Remix 6
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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.As I recall, the Pats went into 2005 with three RBs, Dillon-Faulk-Pass. The others were added as RBs were injured.pats1 said:Like I've said, history really trends towards the Pats carrying 5 total players in the backfield.
2005:
Dillon
Faulk
Pass
Evans
Cloud/Zereoue
spacecrime said:As I recall, the Pats went into 2005 with three RBs, Dillon-Faulk-Pass. The others were added as RBs were injured.
I don't recall the last time the Pats had 5 RBs on the opening day roster.
And I don't think 2006 will be the next time, either.
pats1 said:What I'm getting at is if the Pats want Pass, a fairly proven player with lots of experience in their system, to help them out if the oft-injured Faulk or injury-prone Dillon goes down, they'll need to keep him on the roster. They don't have the luxury they had in 2003. Pass' stats-explosion and his versatility over the past few years hasn't gone unnoticed.
spacecrime said:If there ever was a time to keep the best player, it is this year, when we have money up the wazoo. I don';t believe in overpaying, but I think Faulk's 2006 salary of $1.9 million is reasonable.
shakadave said:The discussion on this thread has been educational for me. After reading it all, I am still about where Pats1 is in my thinking.
Maroney fills a different role than Pass. I think Mills fills a very different role than Pass.
Pass wins most tiebreakers with other players trying to win a roster spot on ST because if you suddenly need a running back, Pass has been there, done that, and done it reasonably well. Pass would certainly be picked up by another team if we let him go. He's now officially a "veteran" in the sense that another team could scoop him up and count on a certain amount of NFL smarts already being in place.
Pass is unspectacular, but solid in so many ways, and versatile to boot. I give him roster spot #51 out of 53.
It is amazing, issn't it. The same with 3GTG and 3GTG II. So many players has so many key roles. But the fact that Pass had a key roll in a SB or playoff has nothing to do with whether he stays this year. Remember Jerome WIggins in 2001, 10 catches in the Snow Bowl. Remember JR Redmon in 2001? Remember his run late in the Snow Bowl. Remember with under a minute to play in SB XXXVI, how he refused to go down and how he dragged two Rams to the sidelines to stop the clock?pats1 said:The more times I watch 3GTG III (just did this afternoon), the more I realize how each Patriot player makes their own special contribution in one way or another.
pats1 said:You don't have any right to question his mental toughness. You don't see him on a day-by-day basis. You are basing your radical presumption on a single, inconsequential play while utterly ignoring his important contributions to the team over the years.
Joker said:It's not a radical presumption you pretentious fop..it is borne out of real time observation. BTW I've seen every single play of every single game FOR DECADES. I've observed Patrick Pass's contributions to this team since he was first taken and IMHO he's an average to below average NFL running back with a very low pain threshold...quite obvious by his THROWING THE BALL TO THE GROUND when he pulled a hamstring. He didn't go down holding the ball...he THREW IT and clutched his leg with both hands. I saw that play over and over and I don't know anybody who wasn't disgusted and sickened by his lack of concern for the team. You can call it "an inconsequential play" and wave your Pass pom poms until hell freezes over.
pats1 said:And if the team felt that way he would have been cut the next day or be thrown on the bench for the rest of the year. Neither was the case.
Reggie Dupard had a couple good runs. And he didn't throw the ball on the ground when he got hurt, either. Plus he caught passes out of the backfield.Joker said:yeah OK...let's play your iddle widdle spoiled brat game
how about Todd Rucci...did you see all those plays he was in on for years???He was terrific...I really thought he was vital...just like Max Lane...who cares if the two of them trudged off the field with their shoulders sloped after another 3 and out? who cares that Bledsoe was beaten to a pulp to the tune of 6.5 sacks per game average the last two years of Carroll's tenure? So what?? They MADE SOME PLAYS TOO!!! One time Rucci got pushed back 5 yards on a straight dive play and the Pats lost seven yards and punted on 3rd and a fooit but the very next series HE WAS BLOCKING WHEN DREW HIT A 20 YARD PASS!!!! Why did we ever get rid of him??? He had GREAT VALUE to the team...and Max too!! Do you realize how many plays they made that weren't below average? I just wish they were back on the squad...and I wish Drew was back too...because he played a lot of games too !!! And he did great inb a lot of them!!! Why would anyone want to see Drew go to another team? Just imagine, we could have Drew and Rucci and Lane and John Stephens on our offense...why would anyone think of dropping those guys??? They were great!!! Just like Patrick Pass!!!
pats1 said:How is Evans worth more than Pass?!? Like I've said - Pass hasn't seriously returned kicks since 2003. His role is just as it was in 2004 - the starting "FB."
pats1 said:He was doing great up until that injury.
Remix 6 said:he was given his chance to shine when our RBs were out.
Actually, he played in the next game but was basically benched the rest of the year except for three games with 13, 8, and 9 carries when every one else was hurt and there was no one else to go to.pats1 said:And if the team felt that way he would have been cut the next day or be thrown on the bench for the rest of the year. Neither was the case.
pats1 said:Are you absolutely kidding me? Have you been under a rock since 2003?
Fact? More like ignorance!
spacecrime said:Actually, he played in the next game but was basically benched the rest of the year except for three games with 13, 8, and 9 carries when every one else was hurt and there was no one else to go to.
Life is so easy when you can ignore facts. All this Pass talk about how well he has been doing. Let's look at Pass since 2003. His real stats.
Between 2003 and 2005 here is his game log:
# games # of carries
21.........DNP
10.........0 carries
5..........1 carries
5..........1 carries
1..........3 carries
5..........4 carries
7..........5 or more carries per game
Returns:
2003...11...23 AVG...36 LNG
2004....6...19 AVG...24 LNG
2005....2...15 AVG...21 LNG
And I can see why you chose those years. Look at the rest of his career:
# games # of carries
43.........DNP
4..........0 carries
2..........1 carries
1..........2 carries
1..........3 carries
1..........4 carries
1..........5 or more carries per game
His career stats (107 possible games (reg & playoff) over six years):
9 starts
63 DNPs
21 games with 1 carry or less.
505 yards on 122 carries (4.1 AVG)
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spacecrime said:Actually, he played in the next game but was basically benched the rest of the year except for three games with 13, 8, and 9 carries when every one else was hurt and there was no one else to go to.
Life is so easy when you can ignore facts. All this Pass talk about how well he has been doing. Let's look at Pass since 2003. His real stats.
Between 2003 and 2005 here is his game log:
# games # of carries
21.........DNP
10.........0 carries
5..........1 carries
5..........1 carries
1..........3 carries
5..........4 carries
7..........5 or more carries per game
Returns:
2003...11...23 AVG...36 LNG
2004....6...19 AVG...24 LNG
2005....2...15 AVG...21 LNG
And I can see why you chose those years. Look at the rest of his career:
# games # of carries
43.........DNP
4..........0 carries
2..........1 carries
1..........2 carries
1..........3 carries
1..........4 carries
1..........5 or more carries per game
His career stats (107 possible games (reg & playoff) over six years):
9 starts
63 DNPs
21 games with 1 carry or less.
505 yards on 122 carries (4.1 AVG)