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They have no QB. They are not winning anything with Ben anymore.
He has two brothers playing there.

WEEI just noted that the betting has Pitt as the favorite, with the two Bays coming in after that.
 
He has two brothers playing there.

WEEI just noted that the betting has Pitt as the favorite, with the two Bays coming in after that.

Steelers are 30 million over the cap. They have some work to do. That doesn’t include the rookie spending. Idk how they do it. They’re likely losing dupree and juju.
 
He has two brothers playing there.

WEEI just noted that the betting has Pitt as the favorite, with the two Bays coming in after that.
I forgot about his brothers. I would still think winning a ring would be more important to him but you never know. Glad he gets to get out of the sinking pit that is Houston.
 
PFF Top 100 Free Agents

Edge Rushers (13)
14. Shaq Barrett (74.7)

27. Carl Lawson (76.3)
29. Jadeveon Clowney (74.9)
45. Yannick Ngakoue (69.2)
54. Melvin Ingram (72.3)
55. Bud Dupree (60.2)
58. Leonard Floyd (69.5)
59. Trey Hendrickson (70.9)
73. Matthew Judon (66.0)
74. Aldon Smith (66.3)
87. Haason Reddick (72.8)
93. Takkarist McKinley (69.6)
95. Romeo Okwara (69.5)

Wide Receivers (17)
2. Chris Godwin (75.5)
3. Allen Robinson (88.3)
4. Kenny Golladay (81.6)
11. Will Fuller (86.2)
23. JuJu Smith-Schuster (70.0)
24. Corey Davis (85.3)
30. Antonio Brown (82.2)
38. T.Y. Hilton (75.9)
43. Curtis Samuel (77.0)
47. Marvin Jones (73.6)
60. Nelson Agholor (73.8)
63. Sammy Watkins (64.5)
83. Keelan Cole (64.4)
84. Danny Amendola (74.9)
97. Breshad Perriman (63.1)
100. Rashard Higgins (73.4)

Defensive Tackles (5)
19. Leonard Williams (79.8)
39. Davlin Tomlinson (75.1)
46. Shelby Harris (88.3)
98. Ndamukong Suh (62.4)
99. Sheldon Rankins (63.5)

Linebackers (5)
8. Lavonte David (78.8)
37. Matt Milano (54.5)
53. Jayon Brown (66.4)
65. K.J. Wright (75.7)
94. Denzel Perryman (83.3)

I don't think the Bucs let David leave. He's been with them for 9 years, on a pathetic team, and finally gets to win a SB. He's on the wrong side of 30 too. He'll want to retire a Buc and probably would like a try at a 2nd ring. They'll work it out.

Not so sure about Barrett and Godwin though. Fortunately they have good depth at WR. They can draft a DE with their #32 pick.
 
He has two brothers playing there.

WEEI just noted that the betting has Pitt as the favorite, with the two Bays coming in after that.
Sounds like Steelers need a Center not a DE.
 
I don't think the Bucs let David leave. He's been with them for 9 years, on a pathetic team, and finally gets to win a SB. He's on the wrong side of 30 too. He'll want to retire a Buc and probably would like a try at a 2nd ring. They'll work it out.

Not so sure about Barrett and Godwin though. Fortunately they have good depth at WR. They can draft a DE with their #32 pick.

They wanna keep Godwin. Wouldn’t shock me if the Bucs went out and traded for Beckham if they let Godwin go. His contract is very friendly.
 
They wanna keep Godwin. Wouldn’t shock me if the Bucs went out and traded for Beckham if they let Godwin go. His contract is very friendly.
That was a rumor I heard yesterday. Would be interesting for sure.
 
They wanna keep Godwin. Wouldn’t shock me if the Bucs went out and traded for Beckham if they let Godwin go. His contract is very friendly.
Beckham and AB in the same locker room? Not even BA can keep that locker room chill. Lol
 
Steelers are 30 million over the cap. They have some work to do. That doesn’t include the rookie spending. Idk how they do it. They’re likely losing dupree and juju.
It'll start with the Roethlisberger restructure.
 
It'll start with the Roethlisberger restructure.

That still doesn’t leave them with much because they’re 30 over. The Steelers window is basically close. Ben should retire. I’m sure the steelers want him to retire.
 
Referencing that PFF list above...

Even with TB's goal to keep the team together for a few years, I struggle with the idea that signing Godwin and/or Barrett seems to violate everything we've seen about favorable free agency approaches. I do like that they're known players and therefore don't have the the culture/system misfit risk, but even still...

Chris Godwin.
Unless Brady feels that Godwin is truly that special, it makes little sense to pay him market. His PFF grade from about 90+ in 2019 to 75. I love him as a player but don't see this as a good move at all. He'll be likely be one of the few (top shelf) players who likely won't have a depresed market due to the cap, while there are so many other options likely to be bargains or willing to do prove it deals to play with Brady and compete. But also, they have so many good skill players: Evans, Brown, Gronkowski, Brate, Howard, and two very promising young players in Miller and Johnson. Pass. I think that finding a James White type (perhaps White himself if still has gas in the tank) would greatly reduce the net effect of losing Godwin...and it would cost pennies on the dollar.

Antonio Brown.

I think there's a fairly good chance he's as good as Godwin overall in 2021, though it's apparent he is on the downside of his career at his age. If he can be an 800-yard, 6 TD player, as he was on pace for in 2020, seems like a no brainer as a lower cost option than Godwin. The question is how big the market will be with Brown, and the range is pretty wide. This is probably his last big free agency chance, and I imagine that Tampa Bay will have some contract language that won't be as lax as other teams, since they don't need him as much as other teams. Re-Sign (provided the contract contains offset language and the annual salary isn't crazy.)

Rob Gronkowski.

I think it's obvious he'll be back, but I do wonder if they'll wait to sign him after training camp or even beyond the start of the season. There's just not much point in playing him in games that don't matter because he'll cost a lot but won't be asked to use the skills you're paying for. Re-Sign (maybe $5M for half a season.)

Shaq Barrett.

This might be an annoying repeat here, but I think the list of options reinforces my argument against him. In addition to sack totals and pressures often being more about the scheme (Tampa's elite interior d-line and historically good run defense), I just think there are plenty of other guys out there who, if you give them a year in Tampa Bay, could be as good or almost as good as Barrett. A lot of these guys have the same measurables and have similar careers outside of Barrett's outlier 2019 season. Pass (and sign a middle-upper class edge rusher offering better value.)

Ndamukong Suh.

There just aren't many guys who can do what Suh does as evidenced by such a short list, and I think his role was highly underrated this year. Even without Vea, Tampa Bay still had a league leading run defense. I just don't see a humungous market developing for a guy his age, but I think they should be aggresive within reason. If not, other guys on the list might be of interest too. Re-Sign (or sign another high end defensive tackle).

Lavonte David.
@venecol
I think Tampa Bay's achilles heel is the potential loss of either David or White; they are both so fast and unique players who help the pass rush and shut down thoses screens and dumpoffs. This is a position that's always undervalued by the market, too. Shoud be a no brainer for whatever it costs. There's no alternative option out there. Re-Sign (at all costs).
 
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Referencing that PFF list above...

Even with TB's goal to keep the team together for a few years, I struggle with the idea that signing Godwin and/or Barrett seems to violate everything we've seen about favorable free agency approaches. I do like that they're known players and therefore don't have the the culture/system misfit risk, but even still...

Chris Godwin.
Unless Brady feels that Godwin is truly that special, it makes little sense to pay him market. His PFF grade from about 90+ in 2019 to 75. I love him as a player but don't see this as a good move at all. He'll be likely be one of the few (top shelf) players who likely won't have a depresed market due to the cap, while there are so many other options likely to be bargains or willing to do prove it deals to play with Brady and compete. But also, they have so many good skill players: Evans, Miller, Brate, Howard, and two very promising young players in Miller and Johnson. Pass. I think that finding a James White type (perhaps White himself if still has gas in the tank) would greatly reduce the net effect of losing Godwin...and it would cost pennies on the dollar.

Antonio Brown.

I think there's a fairly good chance he's as good as Godwin overall in 2021, though it's apparent he is on the downside of his career at his age. If he can be an 800-yard, 6 TD player, as he was on pace for in 2020, seems like a no brainer as a lower cost option than Godwin. The question is how big the market will be with Brown, and the range is pretty wide. This is probably his last big free agency chance, and I imagine that Tampa Bay will have some contract language that won't be as lax as other teams, since they don't need him as much as other teams. Re-Sign (provided the contract contains offset language and the annual salary isn't crazy.)

Rob Gronkowski.

I think it's obvious he'll be back, but I do wonder if they'll wait to sign him after training camp or even beyond the start of the season. There's just not much point in playing him in games that don't matter because he'll cost a lot but won't be asked to use the skills you're paying for.

Shaq Barrett.
This might be an annoying repeat here, but I think the list of options reinforces my argument against him. In addition to sack totals and pressures often being more about the scheme (Tampa's elite interior d-line and historically good run defense), I just think there are plenty of other guys out there who, if you give them a year in Tampa Bay, could be as good or almost as good as Barrett. A lot of these guys have the same measurables and have similar careers outside of Barrett's outlier 2019 season. Pass (and sign a middle-upper class edge rusher offering better value.)

Ndamukong Suh.

There just aren't many guys who can do what Suh does as evidenced by such a short list, and I think his role was highly underrated this year. Even without Vea, Tampa Bay still had a league leading run defense. I just don't see a humungous market developing for a guy his age, but I think they should be aggresive within reason. If not, other guys on the list might be of interest too. Re-Sign (or sign another high end defensive tackle).

Lavonte David.
@venecol
I think Tampa Bay's achilles heel is the potential loss of either David or White; they are both so fast and unique players who help the pass rush and shut down thoses screens and dumpoffs. This is a position that's always undervalued by the market, too. Shoud be a no brainer for whatever it costs. There's no alternative option out there. Re-Sign (at all costs).
Spot on imo.
 
Referencing that PFF list above...

Even with TB's goal to keep the team together for a few years, I struggle with the idea that signing Godwin and/or Barrett seems to violate everything we've seen about favorable free agency approaches. I do like that they're known players and therefore don't have the the culture/system misfit risk, but even still...

Chris Godwin.
Unless Brady feels that Godwin is truly that special, it makes little sense to pay him market. His PFF grade from about 90+ in 2019 to 75. I love him as a player but don't see this as a good move at all. He'll be likely be one of the few (top shelf) players who likely won't have a depresed market due to the cap, while there are so many other options likely to be bargains or willing to do prove it deals to play with Brady and compete. But also, they have so many good skill players: Evans, Miller, Brate, Howard, and two very promising young players in Miller and Johnson. Pass. I think that finding a James White type (perhaps White himself if still has gas in the tank) would greatly reduce the net effect of losing Godwin...and it would cost pennies on the dollar.

Antonio Brown.

I think there's a fairly good chance he's as good as Godwin overall in 2021, though it's apparent he is on the downside of his career at his age. If he can be an 800-yard, 6 TD player, as he was on pace for in 2020, seems like a no brainer as a lower cost option than Godwin. The question is how big the market will be with Brown, and the range is pretty wide. This is probably his last big free agency chance, and I imagine that Tampa Bay will have some contract language that won't be as lax as other teams, since they don't need him as much as other teams. Re-Sign (provided the contract contains offset language and the annual salary isn't crazy.)

Rob Gronkowski.

I think it's obvious he'll be back, but I do wonder if they'll wait to sign him after training camp or even beyond the start of the season. There's just not much point in playing him in games that don't matter because he'll cost a lot but won't be asked to use the skills you're paying for. Re-Sign (maybe $5M for half a season.)

Shaq Barrett.

This might be an annoying repeat here, but I think the list of options reinforces my argument against him. In addition to sack totals and pressures often being more about the scheme (Tampa's elite interior d-line and historically good run defense), I just think there are plenty of other guys out there who, if you give them a year in Tampa Bay, could be as good or almost as good as Barrett. A lot of these guys have the same measurables and have similar careers outside of Barrett's outlier 2019 season. Pass (and sign a middle-upper class edge rusher offering better value.)

Ndamukong Suh.

There just aren't many guys who can do what Suh does as evidenced by such a short list, and I think his role was highly underrated this year. Even without Vea, Tampa Bay still had a league leading run defense. I just don't see a humungous market developing for a guy his age, but I think they should be aggresive within reason. If not, other guys on the list might be of interest too. Re-Sign (or sign another high end defensive tackle).

Lavonte David.
@venecol
I think Tampa Bay's achilles heel is the potential loss of either David or White; they are both so fast and unique players who help the pass rush and shut down thoses screens and dumpoffs. This is a position that's always undervalued by the market, too. Shoud be a no brainer for whatever it costs. There's no alternative option out there. Re-Sign (at all costs).

Wouldn’t shock me if the Bucs look into brandin cooks.
 
I haven't watched him play much at all this year, but how does JJ Watt look as a replacement for Barrett? He certainly has a chance to win a ring there. I just don't know how he would fit or if he'd be effective. Although playing with Vita may help his pressures.
 
Referencing that PFF list above...

Even with TB's goal to keep the team together for a few years, I struggle with the idea that signing Godwin and/or Barrett seems to violate everything we've seen about favorable free agency approaches. I do like that they're known players and therefore don't have the the culture/system misfit risk, but even still...

Chris Godwin.
Unless Brady feels that Godwin is truly that special, it makes little sense to pay him market. His PFF grade from about 90+ in 2019 to 75. I love him as a player but don't see this as a good move at all. He'll be likely be one of the few (top shelf) players who likely won't have a depresed market due to the cap, while there are so many other options likely to be bargains or willing to do prove it deals to play with Brady and compete. But also, they have so many good skill players: Evans, Miller, Brate, Howard, and two very promising young players in Miller and Johnson. Pass. I think that finding a James White type (perhaps White himself if still has gas in the tank) would greatly reduce the net effect of losing Godwin...and it would cost pennies on the dollar.

Antonio Brown.

I think there's a fairly good chance he's as good as Godwin overall in 2021, though it's apparent he is on the downside of his career at his age. If he can be an 800-yard, 6 TD player, as he was on pace for in 2020, seems like a no brainer as a lower cost option than Godwin. The question is how big the market will be with Brown, and the range is pretty wide. This is probably his last big free agency chance, and I imagine that Tampa Bay will have some contract language that won't be as lax as other teams, since they don't need him as much as other teams. Re-Sign (provided the contract contains offset language and the annual salary isn't crazy.)

Rob Gronkowski.

I think it's obvious he'll be back, but I do wonder if they'll wait to sign him after training camp or even beyond the start of the season. There's just not much point in playing him in games that don't matter because he'll cost a lot but won't be asked to use the skills you're paying for. Re-Sign (maybe $5M for half a season.)

Shaq Barrett.

This might be an annoying repeat here, but I think the list of options reinforces my argument against him. In addition to sack totals and pressures often being more about the scheme (Tampa's elite interior d-line and historically good run defense), I just think there are plenty of other guys out there who, if you give them a year in Tampa Bay, could be as good or almost as good as Barrett. A lot of these guys have the same measurables and have similar careers outside of Barrett's outlier 2019 season. Pass (and sign a middle-upper class edge rusher offering better value.)

Ndamukong Suh.

There just aren't many guys who can do what Suh does as evidenced by such a short list, and I think his role was highly underrated this year. Even without Vea, Tampa Bay still had a league leading run defense. I just don't see a humungous market developing for a guy his age, but I think they should be aggresive within reason. If not, other guys on the list might be of interest too. Re-Sign (or sign another high end defensive tackle).

Lavonte David.
@venecol
I think Tampa Bay's achilles heel is the potential loss of either David or White; they are both so fast and unique players who help the pass rush and shut down thoses screens and dumpoffs. This is a position that's always undervalued by the market, too. Shoud be a no brainer for whatever it costs. There's no alternative option out there. Re-Sign (at all costs).

Good post. I’m starting to wonder about Godwin as well. If the guy wants to make 18 million dollars or even 20 goodbye.
 
Wouldn’t shock me if the Bucs look into brandin cooks.
Why? I just don't see them needing a receiver. They have too many receiver options as it is. Now that BA has finally relented on using TEs as receivers and the incorporation of the pass catching rbs out of the backfill, this is the least need of that team. The SB was won with mainly TEs and RBs receptions (69%).
 
Why? I just don't see them needing a receiver. They have too many receiver options as it is. Now that BA has finally relented on using TEs as receivers and the incorporation of the pass catching rbs out of the backfill, this is the least need of that team. The SB was won with mainly TEs and RBs receptions (69%).

True they need to keep brown or Godwin. One of those guys. Also i can see the rookie taking godwin’s Place in the slot. Tyler Johnson.
 
Bucs have these guys under contract for 2021:

Evans WR1
Johnson WR3/4
Miller WR3/4
Watson WR4
Brate TE
Howard TE
Jones RB
Vaughn RB

You add Gronk and AB (WR2) to that list and it's looking pretty good. To me resigning Fournette would be better value than Godwin. He was a total beast in the playoffs. He was RB2 during the season so wasn't allowed to showcase. Although that probably kept him fresh for the playoffs.
 
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I think Godwin is gone. Tyler Johnson will be in year two and is a very similar receiver. He runs mostly the same routes. I doubt they’ll bring Barrett back, too.
 
I think Godwin is gone. Tyler Johnson will be in year two and is a very similar receiver. He runs mostly the same routes. I doubt they’ll bring Barrett back, too.
Do you think JJ would fit, be effective on that D?
 
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