OT: T. Pryor and Browns discussing contract extension.

[ViperGTS]

Report: Browns, Pryor discussing contract extension

Why, oh why even entertain this? I will never understand. Ever. Hope he doesn't go through with it, not that he would end up here, but somewhere that can actually compete.

 

[TBR]

Terrelle Pryor works out for New England Patriots



Almost had him.

 

[ausbacker]

Report: Browns, Pryor discussing contract extension

Why, oh why even entertain this? I will never understand. Ever. Hope he doesn't go through with it, not that he would end up here, but somewhere that can actually compete.

Part of me hopes Josh Gordon can rebuild his health and get back to playing good football. Given I have disdain for the Bengals, Ravens, and Steelers, a competitive Browns outfit knocking the **** out of all three would be fantastic.

 

[AHoodieWorshipperInParis]

While this kid is an exciting player and he certainly would have thrived in New England, i'm not convinced of the added value he would have brought in our offense comparing to Chris Hogan + Malcolm Mitchell, let alone the money he will command in 2017 (probably north of 8M$/year vs. 5M$ cap hit for Hogan (2 years remaining then) + Mitchell (3 years remaining) ). In Cleveland, he's litterally the one-man orchestra of their depleted offense, but considering the more limited role he would have played in our offense (primarily a deepthreat), the Yards/reception comparison (21.2 for a 4M AAVG Chris Hogan Vs. 12.5 for a soon-to-be 8-10M Terrelle Pryor) makes me feel pretty happy with what we get in Chris Hogan.

By the way, Chris is on pace for a 733 yard / 35 reception season (825/39 if we eliminate the irrelevant week 4 game, and 1045 yards based on the 2 games with Brady back under center) which is great for a #4-5 receiving option sharing the crumbs of the "TE Party" feast with the receiving RBs (White, Foster, hopefully Lewis soon) and the other WRs (Edelman, Amendola, Mitchell).

 

[convertedpatsfan]

Terrelle Pryor works out for New England Patriots



Almost had him.

A lot of people have pointed this out, but I still don't think it means it would have worked out the same way.

Bad teams can afford to gamble. They can let prospects and fringe guys play lots more and try to salvage something out of them. Teams contending for Super Bowls cannot unless out of desperation.

Brown caught 1 pass last year. 1. That wouldn't have helped us at all. And that's assuming he got on the field.

For a terrible Browns team, he can play lots. He got to play 16 snaps (over 20% of the offensive snaps) in a win against the 49ers. The next week, he gets to play 15 more in a brutal loss to the Seahawks. In his last game of the season, he plays almost the entire game (72% of the snaps) and catches 1 pass for 42 yards on 6 targets.

For the season, he has 3 games, 1 catch, 42 yards, 8 targets, 1 rush for -1 yard.

But Cleveland doesn't care. They're playing for the future. We're fighting for the #1 seed and a potential Super Bowl run. You can't give 91 snaps to some inexperienced player making a position switch in the middle of all of that.

Those snaps were a crucial part of his development, but he wouldn't have gotten them here. In a parallel universe, we do sign him, he doesn't know the offense, doesn't even know how to play the position, gets cut, and never develops.

He's a wonderful talent and I'm happy to see him doing well. But there's a really good chance he never would have succeeded here even if he had signed based on the totally different states of the two franchises.

 

[OhExaulted1]

A long term contract with the factory of sadness? Good luck with that pal.

 

[Froob]

A lot of people have pointed this out, but I still don't think it means it would have worked out the same way.

Bad teams can afford to gamble. They can let prospects and fringe guys play lots more and try to salvage something out of them. Teams contending for Super Bowls cannot unless out of desperation.

Brown caught 1 pass last year. 1. That wouldn't have helped us at all. And that's assuming he got on the field.

For a terrible Browns team, he can play lots. He got to play 16 snaps (over 20% of the offensive snaps) in a win against the 49ers. The next week, he gets to play 15 more in a brutal loss to the Seahawks. In his last game of the season, he plays almost the entire game (72% of the snaps) and catches 1 pass for 42 yards on 6 targets.

For the season, he has 3 games, 1 catch, 42 yards, 8 targets, 1 rush for -1 yard.

But Cleveland doesn't care. They're playing for the future. We're fighting for the #1 seed and a potential Super Bowl run. You can't give 91 snaps to some inexperienced player making a position switch in the middle of all of that.

Those snaps were a crucial part of his development, but he wouldn't have gotten them here. In a parallel universe, we do sign him, he doesn't know the offense, doesn't even know how to play the position, gets cut, and never develops.

He's a wonderful talent and I'm happy to see him doing well. But there's a really good chance he never would have succeeded here even if he had signed based on the totally different states of the two franchises.

Mike Lombardi said himself the team really dropped the ball not getting him.

 

[convertedpatsfan]

Mike Lombardi said himself the team really dropped the ball not getting him.

Mike Lombardi also drafted Barkevious Mingo 6th overall. He's a heck of a talent evaluator, but nobody is perfect or infallible.

If we signed him and he caught 1 pass out of 8 on the season, he would not be back.

 

[Froob]

Mike Lombardi also drafted Barkevious Mingo 6th overall. He's a heck of a talent evaluator, but nobody is perfect or infallible.

If we signed him and he caught 1 pass out of 8 on the season, he would not be back.

True, I'd have to think Pryor would have a pretty good chance of picking up this offense as a former QB since the Pats system requires recievers to see the field kinda like a QB.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

Report: Browns, Pryor discussing contract extension

Why, oh why even entertain this? I will never understand. Ever. Hope he doesn't go through with it, not that he would end up here, but somewhere that can actually compete.

The guy was unemployed, never made big time money, and lucky to get one more shot in the NFL. I don't blame him for looking for an immediate payday to set up the rest of his life. It's exactly what Dion Lewis did, and turned out to be an extremely smart move on his part given what happened a few weeks later.

 

[Dagg]

Bad move IMO they need to not overpay look at what Rams gave Tavon Austin that was a horrible deal based on how he performs but they really didnt have anyone else.

 

[chasa]

Report: Browns, Pryor discussing contract extension

Why, oh why even entertain this? I will never understand. Ever. Hope he doesn't go through with it, not that he would end up here, but somewhere that can actually compete.

why would he entertain it? Because the browns gave him a chance. its called loyalty. the same thing we talk about when players leave the patriots for more money. Good for him, get the money you want and play for the team that you know had faith in you as a player.

 

[Ring 6]

Mike Lombardi said himself the team really dropped the ball not getting him.

Mike Lombardi should never be used as an appeal to authority.

 

[NG Pats Fan]

Has Malcolm Mitchell done anything this season?

 

[DaBruinz]

A lot of people have pointed this out, but I still don't think it means it would have worked out the same way.

Bad teams can afford to gamble. They can let prospects and fringe guys play lots more and try to salvage something out of them. Teams contending for Super Bowls cannot unless out of desperation.

Brown caught 1 pass last year. 1. That wouldn't have helped us at all. And that's assuming he got on the field.

For a terrible Browns team, he can play lots. He got to play 16 snaps (over 20% of the offensive snaps) in a win against the 49ers. The next week, he gets to play 15 more in a brutal loss to the Seahawks. In his last game of the season, he plays almost the entire game (72% of the snaps) and catches 1 pass for 42 yards on 6 targets.

For the season, he has 3 games, 1 catch, 42 yards, 8 targets, 1 rush for -1 yard.

But Cleveland doesn't care. They're playing for the future. We're fighting for the #1 seed and a potential Super Bowl run. You can't give 91 snaps to some inexperienced player making a position switch in the middle of all of that.

Those snaps were a crucial part of his development, but he wouldn't have gotten them here. In a parallel universe, we do sign him, he doesn't know the offense, doesn't even know how to play the position, gets cut, and never develops.

He's a wonderful talent and I'm happy to see him doing well. But there's a really good chance he never would have succeeded here even if he had signed based on the totally different states of the two franchises.

I think you meant to say Pryor. And what you fail to acknowledge is that he was making the transition from QB to WR last year.

While you are so quick to point out that it may not have worked out, the Patriots already have experience with converting a QB to WR in Edelman. Furthermore, I would contend that the Patriots tend to be in a much better position to "gamble" and coach up a player by having him on the team than the Browns because they aren't relying on that player to be productive initially.

I'll be honest.. I think that Pryor would be smart NOT to sign an extension and to test the open market since he'd proven he can play the position.

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[EddardSnow67]

Pryor is a solid player, big bodied and fast for his size, but he doesn't really have that extra gear or the upper body strength to create separation the way a guy like Calvin Johnson did. He's more of a possession receiver who has enough speed to occasionally stretch the field, but he's not a guy who will get crazy separation. He has the height and length to go up after the ball and does a really good job getting to it at a highpoint. He's a really good red zone target.

When watching his highlights, I think teams are kind of in between as to how to handle him. Teams have played a lot of loose coverage - respecting his combine numbers, which he doesn't come close to matching on the field in terms of speed - but when he's pressed, he struggles. Still learning how to beat press coverage.

I think he could be a really solid every down receiver, which I think right now is his best value. He's a solid blocker outside of having to improve his upper body strength. The fact that you never have to take him off the field is probably the best thing about him right now.

 

[TBR]

A lot of people have pointed this out, but I still don't think it means it would have worked out the same way.

Bad teams can afford to gamble. They can let prospects and fringe guys play lots more and try to salvage something out of them. Teams contending for Super Bowls cannot unless out of desperation.

Brown caught 1 pass last year. 1. That wouldn't have helped us at all. And that's assuming he got on the field.

For a terrible Browns team, he can play lots. He got to play 16 snaps (over 20% of the offensive snaps) in a win against the 49ers. The next week, he gets to play 15 more in a brutal loss to the Seahawks. In his last game of the season, he plays almost the entire game (72% of the snaps) and catches 1 pass for 42 yards on 6 targets.

For the season, he has 3 games, 1 catch, 42 yards, 8 targets, 1 rush for -1 yard.

But Cleveland doesn't care. They're playing for the future. We're fighting for the #1 seed and a potential Super Bowl run. You can't give 91 snaps to some inexperienced player making a position switch in the middle of all of that.

Those snaps were a crucial part of his development, but he wouldn't have gotten them here. In a parallel universe, we do sign him, he doesn't know the offense, doesn't even know how to play the position, gets cut, and never develops.

He's a wonderful talent and I'm happy to see him doing well. But there's a really good chance he never would have succeeded here even if he had signed based on the totally different states of the two franchises.

Agreed, good point(s). Although I think things might have turned out a bit differently if he was signed in the off-season. That way he could've shown off throughout training camp and pre-season. The timing just didn't work when they had him in mid-season last year.

 

[bbobbo]

Has Malcolm Mitchell done anything this season?

 

[convertedpatsfan]

True, I'd have to think Pryor would have a pretty good chance of picking up this offense as a former QB since the Pats system requires recievers to see the field kinda like a QB.

I think you meant to say Pryor. And what you fail to acknowledge is that he was making the transition from QB to WR last year.

While you are so quick to point out that it may not have worked out, the Patriots already have experience with converting a QB to WR in Edelman. Furthermore, I would contend that the Patriots tend to be in a much better position to "gamble" and coach up a player by having him on the team than the Browns because they aren't relying on that player to be productive initially.

I'll be honest.. I think that Pryor would be smart NOT to sign an extension and to test the open market since he'd proven he can play the position.

As

Yes, sorry, meant Pryor. Should never respond before my second cup of coffee.

And yes, the Patriots had success converting Jules from QB to WR. Actually also to DB. But it took years of practice and behind-the-scenes tutelage to get there. He showed some potential his rookie season, but wouldn't emerge until year 5.

And I disagree that we were in a position to gamble. Maybe at the beginning of the year, but certainly not when Pryor came in for the work-out. We needed a WR. LaFell was out to start the season, and eventually Jules would get hurt too, as would Amendola. We couldn't afford to let some QB learn on the job.

And a big part of Pryor's development happened this offseason, when he got to work out with Randy Moss and Josh McCown. He also started training camp as a starting WR, getting valuable reps with the 1s throughout camp whether he deserved it or not. Admittedly, he probably would have gotten similar reps here due to the injuries to Jules and Dola, but there is no way you could have predicted that last September when he was here.

I admit that we'll never know, and maybe he would have worked out here. But he certainly didn't do much last season, and a lot of his growth was dependent on this offseason and training camp, opportunities he wouldn't necessarily have had if he had signed with the Patriots last season. He got more opportunities with the Browns though, and that can't be overlooked in his emergence this year.

 

[Froob]

Yes, sorry, meant Pryor. Should never respond before my second cup of coffee.

And yes, the Patriots had success converting Jules from QB to WR. Actually also to DB. But it took years of practice and behind-the-scenes tutelage to get there. He showed some potential his rookie season, but wouldn't emerge until year 5.

And I disagree that we were in a position to gamble. Maybe at the beginning of the year, but certainly not when Pryor came in for the work-out. We needed a WR. LaFell was out to start the season, and eventually Jules would get hurt too, as would Amendola. We couldn't afford to let some QB learn on the job.

And a big part of Pryor's development happened this offseason, when he got to work out with Randy Moss and Josh McCown. He also started training camp as a starting WR, getting valuable reps with the 1s throughout camp whether he deserved it or not. Admittedly, he probably would have gotten similar reps here due to the injuries to Jules and Dola, but there is no way you could have predicted that last September when he was here.

I admit that we'll never know, and maybe he would have worked out here. But he certainly didn't do much last season, and a lot of his growth was dependent on this offseason and training camp, opportunities he wouldn't necessarily have had if he had signed with the Patriots last season. He got more opportunities with the Browns though, and that can't be overlooked in his emergence this year.

Not like we're lacking wide outs anyways. Hoges was a big pickup. Although he'll probably never be acknowledged as anything but a slot wide out because he's white haha.