Patricia was "de facto general manager" after Caserio's Departure

[Wozzy]

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Historically, the Browns have made several attempts to acquire Garoppolo via trade, all of which were rejected or fell through: [1, 3]

• 2017 Draft & Trade Deadline: The Browns repeatedly inquired with the New England Patriots about a trade. Reports indicate they were willing to offer a first-round pick (specifically the Houston Texans' 2018 pick, which became No. 4 overall). However, Bill Belichick reportedly "froze out" the Browns and instead traded Garoppolo to the San Francisco 49ers for a second-round pick to keep him out of the AFC.
• 2022 Offseason: Speculation arose that the Browns might pursue a trade for Garoppolo from the 49ers following Deshaun Watson's 11-game suspension. While the Browns reportedly considered him a "bridge" option, no official offer was made before Garoppolo restructured his contract with a no-trade clause to stay in San Francisco.
• 2026 Free Agency: Recent links between the Browns and Garoppolo are largely based on his connection to coaching candidate Nate Scheelhaase, who worked with him in Los Angeles. However, the Browns have not "pulled the trigger" on a deal, and Garoppolo has yet to commit to playing another season. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 12, 13]

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• How Cleveland Browns were frozen out of Jimmy Garoppolo ...
  Jan 8, 2018 — They were told Garoppolo wasn't available. They said more than once, "If you are open to trading him, please call." Two days later...
  
  
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• Report: Patriots rejected Browns' sizable offer before sending ...
  Jan 9, 2018 — Report: Patriots rejected Browns' sizable offer before sending Jimmy Garoppolo to 49ers. ... The New England Patriots traded Jimmy...
  
  
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• Browns reportedly rejected by Patriots after trying to trade for ...
  Apr 28, 2017 — Everyone and their brother knew the Browns wanted Trubisky, but they weren't willing to use the top pick on him (and apparently we...
  
  
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While there is no public record of a formal, written "offer" document, top Cleveland Browns executives and head coach Hue Jackson made several public statements in 2017 confirming their aggressive attempts to land Jimmy Garoppolo. [1, 2, 3]

Quotes from the Browns Front Office
The Browns' leadership at the time, including Sashi Brown (Executive VP of Football Operations) and Hue Jackson (Head Coach), acknowledged the pursuit while often being rebuffed by New England: [1, 2, 3]

• Hue Jackson (Post-Draft, April 2017): When asked about failing to land a quarterback on draft night, Jackson stated, "Obviously, it didn't happen today, but it's not like we didn't try. I guarantee you that. But I think that time's coming, and it will be here."
• Sashi Brown (Pre-Draft, April 2017): Responding to rumors about the team's pursuit, Brown said, "We're going to continue... to do anything and everything we can to get this position better as we continue to move forward." He later clarified that while they had inquired, a deal wasn't imminent: "Could we in theory [trade for a veteran]? Yes, but are we planning on it... No."
• Hue Jackson (Training Camp, 2017): Jackson was vocal about his desire for a "proven" winner, famously saying, "I’ll put a quarterback on this football team that can win." Insiders like Mary Kay Cabot from Cleveland.com confirmed Jackson was the "driving force" behind the interest. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

Reported Offers vs. Public Denial
While the Browns publicly framed their efforts as "inquiries," multiple insiders detailed the specific assets the team was prepared to move: [1]

• Draft Weekend 2017: Reports from ESPN's Adam Schefter and NFL Network's Ian Rapoport indicated the Browns "buzzed" the Patriots multiple times.
• The "Second-Round" Offer: Reporting from Cleveland.com stated the Browns made an offer involving a 2017 second-round pick and additional assets, which the Patriots rejected.
• The "First-Round" Willingness: By the trade deadline in October 2017, it was widely reported that the Browns were willing to offer the Houston Texans' 2018 first-round pick (which later became No. 4 overall). However, the Patriots reportedly never called the Browns back before trading him to the 49ers for only a second-round pick. [1, 3, 4, 5, 6]

This ^ is just AI slop.

AI was asked to generate a picture of a Nazi, this is what AI came back with:



AI also generated a picture of a female asian Nazi, it was important for AI to be inclusive and not chauvinist.

All those links lead nowhere... or worse, to opinion pieces. One link at the bottom tells us the Browns offered a 2nd, the same as the 49ers.

Do better.

 

[rkarp1]

This ^ is just AI slop.

AI was asked to generate a picture of a Nazi, this is what AI came back with:



AI also generated a picture of a female asian Nazi, it was important for AI to be inclusive and not chauvinist.

All those links lead nowhere.

Do better.

lots of info sourced with Jackson, Sashi Brown, Schefter, Rap, Mary Kay Cabot.
yet you call it slop?
how much more information do you need to confirm the Pats did not do their due diligence on what the level of interest was for JimmyG?
you posting a picture as a counter discussion seems foolish, as there are mountains of evidence disputing everything you have said on topic

 

[Wozzy]

lots of info sourced with Jackson, Sashi Brown, Schefter, Rap, Mary Kay Cabot.
yet you call it slop?
how much more information do you need to confirm the Pats did not do their due diligence on what the level of interest was for JimmyG?
you posting a picture as a counter discussion seems foolish, as there are mountains of evidence disputing everything you have said on topic

It's AI garbage, I asked you for a single link confirming the Browns offered the Pats a first... and you provided nothing but air.

In fact you provided the same source I did that said the Browns only offered a 2nd... Ian Rapoport.

Hue Jackson said nothing about Jimmy, only that they wanted to improve the QB position. Jackson's daughter tweeted to the world when someone criticized her dad online that Sashi and the Brown's front office left the building early on the day of the trade deadline. They weren't even in the office.

Sashi Brown? He was the GM who traded the pick that became Deshaun Watson, moved down and drafted Deshon Kizer instead. Then when he had two firsts, he refused to trade the later one for JimmyG, only offered a 2nd which is exactly what he ended up trading for AJ McCarron... who also sucked. This is why Sashi Brown got fired.

Sashi crying to a reporter Brown's fans referred to as a "Sashi Brown apologist" months after he was fired about what he would have done in the JimmyG situation was worthless. He admitted right there he never offered a first.

AI slop is not a response... AI takes from fan sites like this one and gossip rags to generate answers.

 

[rkarp1]

It's AI garbage, I asked you for a single link confirming the Browns offered the Pats a first... and you provided nothing but air.

In fact you provided the same source I did that said the Browns only offered a 2nd... Ian Rapoport.

Hue Jackson said nothing about Jimmy, only that they wanted to improve the QB position. Jackson's daughter tweeted to the world when someone criticized her dad online that Sashi and the Brown's front office left the building early on the day of the trade deadline. They weren't even in the office.

Sashi Brown? He was the GM who traded the pick that became Deshaun Watson, moved down and drafted Deshon Kizer instead. Then when he had two firsts, he refused to trade the later one for JimmyG, only offered a 2nd which is exactly what he ended up trading for AJ McCarron... who also sucked. This is why Sashi Brown got fired.

Sashi crying to a reporter Brown's fans referred to as a "Sashi Brown apologist" months after he was fired about what he would have done in the JimmyG situation was worthless. He admitted right there he never offered a first.

AI slop is not a response... AI takes from fan sites like this one and gossip rags to generate answers.

Sashi Brown: Browns don't envision Garoppolo trade

Browns boss Sashi Brown made it clear that he doesn't envision a draft-weekend trade for a veteran quarterback. Does that mean Jimmy Garoppolo and AJ McCarron are staying put?

www.nfl.com

Patriots rebuff Browns' Jimmy Garoppolo inquiry

The Browns inquired about Jimmy Garoppolo and were promptly rebuffed again on Thursday night, NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport reported, via a source close to the situation.

www.nfl.com

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2017/04/browns_buzz_on_trading_for_jim.html

 

[Wozzy]

Sashi Brown: Browns don't envision Garoppolo trade

Browns boss Sashi Brown made it clear that he doesn't envision a draft-weekend trade for a veteran quarterback. Does that mean Jimmy Garoppolo and AJ McCarron are staying put?

www.nfl.com

What does this tell us?

Sashi could have traded for Jimmy back in December when the Patriots told the world he was available. They didn't...

Instead they waited until the day of the draft and then offered a 2nd according to Ian Rapport.

If I'm the Pat's and I can trade the player to the Browns or 49ers for equal compensation, I'm taking the NFC team. Not to mention the 49ers gave us a backup QB since we were losing ours in Brian Hoyer and they paid his entire salary... gave him to us for free.

I see no evidence or 100% facts...

 

[h0c2000]

Lots of Jordons in this thread defending their man.

 

[rkarp1]

What does this tell us?

Sashi could have traded for Jimmy back in December when the Patriots told the world he was available. They didn't...

Instead they waited until the day of the draft and then offered a 2nd according to Ian Rapport.

If I'm the Pat's and I can trade the player to the Browns or 49ers for equal compensation, I'm taking the NFC team. Not to mention the 49ers gave us a backup QB since we were losing ours in Brian Hoyer and they paid his entire salary... gave him to us for free.

I see no evidence or 100% facts...

of course there are no facts
only what is reported from Schefter, Rap and Cabot, and what Brown and what Jackson said publicly

you asked for links to what people said about the deal...I provided them in spades, that all point to Bill rebuffing all overtures.

 

[Bill Lee]

Getting back to the original post - Ian has a pretty good article today on Matt Patricia:

Former Patriots Staffer Reveals Surprising Person Behind Two Key Player Cornerstone Additions in 2021 | PatsFans.com

In a surprising twist, former Patriots staffer Joe Kim credits Matt Patricia for the 2021 draft selections of Rhamondre Stevenson and Christian Barmore.

www.patsfans.com

I commend the effort, but you stood no chance against the ever-popular re-litigation of 2016-2018 and 2022-2024.

 

[Wozzy]

of course there are no facts
only what is reported from Schefter, Rap and Cabot, and what Brown and what Jackson said publicly

Yeah... and not one of them said the Browns offered the Pats a first.

you asked for links to what people said about the deal...I provided them in spades, that all point to Bill rebuffing all overtures.

No, you provided an encyclopedia of AI slop.

Nobody is digging through that BS. Stop being lazy, you said you have proof the Browns offered a first.

You have nothing... hot air.

You hated BB, we get it, you wanted him fired entering 2014... that looks pretty foolish in hindsight. But to suggest he turned down a first round pick is laughable. He hated first round picks apparently. The guy who would have sold one of his children for another ring didn't want a first. Sounds legit.

 

[rkarp1]

Yeah... and not one of them said the Browns offered the Pats a first.

No, you provided an encyclopedia of AI slop.

Nobody is digging through that BS. Stop being lazy, you said you have proof the Browns offered a first.

You have nothing... hot air.

You hated BB, we get it, you wanted him fired entering 2014... that looks pretty foolish in hindsight. But to suggest he turned down a first round pick is laughable. He hated first round picks apparently. The guy who would have sold one of his children for another ring didn't want a first. Sounds legit.

no one has proof. especially you
I provided numerous links reporting what the Browns and San Fran have commented on publicly.
you have defended your position with foolish name calling and meme's.
Lets agree to disagree and move along
thank you

 

[Wozzy]

no one has proof. especially you
I provided numerous links reporting what the Browns and San Fran have commented on publicly.
you have defended your position with foolish name calling and meme's.
Lets agree to disagree and move along
thank you

I don’t have to provide anything, you made the claim. The burden of proof is on you. You’ve got nothing.

Even the fired Brown’s GM said he didn’t offer the Pats a first. End of discussion.

 

[rkarp1]

I don’t have to provide anything, you made the claim. The burden of proof is on you. You’ve got nothing.

Even the fired Brown’s GM said he didn’t offer the Pats a first. End of discussion.

sorry, I have moved along

 

[Huckleberry1]

just telling the truth
it's been reported that in Bill's contract he had final and absolute say over all football decisions. if he did not have that, his contract voided.
Bob has repeatedly said Bill had total control

what more do you need to acknowledge JK was not muscling Bill?

You are wasting your breath. There are a number of people here who will do literally anything to shift the blame for Belichick's bad decisions to anyone but but Bill. I think Belichick is the GOAT, and have said so many times, but when I said that Belichick made some bad decisions the last 5 year in Foxborough they shrieked, cried, and called me a hater. And they did the same to anyone critical of Belichick. For some reason they can't understand that every coach and GM in football is going to make some bad decisions, it goes with the job, but they will deny that and insist that any bad decisions must have been made by others, despite the fact that as you noted Belichick always had absolute control. They believe that Belichick should get credit for all the good, and none of the bad. Reality says otherwise. The person with final say gets both the credit and blame.

 

[Triumph]

The beginning of the end was when Brady went directly to Kraft and asked him to get rid of Jimmy GQ.

My sister was working in Boston at the time and she told me that Jimmy was acting and talking as if the Pats were his team now. Makes sense, because I believe that BB had grown weary of Brady and TB12 and the whole circus. BB was a disciple and believer of the "System" and he wanted to win a SB like Tuna did with different QBs by adhering to the system. BB is sharp enough to realize that his success would always be because of Brady if he didn't cut the Brady umbilical cord and move on. To this day that is exactly the perception that BB never won jacksheet without Brady.

Drama is unescapable when people are involved.

The 85 Bears had it. Ditka hated Buddy Ryan. Ditka gave fatass Fridge Perry a TD run and not Walter Payton.
The Bradshaw Steelers had it. After he left, Bradshaw would pixx on the Steelers if they were on fire.
The 80's Cowboys had it. Jimmy Jones said that anybody could win with his team, so Jerry Johnson up and quit.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Patricia was horrible as an OC. The fact is that Patricia was tasked with implementing the Shanahan "Wide-Zone" and couldn't do it. In fact, he alienated one of the two players who'd played in that offense in Kendrick Bourne. Instead of seeking out the help of Bourne and Trent Brown, Patricia did his own thing. Bourne got so fed up with him that he called Patricia out on it. Which is what landed Bourne in the dog-house that year.

Patricia's offense put up 364 points in 2022.
Bill O'Brien's Offense in 2023 put up 236 point. It also had serious issues on the O-line. From Injuries to Trent Brown, McDermott, Reiff, and Anderson, to Lowe showing he couldn't play RT. Oh.. And the Pats O-line Coach (Klemm) got fired/quit because he told Wolf off. So the Pats were relying on Billy Yates and James Ferentz to coach the O-line.

Bill O'Brien's 1st tenure was significantly different when it had a complete O-line:
2011 - 513 points for
2012 - 557 Points for
2013 - 444 points for (No Competent TE behind Gronk who went out early in the season with injury)
2014 - 468 points for (Won the SB)

So, to say that Patricia was better than O'Brien is a stretch.

Another stupid rebuttal and a waste of everyone's time posting your geek stats. The poster you were responding to clearly meant 2023 O'Brien and not during his 1st stint when he had...I don't know...the greatest QB and TE of all time. Not to mention the other supporting players the Pats had during that time. There was a major correlation between the two that flew right over your head.

By the way, O'Brien left after the 2012 season. Or maybe he was also calling plays while at Penn State and Houston? For a guy who likes to criticize others, you sure are incapable of putting together a proper argument.

You really shouldn't have poked me dude. Maybe you'll take this as a lesson learned and think twice about hitting reply to any of my posts and be more respectful to others here.

 

[Mike the Brit]

There are so many conflicting stories about what went down but I've yet to understand how or why GM Lynch would lie about his conversations with Belichick. It seems absurd that he would. It's far more likely that Wickersham's story was incorrect and that Belichick was not averse to trading Jimmy G. at the proper time (2017 season).

I agree with you that he expected Jimmy to take over but when there was no fall off in Brady, he traded him that very same year.

As you know, I agree with you on a lot of this, but there are obvious reasons. Lynch and Belichick are friends and he has good reason to cover for him (beyond friendship, there are practical reasons to keep good relations).

 

[DaBruinz]

?
O'Brien had Brady

They're still years that O'Brien was the OC. O'Brien had lots of things during his first tenure that neither Patricia nor he had in 2022 & 2023.
The person I was responding to is the one who claimed, outright, that Patricia was the better OC and pointed specifically to just 2023. As if the other years never happened.

What's funny is that you take issue with my not mentioning Brady but couldn't be bothered to mention any of the things I brought up to that guy..

 

[ahmed]

I kinda feel bad for Patricia to be honest. Seems like Bill gave him way too much to do. Then we all beat him up for being bad at it.

Yup. Blame lies squarely with Bill. He destroyed his NFL career trying to make Bill happy.

He will be back in the NFL eventually. He is just too talented not to which is why Bill kept relying on him. It is really just a matter of whether he has the personality to become HC which is the difference between head coach and coordinator IMO.

 

[upstater1]

What's funny is that you take issue with my not mentioning Brady but couldn't be bothered to mention any of the things I brought up to that guy..

Yes, because Brady

 

[n1997y]

But that is what led to his downfall. When you put loyalty over experience, knowledge, competence, etc., you are setting yourself up for failure.

What an opportunity for a political comment! But it’s really just a general truth that gets exposed under more intense scrutiny like politics or intense competition like sports. In business it gets disguised by complicating factors like market dynamics or red herrings like gripes about regulatory interventions.