OT- What will Goodell do? Colin Kaepernick sits during national anthem

[RobertWeathers]

your willingness to write off your fellow americans for having a different opinion is rather unamerican, I dont know why the right always feels like they get to label who is a real american and who isnt.

Also this is the dumbest thread

Who said I was "the right"? You have no freaking clue what my ideology is.

If you think my position is un-American you are just as clueless as Kap is.

 

[RobertWeathers]

After years of working together and making D&D coffee runs my buddy and I both ended up working in China for a few years and went through D&D withdrawal.

During one of our D&D withdrawal conversations we came to the conclusion that it wasn't just the coffee that was special rather it was the magical combination of the coffee and the Styrofoam cup.

I came back to the U.S. a couple of years before him and used to tease him with, " hold on man... let me take sip of my perfectly brewed cup of D&D coffee. "

I ended up sending him a box of D&D coffee complete with a bunch of cups, lids and sugar packets. He acted like a junkie who had finally got his fix.

Good times.

That said if I was given the choice I would buy a cup coffee from D&D's, get a combo soup and sandwich from Tim's and sit and watch the yahoos spending double for their grande mocha chocha latte 's.

Great story. When I travel abroad one of the first things I do is grab a DD.

Starbucks is another place that I'll frequent only if I have to. With that said the egg nog lattes are pretty good.

 

[ViperGTS]

I think Kap is a total attention-whore douche and I don't like what he's doing.

But I also think you "everyone must believe what I believe, or else" people are not to be thought well of and anti-what-makes-this-country-great.

Members of the military take an oath to "protect, defend, and uphold" the US Constitution. Are you claiming they're all lying or crossing their fingers when they take that oath? Or does your copy of the Constitution have some extra clause at the end of the first amendment along the lines of "doesn't apply to people I don't think 'respect' authority enough"?

I think one of my high school classmates (who has served overseas and has spent over 20 years in the military) said it well:

I am a Soldier. I will always stand and render proper honors to our nation when the National Anthem is being played.

Having said that, the proper response to San Francisco 49ers Quarterback Colin Kapernick is to ignore him.

Forced patriotism is *not* patriotism. If you have to force someone to show respect, are they really showing respect, or are they just showing compliance? And if the difference between the two doesn't matter to you, then it's you who are being unAmerican, not Mr. Kapernick.

Forced respect? It's not/shouldn't have to be forced. If you can't show respect without being forced, then get out. You are not needed here, and all the fruits it gives you.

I know this is the standard SSF-SJW response you posted. There are however still some tattered remains of national pride left. Also you can't ignore things and expect them to go away. A high profile millionaire role model can't be ignored when he's disrespecting the country and those who've died for it.

Your soldier friend is wrong. He's one of the few I know who feel that way.

 

[FirstAndGoal]

Nothing worse than "hard chargers" who never served and think they know how those who did would react to this and doves who haven't seen the world think everything is evil. Equally ignorant IMO. Basically the rantings of spoiled and privileged children who haven't seen or known real despair.

The guy can do what he wants. I don't care. He may have his reasons and I'm willing to listen. I may disagree but I'm willing to hear his point. I didn't serve to hear my point of view. I served to hear all points of view. I can only offer my opinion that that's all I ever cared to protect.

Here's how I view flag protests. To me, the flag represents the ideals of the country and not the government. Therefore I would never do anything to disrespect it. I served it and I did it without regard to any politics. I served the Constitution and that's closer to what I think the flag represents. If someone else sees it as the representation of the government, so be it. I don't view it that way so therefore it can't be tarnished in my eyes.

Also, to balance the conversation since there seems to be some crap about Marines and such beating people up for protesting which is horseshit. A few may do something stupid but most serve and return to their lives after their service without most of you knowing who we are.

...the next time one of you "yahoos" drives around with your flag flying in the back of your truck or car though, realize that some of us get just as upset at your lack of respect for the flag when we see it tattered and dirty while you're driving around in your "Americamobiles" all decked out. You may think you have a handle on patriotism but when you stick it outside your house but when you fail to bring it in at night, you disrespect it too. Learn basic flag etiquette before you go around proving to the world that you love this place because if you claim to love it so much and want to protect it. Learn how you show respect to it.

Above all else, stop using servicemen as patriotic shields to prove your points and if you served stop painting us in your image.

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

He must hate himself then...

Throwback To When Colin Kaepernick Was Fined For Using Racial Slurs Towards A Black Player dailysnark.com

and of course, the real reason for his new hatred for America....

Colin Kaepernick Converting To Islam For Girlfriend? | 49ers

This is his last ditch effort to grab attention for himself on his way out the door.

 

[archstanton543]

I find it notably hypocritical how a kid abandoned by his black parents--and raised by an all-white family--has taken up the saber against "whitey" and joined BLM.

His mom is white and his father is black and he was adopted by a white Wisconsin family.

 

[Brady_Moss]

If you don't understand what Kaepernick is doing and standing for then you're a ****ing idiot, all of you...how can you NOT respect or support what this man is doing?? I'm a HUGE Brady fan but sometimes we all have to pay our respects to the actual man and not the uniforms that they wear. "Justice for all" is not being exercised in this country. ?

 

[TheFlyingWedge]

As a San Francisco resident, I can tell you that the Niners fans out here have been sick of this guy's play on the football field. For such a great talent in his first couple years in the league, he has become wildly erratic and undependable as of late. Regardless of whether or not one agrees with his ideology, he is creating a media distraction that he appears to be committed to maintaining on a long term basis. Thats going to adversely affect him and his team.

 

[oldrover]

 

[STLRAMBRINGER]

always disliked kapperdick

 

[SHOWTIME15]

lol, Goodell is going to have a major problem on his hands. more players are going to boycott the national anthem.

Second NFL player to sit out national anthem

 

[STLRAMBRINGER]

I wonder if kapperdick realizes BLM wants reparations. He should probably donate his salary to them.

 

[Snake Eyes]

If you don't understand what Kaepernick is doing and standing for then you're a ****ing idiot, all of you...how can you NOT respect or support what this man is doing?? I'm a HUGE Brady fan but sometimes we all have to pay our respects to the actual man and not the uniforms that they wear. "Justice for all" is not being excised in this country. ?

If he wanted to call attention to injustice there is a way to do it, people aren't leaving this situation thinking about ways to address police brutality, they're leaving thinking Kaepernick is an ass-douche.

 

[Froob]

lol, Goodell is going to have a major problem on his hands. more players are going to boycott the national anthem.

Second NFL player to sit out national anthem

Please end in Goodell being fired...

 

[Zeus]

Offered without comment, other than to say I found it interesting. Perhaps some of the resident historians here will have a different point of view, which I would love to hear.

Colin Kaepernick Is Righter Than You Know: The National Anthem Is a Celebration of Slavery

 

[ViperGTS]

Offered without comment, other than to say I found it interesting. Perhaps some of the resident historians here will have a different point of view, which I would love to hear.

Colin Kaepernick Is Righter Than You Know: The National Anthem Is a Celebration of Slavery

I'm not clicking on that garbage.

Considering it was the bombardment of Ft. McHenry by the British in the War of 1812 which inspired F. Scott Key to write it, I highly doubt it has squat to do with slavery.

 

[Zeus]

I'm not clicking on that garbage.

Considering it was the bombardment of Ft. McHenry by the British in the War of 1812 which inspired F. Scott Key to write it, I highly doubt it has squat to do with slavery.

It seems that slaves fought on both sides. The British recruited slaves as a part of their was effort. The third verse of the anthem makes reference to this.

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

Considering it was the bombardment of Ft. McHenry by the British in the War of 1812 which inspired F. Scott Key to write it, I highly doubt it has squat to do with slavery.

The author points out (accurately) that part of the British strategy was to enlist American slaves to fight with the British against the Americans. The last verse of the SSB seems to acknowledge this and celebrate our flag as it waved over the fort, after the British and the freed slaves had been defeated.

 

[ViperGTS]

The author points out (accurately) that part of the British strategy was to enlist American slaves to fight with the British against the Americans. The last verse of the SSB seems to acknowledge this and celebrate our flag as it waved over the fort, after the British and the freed slaves had been defeated.

The British did it in the Revolution as well. It was more indentured servitude than freedom. Meaning, fight for us to get your freedom, not freedom with an option to fight.

So, the SSF-SJW are at it again. Drumming up some dumb b.s because they don't have any idea how to live without stirring up trouble.

 

[patfanken]

I find it notably hypocritical how a kid abandoned by his black parents--and raised by an all-white family--has taken up the saber against "whitey" and joined BLM. I suspect it has something to do with this attractive Muslim female DJ in the SF area who has entranced him, thereby making him a convenient meat-puppet for these aforementioned groups and movements. If he were Joe Blow, middle-wage earner who'd personally been persecuted by the po-po, then I might give his stance some credence. Instead, he comes off as an insufferable man-child of privilege (much like our beloved Golfer-in-Chief) as he pontificates upon matters that have never personally impacted him. smh

I VERY rarely use a negative icon on a post but this could be one of the WORST responses I have ever seen.

So NOW you want to imply Kapernick has take up the "saber against whitey" because his girlfriend is Muslim????? So those dead black guys, killed on the street by police were just a figment of our imagination. You want to tell me that this ISN'T a problem that needs to be dealt with!!!!!!!!!

How do you KNOW that he's never been profiled before he became an NFL player. Don't you think it is outrageous that responsible black parents HAVE to teach their children how to act if confronted by the police for no other reason than they are black Don't you think that it is outrageous that almost every middle class black person I have ever known has been pulled over for driving while black in a so called wrong neighborhood. And most just treat it like a is just a part of being a black person in America. Aren't you OUTRAGED that in 2016 that is STILL the case.

God you are a jackass. It must really burn you that we have had a black president for the last 8 years. You know the guy who dug us out of the worst recession of the last 70 years that your "Frat guy in Chief" got us into, DESPITE having to work with a Congress who put their own political gain over what's good for the country. You know, the guys who turned bipartisanship into a dirty word.

IF you want to complain that it was ill advised method for him to make his point, then just say that. I get that there are people who think the Flag is above reproach and represents the ideals, and NOT the actual administrations. I might not necessarily agree, but I certainly understand the point. Personally, I think Kapernick would have been better off just stating his views publicly, rather than doing what he did. But only because I think he dilutes the message he wanted to make, when people turn it into a "disrespect" thing and not talk about the REAL issue behind the move.

BTW- I originally came to this thread to ask why we are still talking about this topic, when it seemed all the reasonable ideas on both sides had been hashed through several pages ago.