NFL News OT: Where do the Ravens go from here?

[Tunescribe]

I think Brady will hire HC Flores and OC Daboll.

On the surface that sounds like a volatile combo -- two hard-ass personalities. When it comes down to the final say on a crucial decision, duck!

 

[Ring 6]

Henry ramped the ball down our throats the previous series, so why this ratio with another RB?

It was the 4th quarter. What were they saving him for?

Certainly not a fireable offense by itself for a proven coach like Harbaugh, but definitely made no sense.

Well the final drive was 2 minute drive trailing so it’s not odd that 2 plays were passes.

The one before went pass, run, pass first down then run for zero, pass that turned into scramble and pass on 3rd and 7.

Huntley was also 9/10 so this isn’t that unusual.

 

[condon84]

Blaming Lamar is nuts.

He didn't drop the pass, Andrews did.

He didn't fumble at the 1 yard line, Flowers did.

And he certainly put the team in position on Monday so his kicker can make the game winning kick.

Harbaugh is a good coach but there's a culture of choke artists on that team. We won our SBs mostly with a critical play our players made along the way. Imagine if they those players choked instead of coming through. Are we gonna blame Brady?

 

[TommyD4207]

Blaming Lamar is nuts.

He didn't drop the pass, Andrews did.

He didn't fumble at the 1 yard line, Flowers did.

And he certainly put the team in position on Monday so his kicker can make the game winning kick.

Harbaugh is a good coach but there's a culture of choke artists on that team. We won our SBs mostly with a critical play our players made along the way. Imagine if they those players choked instead of coming through. Are we gonna blame Brady?

 

[Family]

Well the final drive was 2 minute drive trailing so it’s not odd that 2 plays were passes.

I thought the conversation was about the possession before the final drive.

No problem with the final drive. It was the one before that was curious.

 

[ScottishPatriots]

They could easily be the best team in the AFC next year, things turn around fast in the NFL.

It was just 12 months ago people were saying no one wants to come to the Patriots and it's a dysfunctional wasteland less than a year later after a bit of a free agency splash, good coaching and MVP QB play the Patriots have 14 wins.

The Ravens could easily do that if they hire the right guy, not saying it guarantees anything in the playoffs but i wouldn't be shocked if the Ravens suddenly had 13 wins next year and were one of the Super Bowl favs going into this week next year.

If you have someone at QB who has capability to operate at a top 5 level then you always have a chance to build everything else around it.

 

[Thelonious]

"Athletic" QB's like Lamar generally have two or three years before the damage builds to a point where the athletic razzle dazzle is no longer possible. Over that time they have to develop their other skills, their cognitive, leadership and game management skills in particular, so they can play without all that damage. Lamar has not done that. He's a serviceable thrower - has been all along - but he's a selfish screwball. They can try to paper over the problem by the usual revolving door of coaches and GM's, or they can get what they can for a failing QB and move on. That's what I'd do. It probably isn't what the Ravens will do.

Harbaugh would have been great for a post-Lamar rebuild. Rebuilding around Lamar will be a thankless and futile undertaking. They have made their choice.

 

[Ring 6]

Blaming Lamar is nuts.

He didn't drop the pass, Andrews did.

He didn't fumble at the 1 yard line, Flowers did.

And he certainly put the team in position on Monday so his kicker can make the game winning kick.

Harbaugh is a good coach but there's a culture of choke artists on that team. We won our SBs mostly with a critical play our players made along the way. Imagine if they those players choked instead of coming through. Are we gonna blame Brady?

What most people miss in these type of analyses is there were many times other players DID make plays around Jackson to win games.
The job isn’t to get your team in position that you win if someone doesnt screw up and lose if they do, but to win without needing that play.
Expecting to convert 100% of the time in a game ending situation and deferring blame to someone else isn’t how it’s supposed to work.

In many, many cases, our players didn’t choke because they weren’t given the opportunity to because we didn’t let games come down to one play.

However when Welker choked, yes people still blame Brady

 

[Ring 6]

I thought the conversation was about the possession before the final drive.

No problem with the final drive. It was the one before that was curious.

I don’t see anything crazy in the next to last drive.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Blaming Lamar is nuts.

He didn't drop the pass, Andrews did.

He didn't fumble at the 1 yard line, Flowers did.

And he certainly put the team in position on Monday so his kicker can make the game winning kick.

Harbaugh is a good coach but there's a culture of choke artists on that team. We won our SBs mostly with a critical play our players made along the way. Imagine if they those players choked instead of coming through. Are we gonna blame Brady?

That statement represents an overall organizational failure.

Personnel is acquiring players who choke
The players are mentally weak
The coach isn't coaching them up to be more prepared, disciplined, etc.

 

[Sect140]

Not necessarily, the wind could have been swirling around the stadium...still should have known the wind condition at that endzone.

Exactly, kickers are paid damn good money and part of their responsibility and the special teams coach is to monitor the wind not as your getting ready to kick but through out the game, I do cut the kicker some slack though since he was a rookie, I’m guessing he hasn’t experienced wind like that before.

 

[StockingAnarchyNumber12]

Even though I know we didn’t like the Ravens or Harbaugh, it’s kinda sad knowing the last remnants of players/coaches who are left from when I first started watching are nearly either all retired

 

[condon84]

What most people miss in these type of analyses is there were many times other players DID make plays around Jackson to win games.
The job isn’t to get your team in position that you win if someone doesnt screw up and lose if they do, but to win without needing that play.
Expecting to convert 100% of the time in a game ending situation and deferring blame to someone else isn’t how it’s supposed to work.

In many, many cases, our players didn’t choke because they weren’t given the opportunity to because we didn’t let games come down to one play.

However when Welker choked, yes people still blame Brady

You don't even believe this or trolling.

 

[Family]

I don’t see anything crazy in the next to last drive.

They had just run the ball with Henry for a pretty easy TD.
4th quarter in a must win in December and Henry sits the next series. What are they saving him for?
Never got back on the field in the final series. (Understanding because of circumstances.)

Never used the word crazy.
But definitely poor coaching.

 

[PlainOldEd]

"Athletic" QB's like Lamar generally have two or three years before the damage builds to a point where the athletic razzle dazzle is no longer possible. Over that time they have to develop their other skills, their cognitive, leadership and game management skills in particular, so they can play without all that damage. Lamar has not done that. He's a serviceable thrower - has been all along - but he's a selfish screwball. They can try to paper over the problem by the usual revolving door of coaches and GM's, or they can get what they can for a failing QB and move on. That's what I'd do. It probably isn't what the Ravens will do.

Harbaugh would have been great for a post-Lamar rebuild. Rebuilding around Lamar will be a thankless and futile undertaking. They have made their choice.

the Jets would probably give them 6 first round picks.

 

[mike_usagisan]

They had just run the ball with Henry for a pretty easy TD.
4th quarter in a must win in December and Henry sits the next series. What are they saving him for?
Never got back on the field in the final series. (Understanding because of circumstances.)

Never used the word crazy.
But definitely poor coaching.

It's weird because he took so much heat for it in the Pats game.

 

[Family]

It's weird because he took so much heat for it in the Pats game.

Sorry I was referring to the Pats game.

 

[XLIX]

Lamar Jackson got very old very fast. He just wasn’t the same QB this year that we’ve seen in the past. He just didn’t have the mobility.

 

[StockingAnarchyNumber12]

Blaming Lamar is nuts.

He didn't drop the pass, Andrews did.

He didn't fumble at the 1 yard line, Flowers did.

And he certainly put the team in position on Monday so his kicker can make the game winning kick.

Harbaugh is a good coach but there's a culture of choke artists on that team. We won our SBs mostly with a critical play our players made along the way. Imagine if they those players choked instead of coming through. Are we gonna blame Brady?

I don’t blame the rookie kicker. Yeah, making that kick is his job I get it but he’s a rookie. Your season should never come down to a rookie saving the day.

 

[patfanken]

This thought just struck me. Think about it. While Brady spent a over a decade mastering an offensive system that gave him "all the answers to the test". And other elite QB's spent 3-5 seasons mastering the WC offense. LJackson has spent all of his career in a kind of unique system that the Ravens had to create to maximize his unique talents of being more of a runner than thrower in his early years. Obviously, his passing skills has developed over the years, but the clunky system still remains.

Jackson's performance in the last game of the season could be called, heroic. He threw the ball with touch and accurately and escaped from situations that I couldn't believe. That on when he burst through TWO free rushers side by side to throw a TD pass might have to be on my top 5 plays I watched this season. Bottom line, he still is an elite QB in this league, but who coaches him, and in what system, or will it have to be created to what LJ's skills are currently.

It would seem like a no brainer that the Ravens job would be a top job in this cycle, up there with the Giants. But, man, to me it looks very scary. Better have almost superhuman self-confidence to impose your will and vision, or else all you are going to be just a glorified gofer from Biscotti, DaCosta, and Jackson, only YOU will take the fall if you don't meet expectations and expectations are superbowl appearences