OT: Urban Meyer put on paid leave by Ohio State.

[catent]

I’m guessing there’s no bias in play here, “Boston Wolverine?”

Seeing as how they handled the last ridiculous infraction, I don’t really agree that it’s necessarily “all about football.” Worry about your own HC, who also happens to be certifiably insane. That dude's going to crack any minute now.

"Certifiably insane", perhaps. But he has yet to be accused with ample evidence of lying about knowledge of domestic abuse, so there's that.

 

[AtomicDawg]

 

[supafly]

"Certifiably insane", perhaps. But he has yet to be accused with ample evidence of lying about knowledge of domestic abuse, so there's that.

He’s also failed to beat his rival in numerous attempts which happens to be the main reason why he was brought in, so there’s that, too. This sounds like the same argument that people use against the Pats.

I’m so damned sick of the “me too” movement, I can’t even explain. Now, we have the first case of someone who was “me too’ed,” but somehow indirectly. Think about that. Meyer is guilty of knowing that someone on the staff had been in a marital wrestling match, which at some point occurs in the majority of marriages? Give me a break. When did everyone’s private lives become the responsibility of someone else?

Yes, it is wrong. He should’ve interfered with the marriage and put his assistant on blast the first time he heard the rumors. I’m not meaning to downplay that fact, but let’s keep everything in perspective at the same time. There’s even texts amongst the wives stating that “Urban doesn’t know what to believe.” He’s not a freaking court of law. He’s pretty much the definition of a victim of circumstance who didn’t wish to get involved. Eventually, he decided to report it, after he gave the assistant the benefit of the doubt and the situation did not change. While that was wrong, let’s not pretend like he’s Satan’s spawn, either.

 

[ralmat55]

I see where OSU co-defensive coordinator Greg Schiano wasn’t appointed interim HC despite having been a HC in Division 1 before as well as an NFL HC.

Of course, he was a social media victim and denied the coaching position at Tennessee this off season because someone without any first hand knowledge once mentioned, that Schiano as a member of the Penn State coaching staff, had to know of Jerry Sandusky’s activities.

Guilt by working in the same building I guess. Our society most assuredly has its problems. Abuse of any kind against anyone is wrong. Period. But, what good are we doing by participating in Twitter vigilante groups ruining people’s lives and reputations?

People can’t wait to get on their high horse and ride off to the land of the righteously indignant. It distracts them from their own unrighteousness, I guess. We’re ruining lives and reputations because of slips of a tongue or what someone should have known or done. It’s just gone too far.

 

[catent]

He’s also failed to beat his rival in numerous attempts which happens to be the main reason why he was brought in, so there’s that, too. This sounds like the same argument that people use against the Pats.

I’m so damned sick of the “me too” movement, I can’t even explain. Now, we have the first case of someone who was “me too’ed,” but somehow indirectly. Think about that. Meyer is guilty of knowing that someone on the staff had been in a marital wrestling match, which at some point occurs in the majority of marriages? Give me a break. When did everyone’s private lives become the responsibility of someone else?

Yes, it is wrong. He should’ve interfered with the marriage and put his assistant on blast the first time he heard the rumors. I’m not meaning to downplay that fact, but let’s keep everything in perspective at the same time. There’s even texts amongst the wives stating that “Urban doesn’t know what to believe.” He’s not a freaking court of law. He’s pretty much the definition of a victim of circumstance who didn’t wish to get involved. Eventually, he decided to report it, after he gave the assistant the benefit of the doubt and the situation did not change. While that was wrong, let’s not pretend like he’s Satan’s spawn, either.

I made my post somewhat in jest but apparently it wasn't taken as such. Given that, I'm happy to match your sincere tone.

The entire first paragraph is irrelevant. You seem to be assuming I'm a Michigan fan which is hardly the truth. My dad is an alumni so I grew up watching games but I have little attachment to Michigan myself. This Meyer situation has absolutely nothing to do with football so I don't understand why you'd bring up anything football-related in this discussion.

This is about an individual who was aware that a member of his coaching staff had abused his wife in 2009, and then subsequently became aware of additional alleged abuse that occurred in 2015, did nothing to address the matter and publicly lied about his knowledge. Calling this a "marital wrestling match" is beyond disingenuous, and if you think a husband physically abusing his wife on multiple occasions is a normal occurrence in marriage, I'd say that your moral compass needs some tuning.

No one asked Meyer to interfere in their marriage, nor did anyone ask Meyer to act as a "court of law". Rather, they expected him to take domestic abuse allegations seriously (knowing that there were previous incidents between this couple). Meyer seemingly did not. And all that aside, Meyer lied about his knowledge of the events. Is it unreasonable to expect Meyer to not outright lie? Could he not have said, "I was aware of the 2015 allegations and allowed law enforcement to handle that situation in a way they saw fit, but I and the University did not feel the need to intervene"?

If you, or I, or anyone is aware of someone being abused (or allegedly abused), publicly or private, we have a moral and ethical responsibility to address the matter. Meyer did not. Regardless of whether Meyer was genuinely concerned about Smith's wife and was unsure of the truth value of the allegations, Meyer (and his wife, given that she's an OSU employee) had a responsibility both ethically and legally (via Title IX) to report those allegations. Given that Meyer was aware of the previous abuse that Smith had committed in 2009, Meyer should have been on top of the 2015 situation immediately, and unfortunately he was not.

That's why Meyer is being (rightfully) vilified.

 

[supafly]

I made my post somewhat in jest but apparently it wasn't taken as such. Given that, I'm happy to match your sincere tone.

The entire first paragraph is irrelevant. You seem to be assuming I'm a Michigan fan which is hardly the truth. My dad is an alumni so I grew up watching games but I have little attachment to Michigan myself. This Meyer situation has absolutely nothing to do with football so I don't understand why you'd bring up anything football-related in this discussion.

This is about an individual who was aware that a member of his coaching staff had abused his wife in 2009, and then subsequently became aware of additional alleged abuse that occurred in 2015, did nothing to address the matter and publicly lied about his knowledge. Calling this a "marital wrestling match" is beyond disingenuous, and if you think a husband physically abusing his wife on multiple occasions is a normal occurrence in marriage, I'd say that your moral compass needs some tuning.

No one asked Meyer to interfere in their marriage, nor did anyone ask Meyer to act as a "court of law". Rather, they expected him to take domestic abuse allegations seriously (knowing that there were previous incidents between this couple). Meyer seemingly did not. And all that aside, Meyer lied about his knowledge of the events. Is it unreasonable to expect Meyer to not outright lie? Could he not have said, "I was aware of the 2015 allegations and allowed law enforcement to handle that situation in a way they saw fit, but I and the University did not feel the need to intervene"?

If you, or I, or anyone is aware of someone being abused (or allegedly abused), publicly or private, we have a moral and ethical responsibility to address the matter. Meyer did not. Regardless of whether Meyer was genuinely concerned about Smith's wife and was unsure of the truth value of the allegations, Meye (and his wife, given that she's an OSU employee) had a responsibility both ethically and legally (via Title IX) to report those allegations. Given that Meyer was aware of the previous abuse that Smith had committed in 2009 he should have been on top of the 2015 situation immediately, and unfortunately was not.

That's why Meyer is being (rightfully) vilified.

I’m hardly stating that Meyer is in the right here, but rather trying to keep things in perspective. I understand that we have a difference of opinions, and I clearly get where you’re coming from. I just don’t want to live in a world where someone who may or may not have been aware of something in someone else’s marriage should be responsible for that person. As you mentioned, Meyer should not have lied, so we’re in agreement on that.

Again—I understand what Meyer did and I agree that it was wrong. I’m fully expecting him to be fired for his faults. That said, let’s focus on the real blame here, which is the assistant coach who actually committed the act, and was fired. I just don’t believe in finding the “name” in this story and making him out to be the guy who is somehow going to be tied to domestic violence for the rest of his life. To me, that’s kind of lame.

As far as whose colors you wear, I couldn’t possibly care less. I never once assumed that you were a fan of any school. In terms of my “moral compass,” I appreciate the advice, but it does not pertain to me or my situation. I would never even consider getting in my wife’s personal space, let alone actually putting hands on her. I am simply quoting something that I learned in my studies while pursuing my graduate degree, and that is that :

“Between 77-81% of women have experienced domestic violence at least once by the same intimate partner”—-National Domestic Violence Hotline (NDVH)

Edit: in regards to repeat offender scumbags

 

[TB_Helmet]

I am simply quoting something that I learned in my studies while pursuing my graduate degree, and that is that :

“Between 77-81% of women have experienced domestic violence at least once by the same intimate partner”—-National Domestic Violence Hotline (NDVH)

Seems pretty high. Link to the source of this stat?

 

[supafly]

Seems pretty high. Link to the source of this stat?

Well, I already gave credit to the source, which is the National Domestic Violence Hotline, but let me see if I can come up with an alternate source/article.

 

[supafly]

Well, I already gave credit to the source, which is the National Domestic Violence Hotline, but let me see if I can come up with an alternate source/article.

Statistics - The National Domestic Violence Hotline

AND

46 Appalling Domestic Abuse Statistics (#16)

Ages 18-49

 

[TB_Helmet]

Statistics - The National Domestic Violence Hotline

AND

46 Appalling Domestic Abuse Statistics (#16)

Ages 18-49

Thanks. That first link says that the 77-81% number you used is specifically for repeat offenders. That's in contrast to the other point that says 'only' 29% of women have experienced domestic violence from a 'partner'. My guess is that the number of women being abused by their husbands is lower than 29%; certainly not in the 'majority of marriages' as you stated above. Not trying to call you out but let's be tight with the numbers here.

 

[supafly]

Thanks. That first link says that the 77-81% number you used is specifically for repeat offenders. That's in contrast to the other point that says 'only' 29% of women have experienced domestic violence from a 'partner'. My guess is that the number of women being abused by their husbands is lower than 29%; certainly not in the 'majority of marriages' as you stated above. Not trying to call you out but let's be tight with the numbers here.

Fair enough, although since we were talking about the OSU case where separate instances (supposedly) occurred, I figured that it was worth noting, but if 1/3—1/4 women in general have been the victims of “serious” domestic violence incidents, then it stands to reason that the majority have likely been victims of something that may be considered “less serious.”

Not sure what the criteria is, but I would expect the overall number to be much higher than the 29% that you’ve stated. Again, just my two cents. I could be wrong. I’m just giving my opinion. At any rate, I will attempt to edit my previous post to make it clear for the next reader.

 

[TB_Helmet]

Fair enough, although since we were talking about the OSU case where separate instances (supposedly) occurred, I figured that it was worth noting, but if 1/3—1/4 women in general have been the victims of “serious” domestic violence incidents, then it stands to reason that the majority have likely been victims of something that may be considered “less serious.”

Not sure what the criteria is, but I would expect the overall number to be much higher than the 29% that you’ve stated. Again, just my two cents. I could be wrong. I’m just giving my opinion. At any rate, I will attempt to edit my previous post to make it clear for the next reader.

Right on...I guess we’ll see how the OP story plays out. Not a great past few years for the Big 10...

 

[DarrylS]

Jim Jordan and now Urban Meyer... with high positions and power comes great responsibilities..

 

[supafly]

I hate wife beaters and people who mentally or physically try and bully others in any form, but I don’t like the idea that all of their friends and family knew and now we’re going to tarnish another family’s name who had nothing to do with it, because they chose to keep it to themselves and trust in the process of two grown adults in a marriage attempting to work on their problems. Now, Meyer’s wife will be forced to step down from her nursing job on campus, and Meyer will have so much controversy surrounding him that no one else will want to even consider him for a job. I understand that he may have lied when asked about knowing anything about it and that is wrong, but I don’t agree with the idea that minding one’s business should ruin their career(s) and tarnish their legacies or hard work. He didn’t lie to further his own selfish interests, he lied to protect those involved in some drama that they all drummed up. It just seems like the blame is being shifted to the wrong area because they are well known public figures and that OSU is a major institution, that’s all.

At some point grown adults need to take a little responsibility for their actions, and lots of other people are to blame before we get anywhere near the Meyer family. That said, he should’ve learned from the last ridiculous scandal there and immediately reported it. Forget allowing the process to play out. Forget giving privacy to the Smith’s and their dumb ass drama. Forget his wife’s friendship to Courtney. In that sense, his actions were not just irresponsible, but downright stupid.

 

[DarrylS]

I hate wife beaters and people who mentally or physically try and bully others in any form, but I don’t like the idea that all of their friends and family knew and now we’re going to tarnish another family’s name who had nothing to do with it, because they chose to keep it to themselves and trust in the process of two grown adults in a marriage attempting to work on their problems. Now, Meyer’s wife will be forced to step down from her nursing job on campus, and Meyer will have so much controversy surrounding him that no one else will want to even consider him for a job. I understand that he may have lied when asked about knowing anything about it and that is wrong, but I don’t agree with the idea that minding one’s business should ruin their career(s) and tarnish their legacies or hard work. He didn’t lie to further his own selfish interests, he lied to protect those involved in some drama that they all drummed up. It just seems like the blame is being shifted to the wrong area because they are well known public figures and that OSU is a major institution, that’s all.

At some point grown adults need to take a little responsibility for their actions, and lots of other people are to blame before we get anywhere near the Meyer family. That said, he should’ve learned from the last ridiculous scandal there and immediately reported it. Forget allowing the process to play out. Forget giving privacy to the Smith’s and their dumb ass drama. Forget his wife’s friendship to Courtney. In that sense, his actions were not just irresponsible, but downright stupid.

There has been a trend in American men that has to do with difficulty taking responsibility for these types of actions, even more disturbing is a subtle wave of excusing the behavior due to some previously undiagnosed form of illness, i.e. recently have come to find out some vague acquaintances have f... ed up with squandering money, smoking too much dope or chasing women, and the defense was some sort of late onset ADD or OCD... my response to these men is simple somehow they navigate life and various professions for 60+ years now they have "late onset ADD or OCD"????

When I was younger often heard that 40 year old men need to venture out to plow fertile ground to prove their "virility" or the fabled " 7 year itch" all of this crap are just lymp dycked excuses for whoring around..

It is simple either you lead by example and do the right thing or not, if you chose the second option take responsibility for your actions..

 

[supafly]

There has been a trend in American men that has to do with difficulty taking responsibility for these types of actions, even more disturbing is a subtle wave of excusing the behavior due to some previously undiagnosed form of illness, i.e. recently have come to find out some vague acquaintances have f... ed up with squandering money, smoking too much dope or chasing women, and the defense was some sort of late onset ADD or OCD... my response to these men is simple somehow they navigate life and various professions for 60+ years now they have "late onset ADD or OCD"????

I swear, your chances of getting diagnosed with ADHD has to be fairly high, these days. Especially if you end up seeing more than one practitioner at any point in your life. They throw that around like it’s nothing, anymore. I’m surprised that speed (adderall and other meds) haven’t taken over as the new drug problem, yet. It’s ridiculous.

 

[RobertWeathers]

If that’s the case, let me be the first to offer Dan Mullen a ride to the airport. Doubtful, however, that Meyer would come back to Florida. Not with how he left. Notre Dame would probably be very interested.

ND would be very interested in Meyer. If they were smart...

 

[Kontradiction]

ND would be very interested in Meyer. If they were smart...

Agreed but given the character of some of his football players at both Florida and OSU, they’d more than likely have to be willing to toss some of their values out the window.

 

[Triumph]

Jim Jordan and now Urban Meyer... with high positions and power comes great responsibilities..

Just ask Bill J Clinton out roaming free.

 

[Triumph]

ND would be very interested in Meyer. If they were smart...

Lets go out and win one for Urban.