true. How would I prove that something was never said?
Spare me the friendliness bs. I disagreed with your comment and instead of ripping you for it I gave you the opportunity to back it up. You failed to do so.
