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OT: The Case for Eliot Wolf to be Elevated to General Manager in Front Office

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DropKickFlutie

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We have a talented front office consultant where it seems to make sense to elevate him into at least what Nick Caserio was doing, if there is a concern that he's too young to be outright GM:

1. Eliot Wolf consulted for the Pats last year, was Assistant GM on the recent Browns revival, and Director of Football Operations in Green Bay. He's the son of Ron Wolf, the legendary GM who built the Marcus Allen Raiders and then the Brett Favre Packers. Remember when we got Belichick who grew up around Steve Belichick's teachings? We have a guy who has a lot of lifelong knowledge about being a GM, scouting, and drafting in Wolf. Could be like a Belichick on the GM side.

2. Eliot Wolf joined Jan'20, and our 2020 draft is one of the best since 2012. Onwenu, Dugger, Uche and others, we have multiple guys who could become long term foundational players for the team. When Wolf was in Cleveland the 2 years prior they found major guys like Chubb, Williams, Mayfield, and Ward. Before that he was part of a long-winning Packers organization.

3. We had good drafts from 2009-2012 when Reese and O'Brien were here. Then Crappy drafts from 2013-2019 with the John Carroll d3 cabal of McDaniels back, Caserio, Ziegler giving bad opinions to Belichick and having Patriot scout opinions overridden by these bad talent evaluators. McDaniels is the same guy who drafted Tebow in the first round, said NKeal Harry aced his Foxboro workout, pushed for Laurence Maroney and Chad Jackson. The 2020 draft is looking decent where in a big coincidence the one new add to the front office was Eliot Wolf.

I think the Patriots, assuming they were and are smart, knew Caserio might leave and brought in Wolf as insurance. Well it's time to make a play on this and keep Wolf long-term on the Patriots.


 
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DropKickFlutie

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Eliot Wolf joined Jan'20 and the 2020 draft class was it's best since 2012. Here is an article showing how crappy (5th-worst in the entire league) the Patriot drafts were the 5 prior years before 2020, with the John Carroll dimwits (McDaniels, Ziegler, Caserio) whispering disastrous opinions into Belichick's ear.

 

DropKickFlutie

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Why are we to assume that his role as a consultant grants him any clout/decision-making ability in terms of draft picks?

Reese was also a 'consultant'. In the nba Jerry West has been a 'consultant' that built Golden State and now the Clippers. The opinions make a big difference. Especially when without those voices all we have are the 3 John Carroll stooges talking to Belichick.

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signbabybrady

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Serious question but does any other fan base actually worry about who is second in command to the GM?

I find it laughable when people act like BB listens to no one. First it's his job to make the decisions and everyone else job to gather information for him to make the decisions. Second there's little evidence that he doesn't listen and infact it's probably quite the opposite I don't really know how all the scouting and what not is delegated but in watching him with his coordinators through the years he seems to trust the guys he puts in place to Do Their Jobs.
 

Triumph

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Saying that the 2020 draft was the best in years is not really high praise since the previous drafts set a very low bar. Remember, Rohrwasser, Asiasi and Keene were also chosen and there is a real possibility all three will be gone.
Jennings was ok.

Uche missed almost 50% of the season. I suppose his 9 tackles mattered.
 

Steve:Section 102

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We do need new voices in the front office for sure, but unless BB starts letting other voices into his ears, its going to be the same thing over and over again.
I'd bring back RAC and Romeo. We know they will stand him up. Whoever they put in that position has to 1) know his chit and 2) be able to stand up to the legend that is Bill Belichick. Is Bill going to listen to a young guy over the likes of Greg Schiano, Nick Saban or whoever else is in the college ranks he respects?
 

signbabybrady

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Funny. but you have no idea what really went into that choice. Yes it's been reported some in the front office wanted Brown or Samuel and even if that's true it doesn't say they thought Harry was a bust they all could have still thought very highly of Harry and likely did.
 

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Does somebody always deserve credit when a draft pick is successful, or blame when it isn't? I don't think we can just ignore the massive amount of luck and randomness that goes into this. For example, Belichick admitted that they saw Onwenu as a backup guard, and that it was basically luck that they got a high quality tackle. A few years ago, the Cardinals were on the phone to pick Ameer Abdullah at 55, but had to settle for David Johnson at 86 because Abdullah was taken at 54. The Ravens risked losing Lamar Jackson because they absolutely needed to pick Hayden Hurst first.

That makes things complicated enough. So after all that is done, I'm not sure how you then divvy up the appropriate amount of credit to individual members of the scouting staff.


On a more specific note, this thread is basically a copy of the O'Shea OC thread. They're both fine candidates for promotions based on what they did prior to 2020. We don't need to assume that they were both secretly super important in 2020 beyond what we know their job titles were. It's becoming apparent that this isn't really about O'Shea and Wolf, but about puffing up their resumes as much as possible in order to get rid of the guys you don't want around.
 

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I'd bring back RAC and Romeo. We know they will stand him up. Whoever they put in that position has to 1) know his chit and 2) be able to stand up to the legend that is Bill Belichick. Is Bill going to listen to a young guy over the likes of Greg Schiano, Nick Saban or whoever else is in the college ranks he respects?

BB doesn't surround himself with sycophants.
 

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Dunno.... the next "GM Lite" will have to work well with BB and the Krafts.

At the end of the day, it's BB's call....and all those drafts/FA signings are the sole responsibility of BB...the buck stops at BB (shrugs).
 

DropKickFlutie

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It's not a coincidence we drafted well from 2001-2004 and from 2009-2012. And had horrible drafts from 2005-2009 and 2012-2019.

Belichick is the main decision maker but he can't physically scout 500 college players over 5000 hours. He literally uses what the staff player evaluation reports say and what his coaches say about the player workouts, to make the decision available to him. So Belichick makes good decisions when he's around good staff (Reese, O'Brien, Scar, Pioli, Weiss) and our drought from 2012-2019 was because we had horrible offensive staff saying a 2nd rounder for Sanu was a good idea, or a 1st rounder for NKeal Harry was a good idea.

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VrabelJr

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Does somebody always deserve credit when a draft pick is successful, or blame when it isn't? I don't think we can just ignore the massive amount of luck and randomness that goes into this. For example, Belichick admitted that they saw Onwenu as a backup guard, and that it was basically luck that they got a high quality tackle. A few years ago, the Cardinals were on the phone to pick Ameer Abdullah at 55, but had to settle for David Johnson at 86 because Abdullah was taken at 54. The Ravens risked losing Lamar Jackson because they absolutely needed to pick Hayden Hurst first.

That makes things complicated enough. So after all that is done, I'm not sure how you then divvy up the appropriate amount of credit to individual members of the scouting staff.


On a more specific note, this thread is basically a copy of the O'Shea OC thread. They're both fine candidates for promotions based on what they did prior to 2020. We don't need to assume that they were both secretly super important in 2020 beyond what we know their job titles were. It's becoming apparent that this isn't really about O'Shea and Wolf, but about puffing up their resumes as much as possible in order to get rid of the guys you don't want around.

Take your logic and reason somewhere else. It doesn’t belong in a thread about BB’s draft picks.
 

DropKickFlutie

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Does somebody always deserve credit when a draft pick is successful, or blame when it isn't? I don't think we can just ignore the massive amount of luck and randomness that goes into this. For example, Belichick admitted that they saw Onwenu as a backup guard, and that it was basically luck that they got a high quality tackle. A few years ago, the Cardinals were on the phone to pick Ameer Abdullah at 55, but had to settle for David Johnson at 86 because Abdullah was taken at 54. The Ravens risked losing Lamar Jackson because they absolutely needed to pick Hayden Hurst first.

That makes things complicated enough. So after all that is done, I'm not sure how you then divvy up the appropriate amount of credit to individual members of the scouting staff.


On a more specific note, this thread is basically a copy of the O'Shea OC thread. They're both fine candidates for promotions based on what they did prior to 2020. We don't need to assume that they were both secretly super important in 2020 beyond what we know their job titles were. It's becoming apparent that this isn't really about O'Shea and Wolf, but about puffing up their resumes as much as possible in order to get rid of the guys you don't want around.

So what if they under-projected Onwenu's upside? They saw the kid's potential to pick him. They also took a flyer on Tom Brady, nobody absolutely nobody thought he was going to become the GOAT. Point is the evals and judgement calls, for whatever reason we were one of the worst drafting teams from 2012-2019 and it's time for a major shake-up in the front office and also at offensive coordinator.
 
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