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PATRIOTS NEWS Patriots Hire Adrian Klemm as Offensive Line Coach

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Sure. He decided to stay removed from his family, make more money, and get out of a situation that was never a good fit for him. The same man of character who bailed on Penn State for the NFL after replacing Joe Paterno at his alma mater. Poor Nickie Saban. He would just have had to sign Rees away from Notre Dame a season earlier.

Cults of personality are horrible things. They make people ignore the truth and perpetuate lies. Chess vs. checkers, right boys? Thinking of Joe Paterno. How helpful was his cult to Penn State?
What in the world are you talking about? You’re arguing against your own point. O’Brien had interview offers and NFL interest after his first year at Penn State and quite publicly stated that he was staying and “is not a 1 and done guy”, that’s literally where this originates from. After he fulfilled his two year commitment with PSU, he went to Houston for a head coach job.

Please explain how he “bailed on Penn State” and how this somehow proves that he doesn’t give 2 year commitments.

Your last couple sentences about cults - don’t even know what to do with that one. Went off the rails there.



In point of fact, he saved Penn State's ass. He took a program that had a nuclear bomb dropped on it and made it immediately competitive again.
 
Maybe poor Matt is really shrinking like some of us.

I measured 6'1.5 at the doctor's office recently when I'd been 6'3 all my life. I was alarmed as I sat waiting for the doctor so I looked it up: men start shrinking in their 40s (I'm mid 50s now). I swear the lack of cartilage in my knees is responsible for at least half an inch!
 
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Maybe poor Matt is really shrinking like some of us.

I measured 6'1.5 at the doctors off recently when I'd been 6'3 all my life. I was alarmed as I sat waiting for the doctor so I looked it up: men start shrinking in their 40s (I'm mid 50s now). I swear the lack of cartilage in my knees is responsible for at least half an inch!

 
Maybe poor Matt is really shrinking like some of us.

I measured 6'1.5 at the doctors off recently when I'd been 6'3 all my life. I was alarmed as I sat waiting for the doctor so I looked it up: men start shrinking in their 40s (I'm mid 50s now). I swear the lack of cartilage in my knees is responsible for at least half an inch!
Everyone starts "shrinking" in the late 40's. It has to do with disc deterioration / compression that everyone goes through as you age.
 
Against 2 of the better teams against the Run, they did crap last year. Utah, and Georgia. Pac 12 not a Powerhouse too. Why a Run Specialists, in a Passing League too?

Who said that Klemm was going to be a "Run Specialist"?

It seems to me that you're making a TON of assumptions with zero facts to support you.
 
Klemm has over 10 years coaching offensive lines. I think it's the right choice.


3 years with Pittsburgh. Looks to me like Klemm might just be the right man for the job.

2019 - 32 Sacks allowed. However - they used 3 Diff QBs and 5 Dif RBs.
2020 - 14 sacks allowed.
2021 - 38 sacks allowed. Rookie Center. Rookie LT. 3 different starters at LG.
2022 - 38 sacks allowed. Entire O-line for all 17 games. No injuries. Rookie QB and Crap QB in Trubisky.

Position coaches work with what the GM gives them.
 
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Sounds like Klemm really impressed. Would love to see them add 1-2 more assistants, seems we've been running a bit light on offensive staff last few years.

They have Yates as one assistant. They also had Rothstein, Ross Douglas and Tyler Hughes as offensive assistants last year. Hughes was a WR is College, but worked as a QB coach for 5 years at Snow College and during his single year at Ohio State.
Wonder if this means he'll work with BOB and the QBs..
 
What in the world are you talking about? You’re arguing against your own point. O’Brien had interview offers and NFL interest after his first year at Penn State and quite publicly stated that he was staying and “is not a 1 and done guy”, that’s literally where this originates from. After he fulfilled his two year commitment with PSU, he went to Houston for a head coach job.

Please explain how he “bailed on Penn State” and how this somehow proves that he doesn’t give 2 year commitments.

Your last couple sentences about cults - don’t even know what to do with that one. Went off the rails there.



In point of fact, he saved Penn State's ass. He took a program that had a nuclear bomb dropped on it and made it immediately competitive again.
Yes, he saved Penn State’s program after officials, alumni and fans there made excuse after excuse for their way past his prime previous HC who’s success had made him above reproach and unanswerable for his recent poor performance for way too many.

Putting aside Sandusky, you had a HC so out of touch and deluded that he once ran over a cyclist on campus with his car and got out and started berating the cyclist for the incident. All the while the actual football program was in steep competitive decline. It’s just Joe Pa being Joe Pa as the excuses for his behavior and the program’s failures were perpetuated by his “fans”. It took this environment for a Sandusky to occur.

Irrational confidence and reverence for a person is very cult like. Tyrants and Cult leaders actively promote it to control followers, but it can organically happen around successful leaders. No one should be above reproach and unanswerable for their mistakes. It’s foolish and destructive in the end.

My original post in this thread was a tongue in cheek statement about the transitory nature of the coaching profession and the uselessness of contracts in preventing the movement in response to the preposterous theory repeated on this board that even if Belichick really wanted O’Brien last off-season his contract and commitment to Alabama would have prevented it. That’s nonsense. Nick Saban is himself a serial contract breaker. Would Bill put his friendship with Saban above “the best interest of the team”?

Of course the purpose of that theory is to excuse away Belichick’s Patricia and Judge folly to which I say no excuses are necessary. Belichick would not be the first person to overrate the competence of an underling that he really likes personally.

The Belichick excuse making and blame deflecting on this board is excessive and galling. It hurts the honest discussion we want to see and participate in about the present and future of our favorite football team.

I like the Klemm hiring. It’s a good thing when former players go into coaching as they can relate to today’s players on a level that can be most successful.

I’m over last season and happy to have a coach with Bill O’Brien experience running the offense. We’re on to 2023.
 
They have Yates as one assistant. They also had Rothstein, Ross Douglas and Tyler Hughes as offensive assistants last year.
 
What in the world are you talking about? You’re arguing against your own point. O’Brien had interview offers and NFL interest after his first year at Penn State and quite publicly stated that he was staying and “is not a 1 and done guy”, that’s literally where this originates from. After he fulfilled his two year commitment with PSU, he went to Houston for a head coach job.

Please explain how he “bailed on Penn State” and how this somehow proves that he doesn’t give 2 year commitments.

Your last couple sentences about cults - don’t even know what to do with that one. Went off the rails there.



In point of fact, he saved Penn State's ass. He took a program that had a nuclear bomb dropped on it and made it immediately competitive again.
Did you copy my entire post by accident? Lol makes it look like you’re saying the exact same thing I did
 
Yes, he saved Penn State’s program after officials, alumni and fans there made excuse after excuse for their way past his prime previous HC who’s success had made him above reproach and unanswerable for his recent poor performance for way too many.

Putting aside Sandusky, you had a HC so out of touch and deluded that he once ran over a cyclist on campus with his car and got out and started berating the cyclist for the incident. All the while the actual football program was in steep competitive decline. It’s just Joe Pa being Joe Pa as the excuses for his behavior and the program’s failures were perpetuated by his “fans”. It took this environment for a Sandusky to occur.

Irrational confidence and reverence for a person is very cult like. Tyrants and Cult leaders actively promote it to control followers, but it can organically happen around successful leaders. No one should be above reproach and unanswerable for their mistakes. It’s foolish and destructive in the end.

My original post in this thread was a tongue in cheek statement about the transitory nature of the coaching profession and the uselessness of contracts in preventing the movement in response to the preposterous theory repeated on this board that even if Belichick really wanted O’Brien last off-season his contract and commitment to Alabama would have prevented it. That’s nonsense. Nick Saban is himself a serial contract breaker. Would Bill put his friendship with Saban above “the best interest of the team”?

Of course the purpose of that theory is to excuse away Belichick’s Patricia and Judge folly to which I say no excuses are necessary. Belichick would not be the first person to overrate the competence of an underling that he really likes personally.

The Belichick excuse making and blame deflecting on this board is excessive and galling. It hurts the honest discussion we want to see and participate in about the present and future of our favorite football team.

I like the Klemm hiring. It’s a good thing when former players go into coaching as they can relate to today’s players on a level that can be most successful.

I’m over last season and happy to have a coach with Bill O’Brien experience running the offense. We’re on to 2023.
You’re not making any sense. Again, the discussion is about O’Brien giving his own personal 2 year commitments which has nothing to do with Belichick or Saban. In your previous post you said that is not accurate and claimed O’Brien bailed on PSU. Now you’re ranting about Joe Paterno for some bizarre reason and then going back to the well of “Belichick put his friendship with Saban before the team!!!!!!!” which is not what is being discussed.

Again, we ask you, please explain how Bill O’Brien “bailed on Penn State” and how this proves he does not give 2 year commitments.
 
Sure. He decided to stay removed from his family, make more money, and get out of a situation that was never a good fit for him. The same man of character who bailed on Penn State for the NFL after replacing Joe Paterno at his alma mater. Poor Nickie Saban. He would just have had to sign Rees away from Notre Dame a season earlier.

Cults of personality are horrible things. They make people ignore the truth and perpetuate lies. Chess vs. checkers, right boys? Thinking of Joe Paterno. How helpful was his cult to Penn State?
Bill o Brien is a brown Alum, not penn state
 
Sure. He decided to stay removed from his family, make more money, and get out of a situation that was never a good fit for him. The same man of character who bailed on Penn State for the NFL after replacing Joe Paterno at his alma mater. Poor Nickie Saban. He would just have had to sign Rees away from Notre Dame a season earlier.

Cults of personality are horrible things. They make people ignore the truth and perpetuate lies. Chess vs. checkers, right boys? Thinking of Joe Paterno. How helpful was his cult to Penn State?
Your history as a poster here is even less impressive than your username’s NFL career.
 
I remember Klemm pick. I don't remember him ever on the Field. Out of Coaching for a couple of years, with Steelers, then one year in the Pac 12. Yep, I'm skeptical. Hope he proves me wrong, Happy to admit it. Made many bad judgements.
On of the greatest OL coaches ever endorsed him. So there’s that.
 
I love this, very much.

Second coming of Scar. Very hard and demanding. We haven't had this kind of accountability since Scar walked away.

From your lips to God’s ears.
 
Alright. I think that does it for the biggest changes needed in coaching. Maybe just missing a dedicated QB coach (a real one).
I believe BOB is the OC and QB coach.. I just feel like I'd rather have BB dedicating him time to the defense and ST, let BOB run the show offensively.. as great as BB is 2022 was as bad as his Cleveland days..
 
Just listening to the podcast....man....after BB made his opening comments on Tom's career, in his response Tom's voice was clearly trembling.

Pretty powerful stuff.
 
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