OT: Vikings swapping picks with Falcons due to tampering?

[The Gr8est]

When Jets tampered with Revis, they only got a fine iirc

And when the Broncos under Josh McDaniel were caught filming the 49ers’ walkthrough, they were fined $300,000, despite McDaniels already being previously implicated in Spygate.

A repeat offender should really get hammered you would think, but for some reason the 5-11 Broncos only got a slap on the wrist.

 

[mgteich]

I didn’t say get rid of contracts but players should be able to know their worth around the NFL prior to free agency.
I said I can see the cap being a thing of the past.

1) OK, I understand. You want players under contract to contact other teams before free agency. How about before the season ends? During SB week? This issue should be part of the CBA, and I believe that it is.

Players are NOT forced to make agreements with team while they are under contract. Players are always free to find out their worth before signing with another team.

You seem to want to give the players a right that they already have, the ability to find out their worth before signing with another team.

2) The cap is going nowhere. It is part of the CBA where the players and owners have agreed that there needs to be limits on the ability of very rich owners to pay lots more for their players than others will pay. Yes, the lack of the cap would help the very top players. IMO, the rest would suffer. Now, there is a tradeoff. If a team wants to pay $40M for a QB and $20M each for a couple of WR's, then the team is greatly restricted on the pay for other players either now or later.

Yes, the mechanisms of the cap (and the CBA) can always be improved.

HOWEVER, I believe that the league and players have it right. They have NEGOTIATED how to have a professional sports product that is the most popular in the US, with owners and players doing very well indeed.

 

[jmt57]

The owners love the cap. It protects them from themselves. They'll never admit it publicly, but they know it is true.

If the cap goes away then losing teams stay bad for longer periods of time. That results in less interest in more markets. That in turn results in less revenue. Less revenue equals less money for player salaries.

Getting rid of the cap is a losing proposition for players, not a winning one.

 

[Ivan]

I think the pendulum will swing in the players direction sooner than later.

The only way the players ever get the upper hand is if the Union gets them to pay into a big enough fund for them to sit for a season without caving. And I doubt that will ever happen,

 

[Ivan]

The owners love the cap. It protects them from themselves. They'll never admit it publicly, but they know it is true.

If the cap goes away then losing teams stay bad for longer periods of time. That results in less interest in more markets. That in turn results in less revenue. Less revenue equals less money for player salaries.

Getting rid of the cap is a losing proposition for players, not a winning one.

The provision that really allowed the owner to get their spending under control was the rookie cap. Prior to that provision rookie contracts were driving all contracts up to exorbitant levels, and setting benchmarks for veterans that teams had to outdo or lose the player.

 

[vicspats]

Depends on their QB evaluations, yeah. If they really like Penix Jr or Nix, it's feasible that they could move down to 8 and get either one of the top WRs (Nabers or Odunze) or top tackles, then move up from 23 to the teens to take the QB that they like. Fill two big needs with immediate starters and one blue-chip talent, and still likely have pick 34 in your pocket for whichever need you didn't yet hit.

Worth noting though, if they did take Penix, left tackle becomes less of a problem because he's a lefty. So your right tackle is now your blindside protector instead, and Onwenu is here for a few years to lock that down. Okorafor may be serviceable at left tackle if he's not your blindside protector and instead playing the role the right tackle would typically play.

I could see something like - trade with Minn. for pick 8 + 23 + first rounder in 2025 + 4th rounder in 2024 (pick 108). At pick 8, draft Rome Odunze. Trade up from pick 23 to pick 16 with Seattle in exchange for pick 68 and draft Michael Penix Jr. At pick 34, take a tackle like Patrick Paul. You'd still have picks 103, 108, 137, 180, 193, and 231, and an extra first rounder next year.

Odunze is definitely the guy I want. Solid receiver who doesn’t play in 85 degree weather.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Won't happen. The highest picks that get swapped are 2nd rounders.

 

[FortressX]

NFL says it won't conclude Falcons, Eagles tampering investigations this week

League contradicts Monday's ESPN report on timing of resolution.

www.nbcsports.com

 

[gobesmug]

NFL says it won't conclude Falcons, Eagles tampering investigations this week

League contradicts Monday's ESPN report on timing of resolution.

www.nbcsports.com

In other words it was determined that resolving the tampering this week could improve the Vikings draft stock which could indirectly help facilitate a trade up with the Pats and since the Pats could potentially benefit from any resolution this week it has been determined that the investigation will take at least another week to conclude.

 

[Big Bucks]

Nothing to see here.. just saw above post. doh